>S&P and other major indices tank 2.57% in one trading session >Cutting through all of the newly formed bullish trend lines like butter >Confirming the most recent bearish downtrend line >Nobody on Sup Forums talking about it
Fuck off I will not listen Sup Forums for economical tips again
Cameron Barnes
The bubble can only remain inflated for so long. More concerning (and what could well be driving current fears) is not so much the chance that the fed will hike rates, but rather that the world reserve currency shifting away from the US dollar. Talks are scheduled for October to potentially put just that in motion.
Mason Green
Capitalism is also known as regifting. Capitalism is a Zombie motherfucker that resembles that dry crusty fruitcake nobody wants. It goes around and around. Interest spikes the tiniest bit? Oops. Literal quadrillions in repackaged derivatives cause chaos. Why can corporations ask people to invest in them? What do they invest in? What else gets these investments? We are seen as straw men. And corporations are literal human beings
Alexander Sullivan
Soros shorts how long ago? You are surprised or something?
Henry Flores
>pullback from all time highs is a happening >trend lines mattering on a macroeconomic scale
Justin Garcia
I'm investing in investment of A who is investing in B who is investing in C who is investing in D who is investing in E who is.... Modern economics in a nutshell
Adam Martin
They have been trying to stop it from collapsing until Obama got out of office. The Fed has been out of control, 0% interest rates and quantitative easing made a huge bubble that will pop and may even cause a depression when it does.
Nicholas Rodriguez
>Taking any advice without a grain of salt and your own due diligence
Why
Charles Butler
Not surprised, I've been setting up for this trade for two months now.
Brandon Mitchell
>Citation needed
William Smith
>stock market dips >hurp durp it's going to buuurrrnnn I remember during the oil dip when Sup Forums was predicting the world economy would collapse three times a month. >listening to economic advice from an anonymous forum You deserve it
Adrian Reyes
9/14/2016
Brayden Morgan
>Fed hints at raising interest rates >stock market shits itself
yep, this economy is totally sustainable
Angel Cook
And what is this bubble? Do you idiots even know what a bubble is?
Leo Williams
I invest into a company (give it cash to operate with) which invests the cash selling goods & services and making revenue.
Not sure what you're aiming at. Are you trying to make it sound like a bad thing?
Jeremiah Phillips
o shit
Connor Nguyen
I wouldn't say all out crash. Maybe something similar to 2008. As soon as bond yields start looking more attractive institutions are definitely dumping equity in mass to get those sweet sweet corporate bond yields
Charles Smith
Most likely it's in the Bond market. What is gonna pop it...no one knows. China, subprime auto, Deuche Bank in Germany being insolvent...lots of shot out there ready to pop it...hell fear of the fed might do it. If we keep declining on Monday. Look out
Gabriel Rivera
The excuse is because the Fed might actually increase interest rates.
The talk is September and December increases. If that is all and stocks have fallen so much, the economy really is bad.
I'm sure they'll try to crash the economy when Trump is President.
Instantly student loan securities are worth $0 on a balance sheet
I was a shill for hill now I'm a chump for Trump.
Angel Cruz
>Clearly more than merely increasing interest rates
gfy
Joshua Cook
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Connor Morgan
>mfw shorted the NASDAQ 100 at 4,818 via an inverse ETF
Fuck I'm good. I'm a filthy Australian too so when the market drops and the American dollars rises, I'm going to profit doubly when I bring the shekels back into Aussiedollaryroos.
Too bad I fucked up by not selling my BHP shares. Oh well, we'll see what Monday brings.
Gavin Baker
Sorry my phone died I wanted to get back this thread; what do you think about peak silver breaking the barriera while back? I've been stocking up on silver, ammo, and gold in that order. The ammo is for the hoardes of people if they start starving/raiding.
My brother is an investment banker and all the questionnaires for any trading platform ask about "family in the financial industry" and so I don't want to sign up.
Jaxon Long
Silver is first and foremost an industrial metal. It's more volatile than Gold, which is a good and a bad thing depending on which side of the trade you are.
The peak silver meme has been around since 2010 and a lot of people were burned buying at $30-$50 in 2011.
Hold off precious metals until the rate rise and market meltdown, then go in at $9 for silver and $800-$900 for Gold.
Henry Diaz
Facebook had a surge of climbing and then made a nearly straight drop today unlike anything I've seen in a while
Owen Anderson
Won't precious metals already be going up as the market goes down, I'm primarily buying as a backup for currency devaluation more so than investment. Silver is up like 4$ above spot price I paid for the majority of my stash. Nothing crazy right now about 1k in silver.
Luke Campbell
It's because their revenue stream is from investment banking and marketing that doesn't give a return worth a shit. Literally a terrible advertising platform unless you have a product or event that is going big either way.
Ryan Adams
I tried to short the FANG stocks individually from here in Australia, but I couldn't find an instrument specific enough with my broker. So I just bought an inverse ETF.
I'll be honest, I know fuck all about technical analysis. All I know is that a lot of these companies were worth fuck all in 2008, or simply weren't being traded. Now they are at all time highs and I'm willing to throw the dice.
It doesn't take a genius to understand that QE1, QE2, QE3 all went into the stock market.
Caleb Parker
Watch the rate hike and collapse when Trump gets in. He's going to be their scapegoat.
Jonathan Foster
Rofl. This happens every year. It is well known among investors that September is the worst stock month of the year.
t. Institutional investor who gets buttmad every year because the fiscal year ends on 9/10 and it fucks my trust payments.
Christian Miller
Then you can do some share buybacks. Fiat money is all an interest payment. ONLY. And why the fuck would companies ever lower prices or raise wages in that environment but for not just stuffing all our taxes into foreign umbrellas? DAAAAA HOW DIS BAD VOTE TRUMP WE NEED 25 TRILLION MORE IN DEBT MUH BROWNIES MUH SYRIA MUH POOTINE MUH BOOBY
Matthew Cooper
The market will gain it all back by the closing bell on Thursday. Money comes and goes. The market goes up and it goes down. No one knows what they're talking about. If they did then they'd run everything. Everything. Everything.
William Morales
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Eli Nelson
>Won't precious metals already be going up as the market goes down
Nah, precious metals are an inflation play. The lowest gold has been in the last 5 years was when they raised rates in December 2015.
When the market goes down, it doesn't go to gold, it comes OUT of gold too into the US dollar.
Deflation 101 cunt.
What the Fed is going to do:
They'll raise rates to save face this year, the market will shit itself, Yellen the ghostly kike will get spooked and they'll start doing negative interest rates and helicopter money.
The Fed can't save wallstreet again, which is why I'm still meaning to acquire more Gold and Silver, just not at these prices.
Oil too. Delicious oil will be cheap as fuck, and you should all be ready on the sidelines waiting to get into an oil ETF at $18-$27 WTI
Landon Nelson
>Cutting through all of the newly formed bullish trend lines like butter kek.... there were no trendlines dummy.
Leo Stewart
Do you really think the market will shit itself with a simple rate hike? Really? Really? For maybe a few hours or a few days, but the market will recover very quickly. It's been coming for a long time and it's expected. Why would any 'freak out' have any kind of bite?
Ayden Foster
What do autists know about dealing drugs?
Connor Sullivan
The thing is our entire economy is propped up on pure shit. You think we can just keep going in debt while our trade deficit grows. I'm waiting fir the big crash where the oligarchy tries to put the trump presidency and the rise to power with all his followers back in their place. When everyone loses their homes and they clear the table they run. I want happening level sell offs, I don't know why.
>not wanting to watch it all burn
Adrian Moore
Already in a depression. This is just a continuation of 2007/2008. Workforce participation rates and other employment figures show this as do the home ownership median family incomes.
Because the market freaked the fuck out after the first rate rise, and we were supposed to get FOUR rate rises this year. How many did we get? It's obvious that the Federal Reserve was scared to raise because of the repercussions.
America is almost due for another recession and the interest rates are near historical lows. They aren't going to have room to cut when it hits.
Sebastian Nguyen
Yeah and that market 'freak out' lasted a whole week.
Adam Scott
everything depends on the interest rates.
IF they'll rise you will see a collapse. IF not, nothing will happen.
Matthew Howard
And the market peeled 4% off oil. MFW holding DWTI.
Sebastian Lee
Bumping for interest.
Leo Bell
a huge correction/crash is imminent, it should have happened already but as aussie/emu poster already said the feds don't dare to raise the rates too fast because they understand the repercussions.
IF they should raise them this month just buy and DJI or S&P 500 ETF/tracker and enjoy the free ride up and earn 10% or more without stockpicking
Jace Cox
In Australia, the reserve bank interest rate sat around 5-7%, that's of course after we had the recession Paul Keating said we needed to have where the rates were 17%+. Now magically over the 3 years, the rates have fallen to 1.5%.
And even at that low rate, nothing grows, no one buys on the cheap
Everything is fucked at this point in time
Grayson Evans
>Obama couldn't do in 8 years what Reagan did in less than 4 including the recession itself And people accuse Trump of using "Reaganomics"? Why is that seen as bad?
Noah Rodriguez
Do you expect the price of silver to drop?
I've been collecting it, but I've been doing so at he usua current prices.
Kayden Thompson
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Lincoln Martinez
>thinks precious metals will go down with the market at the start when literally anytime there's an ounce of volatility in the market you see them both shoot up and the only thing keeping them from going to the moon has been central bank suppression
Come on Aussbro
Owen Scott
How do you short the American student debt market as a retail investor?
Christian Flores
Which inverse etfs did you buy?
Colton Gray
meh its just the regular "October happening"
Noah Nguyen
This is why Soros shorted the USD by buying gold
Andrew Scott
Gold went down in 2008 m8. When a crisis hits traditionally everyone runs to the dollar.
It's deflation. The only reason to own gold is if you think there is going to be an inflationary environment, which I do, but not just yet.
PSQ NYSE. It's not an aussie ETF, you have to get an international account via your broker to trade it.
Logan Perez
Bingo, once something actually starts happening precious metals will skyrocket.
The biggest difference was in 2008 they were flooding everything with QE inflating the dollar and cash. Also a HUGE difference between now and 2008 is now there's actually alternatives to the dollar. A lot of speculation towards what may cause the incoming US recession or depression is the fact that China now has their gold back yuan that they're trying to get countries to use as an international currency leading to their being an alternative to the dollar that actually has something backing it besides pure fictional value.
Isaac Gonzalez
Is the exposure like a regular equity short or is it like taking a long position but the index is reversed? What I'm asking is is my liability infinite or the amount I invest?
Which broker do you use? I currently use CommSec.
Oliver Ross
>stock market happening >market moves 2%
we're really grasping at straws for happenings these days.
Evan Clark
There is no need to argue with me, what I'm saying is that there will be a 30% to 40% pullback in gold before the next takeoff above $1900.
It's really not that unrealistic considering Gold was at $1050 at the start of the year.
You need to get your shit straight about deflationary recessions being beneficiary for gold though, because it's just not the case. Gold is a danger play, yes, but ordinary people rightly or wrongly prefer to stay in dollars during market corrections.
Stagflation is another game entirely.
You need to stop reading Peter Schiff and learn that you need to be exposed to different asset classes at different points in history.
Jose Cox
Utilize a stop loss and you'll be fine. The NASDAQ 100 would have to go 9,000 before you lost all your money and start owing shekels
Jacob Taylor
>What the Fed is going to do: Yellen will choke. Again. Rate unchanged.
Eventually she will have an emotional episode and rate them by 75 points out of the blue. But it will have to be in the wake of some emotional triggerring, like say, Trump getting elected, or loads of her nursing home friends suddenly dying of some flu or whatever.
Dylan Hall
So what happens when the interest rates are negative and the next recession hits?
Levi Ross
Is anyone else aware of the economy taking a dive around election time? I was listening to someone point this out. It's happened for the last four or five elections. It's probably safe to assume if there's going to be any sort of economic happening it will be closer to the election?
I'm a real n00b for economics so I don't expect to be as articulate in my technical terms and understanding.
Grayson Ramirez
OK, so gold and silver will deflate?
If yes, by how much, and in how long?
I need some honest input here, please, no bullshit, thank you.
Parker Martinez
The market dropped because of record market levels. It also dropped because wallstreet is taking trump more seriously.
Thomas James
nobody fucking knows
Blake Davis
>dow still above 18k >was 10k in 2010 >massive upswing in 8 years >drops only 400 poins
this is hardly a crash
Elijah Barnes
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Eli Campbell
Let's hope the saudis (shit be upon them) are screwing Hillary:
I did some digging, I found out silver was affected by the Debt Ceiling Crisis in the US in 2011 and the European soverign debt crisis.
August – Stock exchanges worldwide suffer heavy losses due to the fears of contagion of the European sovereign debt crisis and the credit rating downgraded as a result of the debt-ceiling crisis of the United States.
