This guy was right. Stark is a giant piece of shit. Vulture only seized the technology and spread it to whoever would pay. He didn't control what they did with it.
He was also right about Stark profiting from the mess the Avengers had made with Damage Control.
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That's why he was such a good villain. He didn't really do anything wrong. But Peter took it personally when Vulture tried to kill him.
I don't get the writing when Vulture tries to explain to Peter the real world and explain why Stark is bad and corrupt and then brings in his glider and starts a fight because WE NEED AN ACTION SCENE.
What shitty writing.
A better way to end the movie is Peter joining Vulture and cutting to credits and next movie is Stark trying to convince Peter to join his side.
Do you think he would have done that, though? Joined him, I mean? Why, after explaining it, did it go straight to action scene? Parker doesn't even change his view on Stark either after that information.
Kind of bugged me and reminds me of the Musk worship that goes on.
>Literal thief
>literally arm's dealer
>literal killer
>he dindu nuffin
This is Snape all over again.
Had he his motives? Sure. Did theu justify him? Fuck no.
the first time I saw this movie, I had to take a shit and missed the intro scene where you see this dude setting up shop and stuff. It made the movie much better, because the first time you see him is when he grabs Spider-Man out of the air, and it's shocking, and you don't see it coming. I was disappointed when I saw it a second time and realized they kind of ruined that shock
Because of Stark.
>names the jew
>Thief and arms dealer
Stark took his job and forced him to give back all the mess he cleaned up. He had to do what he had to do.
>Literal killer
It was an accident.
What?
>lets let random civvies be near and have alien technology
>Let's give the technology to the richest and most corrupt people in the world for then to profit off of while making the civies eat the costs
>only we deserve this advanced technology and no one else
I bet you're a capitalist supporter too
Based Michael Keaton was one of the few redeeming qualities of this turd of a movie.
He didn't try to kill Peter, he was just going to seriously injure him. He even protects Peter from the scorpion in the pcs.
Everybody has a choice. Vulture didn't have to choose to break the law, so Peter had to take him down.
capeshit discussion wow
Yh in Avengers 2 and Avengers 2.5 its all Starks fault LITERALLY. Stark will be final boss after grape man dies
>Literal
>literally
>literal
You're a faggot.
He had a family to support and Stark took his non-criminal job.
>Vulture didn't have to choose to break the law, so Peter had to take him down.
Then he'd likely have killed himself when he couldn't take care of his family because Stark took over his job. Capitalism for you.
>Then he'd likely have killed himself
Then he's not worth rooting for. You find another job if you lose your current job. Capitalism for you.
You have never had to earn anything yourself, you would never understand
>Vulture didn't have to choose to break the law, so Peter had to take him down.
>Capitalism 4u
you clearly didn't see the film
The trucks would of got him in major debt also there is all the people under his employment with familys ect who would be on the street.
Dude it was his company he worked hard for. He was going to go bankrupt and lose everything.
It's unfortunate, but that's capitalism. Fortunately, capitalism allows people to start again.
>Vulture didn't have to choose to break the law, so Peter had to take him down.
I don't blame him for what he did. But let's stop pretending he did nothing wrong.
>peter I'm gonna kill you and everybody you love
>drops a building on him
>shoots in cold blood one of his goon
Yeah. He dindu nothing
I doubt Tony had anything to do with the fucking salvage work. But I suppose he could have, and that was kind of the point. Vulture wasn't supposed to be just some mustache twirling villain that just wants to kill people, he did what he felt had to in order to survive. He was morally wrong in it, but its more gray colored than black and white.
Look, I'm not arguing that he wasn't screwed over, but this still doesn't justify his mob mentality.
He got screwed over so he pour world ending alien technologies on the street and actively decided to end whoever oppose dhim for whatever reason, collateral damage and all.
He could've use the phase shifter to rob one of Starks's mansion or a bank and lived comfortably for the rest of his lives, but he was greedy and straight up evil.
And don't pretend he didn't live in a mansion. He wasn't striving to make meets ends
>peter I'm gonna kill you and everybody you love
He was blowing smoke if did do it that would mean he would have to kill Liz. Also Peter does attack him after the peace offering and Toomes doesn't kill anyone.
>drops a building on him
And did he kill Peter or even hurt Peter no he just wanted to temporarily trap him.
>shoots in cold blood one of his goon
Was a complete
accident
>delusional fwggot the post
I also bet he knew spiderman would've survived the fall from the sky and the battle on the crashing plane. And he totally send Shocker not to kill Peter. He dindu nothing he a good goy
Wow you can't come up with a logical argument so you just throw around adhominins
I'm pretty far left wing but you folks are your own worst enemy. Stark manifests as an example of why higher technology should not be released to the public and definitely not people like Stark.
What so you wouldn't defend yourself if somone attacked you, same for your second point, also does the shocker kill people with his glorifyed taser or does he just stun people. He just sent him to slow Peter down.
>Peter had to.
No. It was not a absolute absolute necessity. No human lives were in direct danger. He had a choice.
>No
Yes. Weapons were being sold in Peter's city. Peter, with his great power, had the great responsibility of stopping the operation. Why are we pretending arms dealing the way Birdman was doing wasn't illegal?
He was stalling Peter so he could maneuver the glider into position to kill him.
>Why are we pretending arms dealing the way Birdman was doing wasn't illegal?
Because in that way Batman must be locked up for life for a tax avoidance, illegal manufacture, possession and carrying of weapons; putting minors in danger, home invasions, cyber crimes, illegal surveillance and so on. In movies and comics you need to be really Evil to have a superhero comes for you. Vulture is not that Evil. It was Peter's doing what he thought was necessary against Vulture's doing what he thought was necessary. And problem of SM:HC problem is that Vulture has a much better written and in generally stronger motivation than Parker. Is anyone in direct danger? Is there an another "blue ray of death"? Was aunt May kidnapped? Peter motives are his ego and wish to suck Stark's cock. Vulture motives are safety and prosper of his family.
Vulture apologists are utterly retarded
>Because in that way Batman must be locked up for life for a tax avoidance, illegal manufacture, possession and carrying of weapons; putting minors in danger, home invasions, cyber crimes, illegal surveillance and so on
Yes. Are you somehow implying I'd ever say Batman is above the law inherently? He is not. He just never gets caught.
>In movies and comics you need to be really Evil to have a superhero comes for you
Nope.
>It was Peter's doing what he thought was necessary
Protecting his city from illegal arms dealings which we're somehow pretending isn't against the law.
>against Vulture's doing what he thought was necessary.
I'll just copy/paste what I already said:
>I don't blame him for what he did. But let's stop pretending he did nothing wrong.
It's like talking to a wall.
>random villain out of nowhere > grounded character with motivation
>I have zero understanding how drama and story work: the post
t. libertarian
>Vulture didn't have to choose to break the law, so Peter had to take him down.
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better would have been if Vulture set plans in motion that went far out of his control, as could be believed in a hostile gang atmosphere, leading him to team up with Peter to save the day
no one is saying he didn't do nothing wrong its just he is a more relatable villain dealing with the ethical dilemma of having to support his family by breaking the law.
you could say he was pretty good at VULTURE capitalism
hehehehe
He should have shot Stark in the head like the bourgie shit he is.
Was this in the movie? I watched it last night and don't remember it at all
same. I think it's when keaton drops spider-man in the river, I was too distracted by then so not sure.
Ah yeah he had some shit all over him before Iron-Man saved him
Only complaint is that they made him an oil-driller.
>entrepreneur and believer in the free market
>providing for his family
>it was an accident
Only complaint is he sold the weapons to random dindus instead of foreign governments to make a killing. Just like Stark did.
Who's the spic at the end? They made it sould like some major villain, but I don't remember anyone like that.
Also the post-post credits scene was pretty good.
The Scorpion. He was arrested at the ferry scene. Looks like he's going to be part of the Sinister 6 just like the 3 other villains shown in the movie.
Serious question now guys.
How did you all make it through the selfiecam-portion at the beginning?
I barely lasted 10 minutes before I got up and went to do something else. Good thing I waited to pirate this.
I skipped it almost entirely. I refuse to believe that teenagers does these kinds of things if they aren't vloggers.
The "car scene" is fucking great.
You can understand Toomes viewpoint, and though he is ruthless, he is does, curiously, have a sense of honour.
His concealing Parker's identity was a subtle touch of humanity.
Toomes is both a decent family man, and a ruthless opportunist.
In some ways he's a mirror of Stark.
t.nignog
>His concealing Parker's identity was a subtle touch of humanity
he did that because he saved his daughter and later because he saved his own life
the vulture is another shitty marvel villain
Agree with this fully
no matter how much you suck dc's dick they are doing terrible and you know it.
Vulture and Ego are two of the MCU's best villains, and a big part of that is they actually have scenes that develop them as characters.
Keaton makes him intimidating yet also shows a spark of humanity in amongst the ruthlessness.
>vulture
>scavenges from the carcasses of Angers aliums
preddy gud pottery 2bqhf
A movie without a third act. Real Oscar contender.
>government seizing someone's company
>capitalism
read a book
You guys are all missing the point. It doesn't matter to Peter that the Vulture isn't personally killing anyone. The weapons he's selling on the street that almost killed Peter and destroyed that guy's shop totally can. And besides, spider-man is not an anti-hero. Anyone who breaks the law is his enemy. That's why he can't accept toomes' deal after the car scene. His conscience won't allow it.
The silhouette is pretty cool but I can't help but see a cat face
The conflict between him and Toomes has alot of potential, especially if they are part of a Sinister Six.
I loved the design of Vulture. The wings, turbines, blades, the helmet, bomber jacket, fucking perfect.
>Anyone who breaks the law is his enemy.
Why didn't he arrest Stark? That guy have a lot of nuclear fucking reactors and I bet that it's not legal in NYC. Hy is flying around NYC in armed suit and operate armed drones, which can't be legal too.
>implying this movie featured Spider-Man in anything but name
also, spider-man breaks and assists people in breaking the law all the time. that is nowhere close to his criteria for someone who needs to be stopped.
The film is not perfect by any means (too much fluff in the long first act), but I feel it got Parker and Spidey right.
>I feel it got Parker and Spidey right.
that's because you're a moron
best part
>michael keaton
worst part
>tranny mj
the kid parker is 10x better than garfield but the supporting cast is just the ugliest most forced diverse crap iv ever seen , if they atleast hired pretty people i would be ok with it . that girl pete has a crush on like holy shit , also its natural biological instinct to like someone from the same race so no way his first crush would be the ugliest black chick in new york
and that pajeet buly xD yeah like that would happen
the fat kid was funny and alright
aunt may being a hot milf was ok too
tony was big dick in the movie glad parker straight up told him no to his face.
last DC movie I watched was TDNR, nice try though rat
project your marlet-dcuck insecurities somewhere else chimp
typical marvel double-standard hypocrisy, where the villains are irredeemably evil and good guys can do no wrong, and everything is either black or white
Why was it taking them nearly a decade to clean up a few blocks in Manhattan? None of the Ch'tauri shit even brought any buildings down, not even the big fuckers.
Stark works for the government.
He is not breaking the law, most surely.
And with this I dont want to open a political discussion I just want to state what is: government operators have more clearence than civilians
>exactly same scene as Spider-Man 1
No way that having a nuclear reactor in the center of NYC is a legal. Just no way. And if he has exclusive permission for that, then it's a straight forward corruption. He did a lot of stuff in 1st movie and if we're talking about the law here, he should be locked up. But hey, he is rich, so he can afford a very expensive lawyers.
I see owlman