Who wore it better?

Who wore it better?

I like the Orville, but despite the hyperbolic meme hatred for STD the Klingon aesthetic and culture is awesome. Really interesting so far.

left one just looks racist

what do you find interesting about it?

WE WUZ KLINGONS

the orville is comfier

The set design, costuming, strict honor based culture, "The Black Fleet," their tech, weaponry, the politics, ship design.

Teal'c

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My snailfu

T'KUVMA THE UNFORGETTABLE

I like how heavy they are laying down the Klingonese.

Orville feels like an actual Trek series.

>There are people who unironically think this is good character design
It looks like a Bayformer.

this. STD Klingon's are literally /ourguys/

It's MotherFucking Tuvix!

Fucking Tuvix! One of the greatest Tactical Officers in the history of Star Fleet until Janeway killed him.

STD is great if you watch it from the perspective of the Klingons being the good guys.

whoa

REMAIN KLINGON

no

they are good guys

it's Michael who's the bad guy and started the war

dubs say that Orville will stay on the air and STD will fail

what is their motivation? blind rage and pride?

boom shakalaka

same motivation as white nationalists

nice

They want to preserve their culture. They don't want to be colonized or otherwise assimilated into the Federation. It seems to me they just want to be left the hell alone.

>they just want to be left the hell alone
thats not a very good motivation. they should at least have a reason why they think being friendly with the federation would be worse for them or they are no more relateable than a wild animal

>klingnogs are great

I disagree, friend. Not wanting to be (at least in their mind) conquered by an outside invasion coalition is powerful and valid motivation. Suggesting that a people who doesn't want to be taken over or assimilated are "no better than wild animals" sounds very racist to me.

The war wouldn't have started if the asian hag had listened to Michael.

Would that have really dissuaded T'Kuvma? Maybe that worked in general w/ random Klingon vessels in the past, but he had an agenda.

>Not wanting to be (at least in their mind) conquered
then they should actually expand on why thats in their mind and why they think cooperation would be akin to being conquered, not just make them into ooga booga kill whitey caricatures.

This.

There are inferences asked of the audience, we dont all need Nolan-tier exposition to hold our hands

T'kumva made it very clear. Starfleet was too close to Klingon borders and he wanted them to back off. Simple enough.

is it just me or does it seem like in star trek almost all aliens that are sentient are just variants of humans . like colonies that were around for millions of years and they just stopped being humans after a point

kinda ruins the premise of the serieses

Sorry kid, but actually Discovery is truly Roddenberry’s Star Trek realized in 2017

Litterally explained in one of the TNG episodes.

The way life formed on Earth isnt that unique, humanoids are a common species-type

They actually seem alien now, unlike just a bunch of hells angels with rubber foreheads.

>Sorry kid, but actually Discovery is truly Roddenberry’s Star Trek realized in 2017
What the fuck is this bullshit?

if i want to just make up my own story i dont need a tv show at all, if they arent going to show whats behind their actions im not interested
sure but thats not very compelling

I've never read anything as wrong this.

>comfyfag

>they just want to be left the hell alone.
so they attack the federation... riiight

>sure but thats not very compelling
No it isn't. But I wasn't arguing that STD is compelling. It's not, at least not so far. So far it's just a space war show. Maybe it will get better.

Did you watch the episode? They told Starfleet to back off, and instead Starfleet sent someone over who killed one of their crewmembers.

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>Did you watch the episode? They told Starfleet to back off, and instead Starfleet sent someone over who killed one of their crewmembers.
Did you fucking watched it? They told noone nothing, Mary Sue went there to look at the anomaly.

Yes I did, you didn't though. They attacked starfleet property in starfleet territory. They unsuccessfully try to hide themselves, attack a starfleet crewmember investigating this unknown phenomenon. Then launch an attack on starfleet when they're found out.

Orville is good

>the Klingon aesthetic and culture is awesome
t.kurtzman

I like how much klingon there is but I hate the way they're saying it. theres so many soft Sh's and shit instead of hard Ch's.

No it doesn't.

For all of you haters, please understand that DSC is the closest thing we've seen to fulfilling Roddenberry's vision for the future, and the greatest cinematic achievement Star Trek has ever produced. First off, the bridge is no longer a boy's club, where women are relegated to being eye candy and answering phones. They are strong, have differing opinions, and are willing to take REAL ACTION. The fact that an Asian woman and a STRONG BLACK WOMAN are in positions of power attests to the progress that humans have made in the future. They aren't anyone's bitch, even each others.

The aliens represent real world political issues, like the alien Saru, who shows that even members of a former slave race can become strong members of society, and move beyond being prey for dominant powers. The Klingons are no longer thinly veiled "others' and represent a real faction of American society that is too afraid of change to move beyond their archaic traditions.

The visuals were gorgeous. The lighting was moody and added a dynamic and tense atmosphere that highlighted the show's central tensions, as well as mirroring the blackness of space. Not like the garish colors and overly bright sets of prior Trek shows like TOS and TNG that looked like they were filmed in an open field with the midday sun shining directly overhead. The experimental angles helped contrast the detailed sets and futuristic tech with the primitive and current tensions between the crew of the USS Shenzhou. And FINALLY, we have sci-fi tech that ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE SCI-FI TECH and not some cheesy wooden props that look like repainted furniture someone found at a flea market.

Trek has finally entered the realm of true art, and no amount of racist, reactionary vitriol can change the great accomplishments we've already seen from this show.

Nice pasta, storebought or homemade?

It's been around for a week and is already stale like someone left it out on the counter. It barely gets any replies anymore.

Sorry, I don't frequently visit Sup Forums.

I saw it get a couple good essays back yesterday.

Noice

>DSC

Fucking Kek. They can't decide if it's DIS or DSC.

Both wrong, it's STD. The series will wear that mark of shame to the grave.

I feel like in redesigning the Klingons they inadvertently made an accurate representation of what Genestealer hybrids would look like if they were the focus of a live action tv show.