Doctor Strange is such a bad movie, it has so many plotholes

Doctor Strange is such a bad movie, it has so many plotholes.


>>How did Doctor Strange's cape know where the armor thing was?


>>Why was Strange's cape alive?


>>What was the point of Strange learning all that magic if most of the spells he does throughout the movie rely on artifacts anyway? They are making Strange really dumb compared to his comic counter part and really out of character.


>>How long did Strange actually train for?


>>Why was he on the dangerous person list in Winter Soldier if he was just an asshole doctor?


>>Why does he even want to save people if his only tie to the rest of the world is just a girl that doesn't even want to be with him?


>>How did he know the time thing would work on Dormamu? How did he know Dormamu wouldn't be stronger than that?


>>Did all the other disciples that were killed by Dormamu come back to life too? If so why aren't they shown at the end? If not, why not? Wong came back?


>>Why not use the Eye to bring back the Ancient One?


>>How was the Ancient One feeding of Dormamu without being corrupted?


>>Why did she not want people to feed off Dormamu if she could do so safely?


>>Why does the mirror dimension exist?


>>If there are supposedly countless dimensions why do they only go to the mirror one and dark one?


>>Why does Dormamu want to destroy earth? He literally has no motivation?


>>Why does the guy turn on Strange at the end? That was really out of no where and sudden and didn't make any sense.

>>Why didn't any of the other Avengers help when magic bombs were going off?

>>Why didn't the magic people help when aliens invade? Are they just being selfish assholes? If the world gets invaded then they are fucked, they are being really dumb.

>>Why did Wong lie to Strange about knowing Beyonce?
>>Why was the ancient one white, bald, British and calm in the movie instead of asian and mysterious like in the comic? Complete mischaracterization.
>>Why did they completely change Mordo as a character?
>>Why did Deadpool make more money than it?

>Why was Strange's cape alive?
Fucking really?

>Why was Strange's cape alive?
I stopped reading here, fucking seriously?!

they never explain it in the movie, if you say magic then thats headcanon.

Like this user explains

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If its not explicitly shown then its wrong.

>HA I FOUND ONE ARGUMENT I DONT LIKE SO FUCK THE REST OF YOUR LIST

none of these are plotholes

Why did anyone think Mads was a good actor?
Why did anyone think Cum-whatever was a good actor?
Why do these faggoty actors from shitty tween shows like Doctor Who or Sherlock still get jobs?

None of these are plot holes just you baiting, or your that dumb.

they are the same kind of plot holes posted
why are you disagreeing with your fellow marvel fans?

>>>How did Doctor Strange's cape know where the armor thing was?
why wouldn't it know?
>>>Why was Strange's cape alive?
Did you want a Cloak of Levitation origin story in the movie? Also, irrelevant information being left out is not a plothole.
>>>What was the point of Strange learning all that magic if most of the spells he does throughout the movie rely on artifacts anyway?
Because the weapons and shields and astral form etc. don't rely on artifacts and everything that does rely on artifacts still requires knowledge of magic and how to use them
>They are making Strange really dumb compared to his comic counter part and really out of character.
how so?
>>>How long did Strange actually train for?
about a year probably, since he started in 2016 and ended right before Thor:Ragnarok. Once again, that not everything is spelled out all the time is not a plothole.
>>>Why was he on the dangerous person list in Winter Soldier if he was just an asshole doctor?
Because he was a genious asshole doctor
>>>Why does he even want to save people if his only tie to the rest of the world is just a girl that doesn't even want to be with him?
Because he wants fame and money. Also, his sister died and he failed to save her, but that was cut out of the movie, so it doesn't count.
>>>How did he know the time thing would work on Dormamu? How did he know Dormamu wouldn't be stronger than that?
How do you know he knew? Seemed more like an educated guess based on his observations.
>>>Why not use the Eye to bring back the Ancient One?
Because she always died at that point, no matter what. Even the ancient one herself couldn't prevent it. Also, messing with time is too dangerous. And she already lived way longer than she was supposed to anyway thanks to forbidden magic.

On the other thread the Snyderfag say:

>well,for BvS plot to work I have to presume that Gothan and Metropolis law is different on their world, so it is not ilegal to blown the city with rockets, and all characters can ignore what happened.

Being compared to:
>huuuur they never say that it is magic

>They literally call it a magical artifact
>animate cape
>being kept in a room full of magical artifacts
>in a building built on one of the three nexuses of power of Earth
>"where do they ever say that in the movie, tell me"


So for the plot of BvS to work you need to justify bad characterization and stupid behavior by claiming that in that world the justice system is different.

While with Doctor Strange you have to accept that a magical item exist in a location made for magical itens.


Seriously?

It was there observing things for decades if not centuries.
Magic.
To power the artifacts.
Six months.
Because he's a skilled asshole doctor, enough so that if Hydra wanted to kill someone he could get in their way.
Because he's still a doctor, even if he's a douchebag.
He didn't. All he had to go on was conjecture from Dorammu's minions. Strange got insanely lucky and it's pretty clear that trick won't work a second time.
Only the ones in the final battle. They were shown but if you blink you'll miss it.
By not returning to her body she made it clear that she thought it was her time to go and Strange respected that. Or possibly because she was fucking with the dark dimension.
Magic. Conversely who's to say she wasn't?
Same reason why you don't hand a toddler a loaded gun without teaching him gun safety.
Quantum mechanics. All dimensions exist. Also magic.
To save more for the sequels.
He doesn't want to destroy Earth. He wants to add it to his collection.
Because he was a templar rules lawyer bitch. And also because he was butthurt that everyone gets to flout the rules but him. He's literally doing what you're doing right now and going "OH BUT IT'S OKAY WHEN STRANGE DOES IT"
Because the only Avenger that can do shit about magic is Thor and he's off world most of the time.
Yes. Magicians are often selfish assholes. This is hardly news.

So, what were you trying to prove with this post again?

>>>How was the Ancient One feeding of Dormamu without being corrupted?
She wasn't feeding of Dormammu, but she did have a link to the dark dimension. There are presumably ways to draw from the dark dimension safely, but they are super dangerous and complex.
>>>Why did she not want people to feed off Dormamu if she could do so safely?
Because others didn't have her skill and even just one person becoming corrupted would turn out to be a disaster.
>>>Why does the mirror dimension exist?
Why are there spells for protection? Why is there even magic? Why does the real world exist? You want to have a movie about the origin of the mirror dimension?
>>>If there are supposedly countless dimensions why do they only go to the mirror one and dark one?
Because the other ones are not important? Do you want the entire movie to be just dimension hopping to alternate realities with different histories? Also, there were more when the ancient one told Strange to "open his eye"
>>>Why does Dormamu want to destroy earth? He literally has no motivation?
He doesn't. He wants to make it part of his dimension so he has more control over the multiverse and more mindless ones to do his bidding.
>>>Why does the guy turn on Strange at the end? That was really out of no where and sudden and didn't make any sense.
Because he has a dark past and the ancient one was the only reason he bettered himself but then it turned out she was a lying hypocrite who used forbidden magic for her own gains so he didn't want anything to do with this shit anymore.
>>>Why didn't the magic people help when aliens invade? Are they just being selfish assholes? If the world gets invaded then they are fucked, they are being really dumb.
Because there were other important things going on and the Avengers seemed to have it under relative control, probably. If the Avengers were defeated they'd probably interfere.

>>How did Doctor Strange's cape know where the armor thing was?
Because it was alive.
>>Why was Strange's cape alive?
Magic

>>How long did Strange actually train for?
6 months, give or take a few.

>>Why was he on the dangerous person list in Winter Soldier if he was just an asshole doctor?
He was influential, well known and rich. The algorithm is to track anyone who could potentially be dangerous.

>>Why does he even want to save people if his only tie to the rest of the world is just a girl that doesn't even want to be with him?
Originally they included a minor subplot about his sister and her tragic end. Also he wants to be in control.

>>How did he know the time thing would work on Dormamu? How did he know Dormamu wouldn't be stronger than that?
He didn't.

>>Did all the other disciples that were killed by Dormamu come back to life too? If so why aren't they shown at the end? If not, why not? Wong came back?
Yes, the building was reversed.

>>How was the Ancient One feeding of Dormamu without being corrupted?
The entire point was that she had finally embraced her fate.


>>How was the Ancient One feeding of Dormamu without being corrupted?
>>Why did she not want people to feed off Dormamu if she could do so safely?
She wasn't directly feeding Dormammu, she had likely made a deal to sell her soul on her death. She was a hypocrite fueled by fear.

>>Why does Dormamu want to destroy earth? He literally has no motivation?
He is a conquering dick. This has always been his motivation.

>>Why didn't any of the other Avengers help when magic bombs were going off?
The Avengers are in shambles and they don't know dick about mystical stuff. Additionally the destruction of the one that matters, the Hong Kong sanctum, was reversed with presumably know one outside of the sorcerers knowing abut it. We don't know why they didn't help with the Chitauri or more importantly the Dark Eldar.

>why was the cape alive!

Are you confused Matthew? You sound like Confused Matthew

it never fails to impress me what kids today consider plot holes

a plot hole is an inconsistency in the plot itself, even if it is a ridiculous plot.

For example if in scene 1 Doctor Strange memorizes every fact in the universe, but then in scene 10 doesn't know something simple

>why wouldn't it know?
Because they never explain how it knows, thats your headcanon


>Did you want a Cloak of Levitation origin story in the movie? Also, irrelevant information being left out is not a plothole.
But they dont explain it, its a dues ex machina in the form of a cape


>Because the weapons and shields and astral form etc. don't rely on artifacts and everything that does rely on artifacts still requires knowledge of magic and how to use them
But why arent there spells to do what the artifacts do like in the comics? Seems contrived and only there to create fake tension for when people get their sling rings stolen.


>how so?
Because in the comics he doesn't need artifacts to do most of the magic he does. They basically made him a magic cripple.
>about a year probably, since he started in 2016 and ended right before Thor:Ragnarok. Once again, that not everything is spelled out all the time is not a plothole.
Headcanon, and thats not nearly enough time to learn everything he had to learn.


>Because he was a genious asshole doctor
What could a doctor do agains Hydra?
>Because he wants fame and money.
When is that ever said? And he never gets that so he had a shitty motivation. Not very heroic either. Why does Disney make their characters so unlikable? That goes against screenwriting 101, its not good to have unlikable heroes.


>How do you know he knew? Seemed more like an educated guess based on his observations.
Well thats dumb, he just guessed and got lucky? Shitty writing.


>Because she always died at that point, no matter what. Even the ancient one herself couldn't prevent it. Also, messing with time is too dangerous. And she already lived way longer than she was supposed to anyway thanks to forbidden magic.
Thats not confirmed in the movie, headcanon.

they never call the cape a magic artifact in the movie

and Doctor Strange and Iron Man have to change the laws of physics to work....

and we have no idea what happens in BvS with the guards, maybe they do get arrested for having rockets, maybe Lex has special permits to protect his stuff with rockets, but regardless thats not relevant to the story just like the exact origins of the cape aren't relevent to the plot of Strange

>It was there observing things for decades if not centuries.
Thats headcanon, they never explain that in the movie


>Magic.
Also headcanon, never explained.


>To power the artifacts.
Again, never explained, the artifacts aren't introduced until way later in his training.

>Because he's a skilled asshole doctor, enough so that if Hydra wanted to kill someone he could get in their way.
Why? Why does a single doctor pose a threat, they never explain it.

>Because he's still a doctor, even if he's a douchebag.
That didn't answer the question.
>He didn't. All he had to go on was conjecture from Dorammu's minions. Strange got insanely lucky and it's pretty clear that trick won't work a second time.
Thats stupid, why would a character who is a doctor act so irrationally? That is really out of character for him.


>Only the ones in the final battle. They were shown but if you blink you'll miss it.
They weren't shown coming back to life, headcanon
>By not returning to her body she made it clear that she thought it was her time to go and Strange respected that. Or possibly because she was fucking with the dark dimension.
Oh, so no actual explanation, got it.
>Magic. Conversely who's to say she wasn't?
Well they never showed that she wasnt, so headcanon.
>Same reason why you don't hand a toddler a loaded gun without teaching him gun safety.
Then why not teach them to do it?
>Quantum mechanics. All dimensions exist. Also magic.
Never explained, headcanon.


>To save more for the sequels.
So they were acting retarded and out of character for meta reasons?
>He doesn't want to destroy Earth. He wants to add it to his collection.
But why? And they specifically say he wants Earth more than any other for no reason.
>Because the only Avenger that can do shit about magic is Thor and he's off world most of the time.
Anyone could have damaged Mads, and they didn't know it was a magical attack. No reason for Tony not to try and help.

Ah, so that's what this is about.

that guy's an idiot too

now stop baiting

>>Why did Wong lie to Strange about knowing Beyonce?
because he didn't want Strange to be less intimidated by him for it.
>>Why was the ancient one white, bald, British and calm in the movie instead of asian and mysterious like in the comic? Complete mischaracterization.
He was bald in the comic as well. Besides that, they changed it so it's a different ancient one who's Celtic for reasons that are probably political. Being different from the source material, however, is not a plothole
>>Why did they completely change Mordo as a character?
Because he was never really interesting in the comics and if they did the original storyline they would basically end up with what Kaecillius was now, which would waste Stranges arch enemy on a single movie and barely give him any motivation, instead of setting him up for sequels by giving him more of a backstory and a past where he was friendly with Strange.
>>Why did Deadpool make more money than it?
Because people were more hype for Deadpool. How is this a plothole again?

Now days plotholes are shit these mongs arnt told.

It's like every one is taking that scene from futurama as ironic and not the fucking truth.

>You can't just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!

>never call the cape an artifact

I think you should pay attention when you watch movies, it is very obvious if not outright explicitly said

>>What was the point of Strange learning all that magic if most of the spells he does throughout the movie rely on artifacts anyway? They are making Strange really dumb compared to his comic counter part and really out of character.
He is a novice. This is explicitly why he is never referred to as the Sorcerer Supreme. Did you even pay attention during the scene where he puts the eye back.

>>Why does the guy turn on Strange at the end? That was really out of no where and sudden and didn't make any sense.
Because Strange, the Ancient One and by extension the rest of KhamarTag had broken the natural laws that he believes should be upheld.

>>Why does the mirror dimension exist?
Because it does.
>>If there are supposedly countless dimensions why do they only go to the mirror one and dark one?
They don't. During his trip he goes through 5 or 6, including what appears to be the Quantum Realm.

Literally just another BvS thread

>>>How did Doctor Strange's cape know where the armor thing was?

maybe because it was living in that shithole sanctum for ages

>mfw Snyderfag got butthurt on the other thread

>mfw he is comparing "Why Lex made Doomsday if he can't control him and he doesn't know if Batman had killed Superman, thus making his creation useless?" With "huuur why do magic exist??????"

These guys no nothing about plot holes.

>Because they never explain how it knows, thats your headcanon

It was literally across the room in the case, is it a plot hole when you know your moms washer and dryer are in the same basement as you?

A plot hole is an inconsistency in the plot, not a random feature of a movie you didn't understand.

>There are presumably ways to draw from the dark dimension safely, but they are super dangerous and complex.
Never explained, headcanon. And if there are why horde that knowledge for herself?


>Because others didn't have her skill and even just one person becoming corrupted would turn out to be a disaster.
Then why even risk it herself? Why not teach people how not to be corrupted?


>Why are there spells for protection? Why is there even magic? Why does the real world exist? You want to have a movie about the origin of the mirror dimension?
So it just exists because the movie says so, okay. Thats bad writing though.
>Because the other ones are not important? Do you want the entire movie to be just dimension hopping to alternate realities with different histories? Also, there were more when the ancient one told Strange to "open his eye"
Its out of character for Strange not to go exploring all the dimensions though.


>He doesn't. He wants to make it part of his dimension so he has more control over the multiverse and more mindless ones to do his bidding.
But why? And they say he wants Earth more than any other planet, why is that?


>Because he has a dark past and the ancient one was the only reason he bettered himself but then it turned out she was a lying hypocrite who used forbidden magic for her own gains so he didn't want anything to do with this shit anymore.
So one hypocrite is enough to completely change his opinions? What a weak character, and a complete mischaracterization from comics Mordo.
>Because there were other important things going on and the Avengers seemed to have it under relative control, probably. If the Avengers were defeated they'd probably interfere.
Headcanon.

I'm wondering if BvS being good would have been better or even worse

BvS is perfect, you are just too stupid to grasp it.

>Because it was alive.
but he was stuck on the other side of the building, how did he know where the armor was?

> Magic
Never explicitly said in the movie. Could be an AI like Jarvis. Thats your headcanon.

>6 months, give or take a few.
But this guy said a yearWhich is it? And regardless thats not nearly enough time to learn what he needed to, especially compared to the other disciples who had been there much longer.
>He was influential, well known and rich. The algorithm is to track anyone who could potentially be dangerous.
But why just him as a doctor? Why didnt they mention any other doctors?


>Originally they included a minor subplot about his sister and her tragic end. Also he wants to be in control.
So something that literally isnt in the movie and is your headcanon? Also said it was for fame and money, which is it?

>He didn't.
So he just acted randomly? Thats really out of character.
>Yes, the building was reversed.
But they never shown them come back, and they werent all in the building when they died. They only showed Wong coming back.... so headcanon.
>The entire point was that she had finally embraced her fate.
But her fate could be changed so she was just acting dumb. And up until that point they show she was willing to do anything for power, why suddenly stop then? Poor characterization.
>She wasn't directly feeding Dormammu, she had likely made a deal to sell her soul on her death. She was a hypocrite fueled by fear.
So headcanon then, none of that is ever explained.


>He is a conquering dick. This has always been his motivation.
Thats not a motive at all, you are just saying he is evil for the sake of it, what bad writing.

>The Avengers are in shambles and they don't know dick about mystical stuff. Additionally the destruction of the one that matters, the Hong Kong sanctum, was reversed with presumably know one outside of the sorcerers knowing abut it. We don't know why they didn't help with the Chitauri or more importantly the Dark Eldar.


So Tony Stark and Spider-Man didn't give a shit that a bomb went off in New York? Wow, what terrible heroes.

would you consider these plotholes?

I dont know user, I just dont know

they never said everything in that room was magic

the eternal butthurt fallout from bvs is nothing short of glorious

>Also you dont know that he didnt have kryptonite with him


Thanks for the links.

Its always great to see BvSfags being retarded.

they never say it in the movie user, not everything in that building was an artifact, are you going to assuming the carpet and drapes were artifacts to? The wood paneling?

okay, as long as you also agree he is dumb

perfectly awful as judged by 250 critics from around the world that get paid to not be wrong

>because he didn't want Strange to be less intimidated by him for it.
thats out of character for Wong from the comics


>He was bald in the comic as well. Besides that, they changed it so it's a different ancient one who's Celtic for reasons that are probably political. Being different from the source material, however, is not a plothole
so they changed it for stupid meta reasons? wow, why does marvel hate their source material so much.


>Because he was never really interesting in the comics and if they did the original storyline they would basically end up with what Kaecillius was now, which would waste Stranges arch enemy on a single movie and barely give him any motivation, instead of setting him up for sequels by giving him more of a backstory and a past where he was friendly with Strange.
So its okay for Marvel to change from the source material? I thought they weren't ashamed of it though. What a terrible adaptation.

>Because people were more hype for Deadpool. How is this a plothole again?
same way says Deadpool selling more DVDs is. Why do you disagree with your fellow Marvel fan?

tell that to

>my unexplained, not relevant to the plot assumptions are better than yours!

sad.

>But they dont explain it, its a dues ex machina in the form of a cape
They don't explain the birth of the universe either. That's a deus ex machina in the form of a universe
>But why arent there spells to do what the artifacts do like in the comics? Seems contrived and only there to create fake tension for when people get their sling rings stolen.
Because, like Mordo said, some things are too powerfull to be channeled by a mere human, so artifacts are required. Also because a character that can do literally anything at any time without effort is boring and broken. Also still not a plothole
>Headcanon, and thats not nearly enough time to learn everything he had to learn.
There are literally things dated in 2016 at the beginning and it ends before Thor comes looking for Odin. How is this headcanon? Also, he is a genius with a drive to learn everything he can and a photographic memory who during the hours people usually sleep was still studying in his astral form. Even then all he really does is use the sling ring, astral form, weak whips and shields and one powerful spell that only works because of the time stone. He's not the sorceror supreme yet.
>What could a doctor do agains Hydra?
Save enemies of Hydra who are in very bad medical conditions? Also, the algorithm almost predicts the future, so it probably predicted that he would be dangerous if he got his hands on any kind of powerful tech or other similar things.
>Not very heroic either. Why does Disney make their characters so unlikable? That goes against screenwriting 101, its not good to have unlikable heroes.
The whole point is that he goes from unlikable to humble you idiot. You missed the whole point
>Well thats dumb, he just guessed and got lucky?
educated guess based on observations =/= just a lucky guess
>Thats not confirmed in the movie, headcanon.
Literally all of that is stated in the movie.

>Superman not saying "they've kidnapped my mom" or "help me" or "there's way more going on than you think".

This is probably the biggest problem I have with the film. Superman and the World's Greatest Detective get played like morons by the hipster yuppie version of Lex Luthor. Zemo was what Lex should have been like in setting up Batman and Superman.

I would say that the first ones are legitimate plot holes, but there are a lot of other things there that are actually critics against bland characterization and counter intuitive filmmaking. Legitimate complains for a shit movie, but the second half isn't exaxtly plot holes, more of a jab at shitty writting.

>Superman not saying "they've kidnapped my mom" or "help me" or "there's way more going on than you think".
But he did and Batman just didn't listen. In fact he tried to say it twice, and then again on his deathbed.


Also Zemo's plan relies purely on coincidence in the stupidest ways. And he got them to fight using a youtube video. Really retarded. At least Batman had two years to build his hate for Superman, Tony and Cap were best buds up until then and Tony acted super out of character in all of CW

no, most of them are the same stupid shit where someone feels one way but the plot goes another way and they ask "why did ...." when the inconsistency is in your head and not in the plot itself

this one could be considered a plot hole (but minor because its just a one liner):
>Why Batman think that WW is with Superman, if he knows her secret identity and is actually the only one that talked to her on the cast?

but you could also explain it away by considering that maybe Batman didn't know if WW knew or talked to Supes previously

none of it is shitty writing though, its just a retarded user who needs every single part of a story explained to them

>not relevant to the plot

>why Luthor created Doomsday and why Superman ignored people exploding the city in front of him (that happens to be carry the mcguffing) are not irrelevant to the plot.

You are an idiot.

Hi OP.

>Mordo says artifacts choose sorceror
>later says the cloak has chosen Strange
>I refuse to believe the cloak is an artifact even though it was stored in a glass case in a room full of artifacts, because they never said "hey, that cloak is an artifact!"

So you made a thread to bitch about criticism of another movie in the most roundabout way possible?

The best critiques aren't even the plothole stuff, its the stuff like

>Why kill of Clark Kent, the human aspect of Superman

>Why did Superman not have more of his supporting cast to bounce off on

>Why did Superman have so few lines when the entire plot is about how he's changing the world and being seen as something he is not

>Why did he Zack think it was a good idea to suddenly drop dream sequences in the middle of the movie?

The plot holes aren't what kills BvS. It's that its a movie about Superman and Batman and they just aren't very interesting to watch either by themselves or together. There's no chemistry or natural human emotions to them.

It tried to be Dark Knight Returns. It should have been Loeb's World's Finest. It ended up being Punisher vs Miracleman.

I am still waiting for my Batman and Superman movie.

These aren't plot holes.

Warner shills are desperate.

>Which is it? And regardless thats not nearly enough time to learn what he needed to, especially compared to the other disciples who had been there much longer.
The leaves of the trees in Khamar Tag represent the passing of time. IIRC they go from dead to blooming, so Fall to Spring.

It is a living cape that was in a glass case in a mystical armory which explicitly kept most of its artifacts in glass cases. Odds are it is magic.

>But why just him as a doctor? Why didnt they mention any other doctors?
Because it was a name drop, not a comprehensive list.
Seeking fame and money is seeking control.

>So he just acted randomly? Thats really out of character.
No, he was desperate and it was the only solution he could think of.

>But her fate could be changed so she was just acting dumb. And up until that point they show she was willing to do anything for power, why suddenly stop then? Poor characterization.
She explicitly could not peer beyond that point in time and her dealings with Dormammu were long ago. That is plenty of time for her to realize the mistakes she had made.

>Thats not a motive at all, you are just saying he is evil for the sake of it, what bad writing.
This pettiness is what makes Dormammu such an enjoyable villain. He's an nigh-omnipotent god being, but he is such a petty dick.

>So Tony Stark and Spider-Man didn't give a shit that a bomb went off in New York?
Given they legally can't act without UN approval there isn't much they could do about it.

>Also Zemo's plan relies purely on coincidence in the stupidest ways.
Not really. He had nothing to do with the Crossbones thing, but he did take advantage of the situation. The only real coincidence I can think of is Tony following Cap to Siberia, but even then it is something Tony was likely to do.

>They don't explain the birth of the universe either. That's a deus ex machina in the form of a universe
Thats different, the universes exists in our world, while the cape does not. They dont need to explain air, but they do have to explain things that are unique to the movie.
>Because, like Mordo said, some things are too powerfull to be channeled by a mere human, so artifacts are required. Also because a character that can do literally anything at any time without effort is boring and broken. Also still not a plothole
But Strange can do it without an artifact in the comics and he isn't either boring or broken. Read comics. And obviously, if a mortal can safely channel Dormamu for thousands of years (The Ancient One) then teleporting isnt that dangerous. Also your explanation is literally headcanon.


>There are literally things dated in 2016 at the beginning and it ends before Thor comes looking for Odin. How is this headcanon?
You dont know how much time passed exactly. Could have just been a week. You also dont know when Ragnorak is set. So he could have been there for years.


>Save enemies of Hydra who are in very bad medical conditions? Also, the algorithm almost predicts the future, so it probably predicted that he would be dangerous if he got his hands on any kind of powerful tech or other similar things.
How do they make an algorithm that predicts the future? Why not use it to predict their demise at the hands of Captain America? Im sure Hydra could just kill people faster than he can heal them.
>The whole point is that he goes from unlikable to humble you idiot. You missed the whole point
But he was never humble in the comics, and show me a scene with him being humble at the end of the movie. IT was really humble how he became the sorcerer supreme....

>Change from the source material

You need to understand that Dr. Strange still has the soul of the characters. A proud man is humbled and learns magic to defeat an unstoppable cosmic foe by outwitting him. It changes elements but it still feels like I'm watching Dr. Strange.

rolling

>Literally all of that is stated in the movie.
where?

headcanon, its never explained m8. An AI (which exists in this universe) also can pick someone. Thor's hammer picks someone and it isnt an artifact.

Wow this one asshurt BvSfag.

Worst thread on Sup Forums award

I made a thread to get answers to these plotholes

>it isnt an artifact.
That's also a headcanon, by your own reasoning.

-Movie executive- "magic is overrated. give him sling rings and a staff of living tribunal. i dont know what the living tribunal is but it sounds cool. make that a thing."

"no he can't say any spells out loud. were trying to sell a GOOD movie."

>Why kill of Clark Kent, the human aspect of Superman
Thats literally never been true. Superman has always been both his human side and alien side at all times. And in the comics when Superman died and came back, so did Clark Kent, so why assume it wont happen in the movies?
>Why did Superman not have more of his supporting cast to bounce off on
But he did, he bounced off Perry, Lois, Batman, Lex, Pa Kent as a ghost, and Ma Kent. He even bounced off the random gothamites he interviewed.
>Why did Superman have so few lines when the entire plot is about how he's changing the world and being seen as something he is not
Because actions speak louder than words, and when he tries to talk to the world Lex robs him of that chance by blowing it up.


>Why did he Zack think it was a good idea to suddenly drop dream sequences in the middle of the movie?
Its there to illustrate Batman's worst fears about Superman, and he doesnt just drop it, its proceeded by two other dream sequences that build up to it.

>Why did Wong lie to Strange about knowing Beyonce?
I thought Wong had just started listening to her music out of curiosity.

you need to understand that they took away everything from dr. strange that makes him great.

are
plotholes?

>And in the comics when Superman died and came back, so did Clark Kent, so why assume it wont happen in the movies?


Because Lex knows who Clark is, idiot.

>Never explained, headcanon.
Well if she's doing it that means it can be done, obviously.
> And if there are why horde that knowledge for herself?
>Why not teach people how not to be corrupted?
Because if even one idiot student made a mistake they would all be doomed. Safer not to let anyone even attempt it. She does it herself because she believes the world is safer while she lives and she already knows how to do it safely anyway
>So it just exists because the movie says so, okay. Thats bad writing though.
Not anymore than that it is bad writing that spells exist because the movie says so. Or Kamar-Taj exists because it says so. Or planet earth exists because it says so.
>Its out of character for Strange not to go exploring all the dimensions though.
There is an infinite amount though. So the movie would have to be infinitely long then. Also, why do you think he is able to got there by himself already, or wants to, not knowing what will happen and needlessly endangering his life
>So one hypocrite is enough to completely change his opinions? What a weak character, and a complete mischaracterization from comics Mordo.
If that one hypocrite is the only reason why you're even who you are and you did everything for them believing them to be some sort of saint and you trust them completely then yes, them turning out to be a lying hypocrite who's endangering you is enough to change opinions.

A fucking 91? Lol right

Most of them aren't. Being stupid with the excuse of "someone else is doing it" though, is a pretty poor defense.

He never outright says "Lex Luthor is manipulating us and is going to kill me mom help me" and engages in combat when his first attempt at diplomacy fails instead of trying again and again.

>Relies on coincidence.

How so?

>Tony acted super out of character

His entire history is him overreacting to his guilt. He did not act out of character for Civil War.

>Batman has 2 ears of festering hatred for Superman

Because that's a great way to kick off the World's Finest Team. With years of festering hatred.

Did anyone really want a Batman that really, really hated Superman for hypocritical reasons?

you have to be pretty stubborn not to follow the simplest of logic in the context of this movie

(paraphrasing):
>An artifact chooses its owner
>my artifact its the of
>Wow, the of chose you?

I mean seriously

> IT was really humble how he became the sorcerer supreme....
He explicitly is not the Sorcerer Supreme. This is why he places the Eye of Agamotto back on the pedestal.

>where?
The scene where Wong and Mordo yell at him for playing with time. Also the Ancient One tells him outright that she could never see beyond that point.

>Thor's hammer picks someone and it isnt an artifact.
It's a magical item holding great power.

>you need to understand that they took away everything from dr. strange that makes him great.
And just what is it that makes Dr. Strange great? The way he outsmarts immensely more powerful beings? His transformation from colossal prick neuro surgeon to a guy willing to sacrifice his life for the greater good? The only thing really missing from this portrayal is the fact that his power level is toned down immensely compared to the comics, and if that is what you think makes Dr.Strange a good character than you must think Goku is the most well rounded character in all of fiction.

>The leaves of the trees in Khamar Tag represent the passing of time. IIRC they go from dead to blooming, so Fall to Spring.

You are assuming time passes the same in their magic haven, a place with artifacts that literally control time.
>It is a living cape that was in a glass case in a mystical armory which explicitly kept most of its artifacts in glass cases. Odds are it is magic.
So headcanon then.


>Because it was a name drop, not a comprehensive list.
So stupid meta reasons then that dont make sense in-universe.
>Seeking fame and money is seeking control.
No it isn't, and never was it said that Strange waned those things after he started learning magic, and if he did he did a shitty job becoming famous or getting more money.
>No, he was desperate and it was the only solution he could think of.
So he just got lucky? Wow, what a plot contrivance. Terrible writing.


>She explicitly could not peer beyond that point in time and her dealings with Dormammu were long ago. That is plenty of time for her to realize the mistakes she had made.
So why not undo those mistakes with time travel? Why just die and let the world be captured by Dormammu? How unheroic and unlikable.
>This pettiness is what makes Dormammu such an enjoyable villain. He's an nigh-omnipotent god being, but he is such a petty dick.
So he just acts evil just because. Okay, what a shitty character. Not good writing.
>Given they legally can't act without UN approval there isn't much they could do about it.
So what about Cap or any of the other Avengers that didnt sign on to the accords?

Do people not understand how RT works?

A 91% means that 91% of all critics aggregated by the site gave it a positive review. 91% said "Yeah, I guess it's worth seeing."

>Not really. He had nothing to do with the Crossbones thing, but he did take advantage of the situation. The only real coincidence I can think of is Tony following Cap to Siberia, but even then it is something Tony was likely to do.
Why was he likely to do that? And taking advantage of something you didnt plan is literally taking advantage of a coincidence m8 so you just admitted that it does rely on coincidence. Also im glad you didnt refute that Tony acts out of character and gets mad over a stupid youtube video.

this is the worst roundabout BvS defense thread I have ever seen

I would love to meet you in person and strangle you.

asl?

im just following the logic of this user

if its not explicitly stated, its not real

Is it OP's headcanon that BvS was a good movie?

I guess you are right, Thor should give his artifact back to those magicians who were hoarding all the other artifacts in existence.

>Why do you disagree with your fellow Marvel fan?
Because I am an individual with my own thoughts who is not required to agree with everything someone who has literally a single thing in common with me believes?

and? He didn't reveal it before then, because revealing it would make him MORE human to the world which is the opposite of what Lex wants.

Let's not start that again...

Clark Kent was literally just outed as Superman in the comics and they managed to undo it.... read comics m8

Also, I never said I'm a Marvel fan. That's your headcanon.

I agree, im just trying to make a point. Which one IS a plothole though?

>Why? Why does a single doctor pose a threat, they never explain it.
That was kind of the point of the list in Winter Soldier. There were tons of people on that list, whether it be because of them being actually dangerous, or potentially dangerous, or just free thinkers.

>But he did, he bounced off Perry, Lois, Batman, Lex, Pa Kent as a ghost, and Ma Kent.


Fucking kek.

Do you even know what "bounce off" means? Do you think that being on the same place as a character is doing a monologue ( most of the scenes with those characters ) is bouncing off?

Clark had FOUR scenes on Daily Planet, but all of them together doesn't make TWO MINUTES in a movie that is two an a half hours.

This is bouncing off:

>Steve Rogers: Big man in a suit of armour. Take that off, what are you?
>Tony Stark: Genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist.
>Steve Rogers: I know guys with none of that worth ten of you. I've seen the footage. The only thing you really fight for is yourself. You're not the guy to make the sacrifice play, to lay down on a wire and let the other guy crawl over you.
>Tony Stark: I think I would just cut the wire.
>Steve Rogers: Always a way out... You know, you may not be a threat, but you better stop pretending to be a hero.
>Tony Stark: A hero? Like you? You're a lab rat, Rogers. Everything special about you came out of a bottle!
>Steve Rogers: Put on the suit. Let's go a few rounds.

When BvS has a moment like this?

What anime is this from