Bagpipe independence yes or no?

keep this in mind tho
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rightful english clay

No they shouldn't have independence. The second video pretty much sums it up but Scotland is basically a non country. This small island has a very long shared history, politically and ethnically, although at times it was not perfect. Those looking to split us up, vying from the sidelines for any opportunity to balkanise us are pathetic. The Scottish need saving from their own left wing government, England is the ying to its yang.

Other than simple prestige, I can't think of any reason the English would even want to keep subsidizing the Scots

if the biscuitniggers want their rocks and depression to be independent I say let them

No. Right minded scots shouldn't be doomed to a life of cuckery just cause their shitty leaders want that mudslime dick.

No fuck scottish they leach from us

No.

I don't blame proud Scots who came out and voted Yes. E.g. Andy Murray. I would have thought he was a cuck if he had supported No, to be quite honest. The "No" campaign was most certainly the cuckiest, just like the EU "In" campaign.

However, I want Britain to retain its full strength, to still be the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (maybe one day all of Ireland again :D )

As an Englishman with a Scottish father, a Welsh mother, and a Scottish surname, I'm proud of all parts of Britain and want this great country to stay as unified and strong as it has been in the past.

We need somewhere to keep our nukes desu.

scotland should be a dominion.

named person is a meme and the SNP would probably split after independence.

>You're a cuck if you're pro union
Why don't you just keel over and die you filthy paki bastard?

They shouldn't even have their own parliament.

Second video is spot on.

People should watch it and understand it.

Independence = socialism statehood

Look up the GIUK gap.

It's a highly important strategic gap that the Royal Navy controls to stop Russia from busting into the Atlantic in case of a war.

Scottish Independence is a populist meme

Pretty spooky if you ask me.

No reason to believe the Scots would pull out of NATO

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YES, FUCK OFF.

I'M SICK OF YOU LEFTIST TRAITORS

OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT

RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

No its a retarded idea because independent scotland would be broke and venezuela tier

From what I understand, they're too much of a welfare state now to survive anyway.

Sad from the country that gave us men like Adam Smith.

It would throw a massive spanner in the works, though. Scotland wasn't guaranteeing us the ability to store our nuclear submarines there in case of independence. At best, they would become an American puppet if they left, at worst, a non-cooperative socialist shithole that hates NATO and digs a thorn in our side at every opportunity

>Durr we're scottish we could be independent if we tried!
>UK has a total GDP of 2.7TN
>Scotland has a total GDP of 220BN
Alright, if you all want to become unbelievably fucking poor.

but they waz celtz an shiet

I want independence because I'm sick of being called 'Ahmed' every time I post on a flag board. Only 1.4% of the population of Scotland is Muslim. I will happily destroy the Union.

t. Mahmoud

I imagine them being a serious barrier to any large political change in this country

If they want their socialist nightmare give it to them

Seeing how Scots don't even want independence, I'd say no.

The ones who do want it just want it to spite England and try to rejoin the EU.

Cutting off their nose to spite their face is childish.

how did that work out for south korea?

>t. Abdul Farooq bin Kareem al Haggis ibn Irn Bru

We would of been Switzerland tier a few years ago but it started to cost more to extract the oil from the North Sea to the point no profit was to be made.

The problem is, the SNP relied to much on the oil while whining that tories destroyed out industry.

I'm 100% certain the ones in charge in the Scottish Parliament are forcefully making us a money drain now to try and get us forced out of the union.

>t. Jafar

Spot on.

Give them devo-max and take away the barnett formula. Good time will be had.

Dubs of true, can confirm. I prefer my union jack.

t.Scotsman

Wales here, I say give it to them and they can enjoy being the Romania of the North Sea. They are a net-taker in regards to money from the UK as a whole.

Fed up of them moaning about it, also they're Socialists

No. Most Scots are pro-British. Devolve Scottish government further and create an English government with the same powers.

>t. Mohammed Jalil bin Sheep al Gwynedd ibn Llanfairpwllgwyngyll al Wales has no inventions LOL bin Islam al Jihad.

I prefer if we just straight up vote to reinstate Monarchy and dissolve parliament.

Take Canada, New Zealand, Australia and anyone else with the Monarch as head of state.

Become a super power bigger than the rest.

Empire 2.0.

NO.

As a Scot, giving Scotland independence is essentially giving the SNP the keys to make Scotland ten times worse than Germany, Sweden and Venezuela COMBINED.

All you need to do if you want a preview of an independent Scotland is to visit Govanhill for a week, that's Nicola Sturgeon's constituency ironically.

pls kek

I've lived in all the shitholes of Sheepshaggerdeen throughout my life growing up and I can say that her constituency makes these places look like fucking Balmoral during the Queens visit.

The only time I am reminded of Scotland's existence is when they are bitching about their independence.

bit different there lad

who is that autismal paki
and scotland is rightful anglo clay

>one week in govanhill
just ship my ass back to iraq desu.
>25 minute walk from my house

Tbh lad, everything west of Hazlehead, north of the Don and south of the Dee is pretty good.

English fuck off.

Does THIS look like "strong, right-wing nationalism" you retarded leaf? We literally have Communist youth here,

Scotland's a braindead shithole full of lefties.

THEY'RE ALL SO HIDEOUS

That is pretty accurate T B H F.
Lived in 2 red zones and both black.

The one thing I do like is the fact the left marches had at least 2 commies, 2 anarchists and a handful of SNP / labour cunts with drums. But when I see anywhere else like Glasgow or London you have literal thousands of these sad twats.

90% white. That is top notch for a city. Still not the best but its not Scumdee.

I live in Shale oil country. Before the oil crash, our lifting costs were around $50-$60 per barrel.

2 years into the crash, most companies have slashed to the point of being able to keep the doors open at $25 barrel oil.

Scotland nationalized or socialized, whatever, the industry and fucked it up, basically.

They had their referendum and blew it.

Until further notice they're gonna enjoy the same positions catalans and such do.

>WE WANT IDEPENDENCE
>"Yeah no. Unless you want to start a fucking civil war over it you're gonna stay with us"

No Nicola wants to ruin our country with more paki mudshits. Seeing as the massive amounts of Irish here havent integrated despite having practically the same culture their isnt much hope of the subhuman goat fuckers to integrate.

Yes only to realise they fucked up. They must learn for their mistakes.

We should probably find the decedents of those paddies who moved here back during the famine and just round them up in camps.
That's where we can dump them in Ireland or just gas them.

Slash about the 50% of the scummy cunts who vote left.

>plastic paddy/scot
>doesnt realise everyone in both those countries despise him

It would definitely slash the number of people voting for the SNP massively.

One thing which can help is maybe going full "Aberdeen during typhoid outbreak" on Glasgow but with less corned beef and just drop something nasty in there for a while.

Let that run it's course.

>drop something nasty in there
Its already got the Auld Firm I can't think of anything much worse than that.

>Blockading off "Glesgaw" and allowing a city wide purge.
>Celtic and Rangers fans lynch each other en masse.

That could work. We could also try to spike their heroin with anthrax again.
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Oh cheeky one.
:^)

NO

scotland and wales are not leaving, they are here to stay. forever.

>The Scottish need saving from their own left wing government, England is the ying to its yang.
If you are Scottish and anti independences you are not redpilled.
There is no such thing as British nationalism.

There is Scottish and English nationalism tho which is why we are a country of countries.

>They leach from us
>We need to keep them
Make up your mind.
Doesn't change the fact that british nationalism is still a meme. I don't dislike the English but I do hate London and that kike parliament.

>Wants independence
>Wants to join the EU

Is Scotland the most cucked nation on earth?

>Wants independence
Could happen.
>Wants to join the EU
This is just Scottish bait.

If we get independence there will be a revival of the right because we will no longer have deal with your cuckservatives.

>Look guy the cuck speaks!

You're more pathetic than remainers.

Doesn't Scotland have a large deficit than Greece?

If you ever get independence you will be using what little oil you have let to lube your ass for English cock.

>"Look guy the cuck speaks!"
>"have a large deficit than Greece?"
>"what little oil you have let"
Nice spelling Muhammad

> won't get fast tracked into EU because Belgium, Spain and france will veto it.
> doesn't meet convergence criteria to join the euro/get access to European central bank (15 billion deficit)
> still have the central bank problem they blighted indy ref mk1 ("oor central bank is the bank of England".....how can you expect another nation-states central bank to take responsibility (act as lender of last resort) for your financial sector)

England should trade it in for Ireland.

Back in the 90s Turks used to think Scots were bad ass, after the Braveheart craze.

Then we realized English were Turks, and Scots were kurds. We got redpilled.

A dominant militaristic alpha race subjugated the mountain dwelling primitives.

Especially after the lmao referendum, Turks started saying that English are the rightful masters of scots.

No fucking loser race who can't properly vote to secede deserves to exist culturally.

>Doesn't Scotland have a large deficit than Greece?
No.
>lube your ass for English cock.
The English are always implicitly gay.

Check m8.

The fucking delusion is staggering. Sorry to break it to you, but Scotland has a separate culture, history, politics and ethnicity from England. Your Whig history is a load of pish.
And resorting to pejoratives like 'balkanise' to make your point exposes the paucity of it.
And don't give me that shite about saving us from ourselves, that's not a motive of yours. You're a British nationalist, just admit you're motivated by saving face, securing 'British' hegemony and some flowery notion of unity that exists pretty much nowhere outside of the political elite. Be honest, most English folks can't stand the Scottish-you can read it in the comments here. Don't try and claim otherwise.

How can a region with no borrowing powers run a deficit?

If Scotland was independent that is what the deficit would be.

Just accept you lost.

>We are not independent yet
>What is the UK on this chart mean?
These charts are always retarded.

youtu.be/m3_I2rfApYk

>Maximum Brexit Intensifies.

How would our government be responsible for the debt of your government?

I didn't vote in the referendum (overseas and couldn't be bothered) but I would have voted no. And I voted remain in the EU one.
I'm pretty much the only person I know who favours staying in the UK. It's especially annoying when my foreign friends express their support for the SNP and their cause.

We're talking about deficit mate. Catch up.

I agree. In reality it will be much worse.

You would have no business. No currency. But you will have your braveheart dvd's right? Well you can watch it again to make you feel better until the power shuts off.

No it wouldn't, it isn't even the case just now. Those numbers are a per-capita extrapolation of UK spending with a proportion attributed to Scotland. The reason they estimate it is because they stopped publishing the numbers in 1922 ( a significant year if you know your history). Why would Scotland have the same borrowing and spending habits as the UK? Our nuclear subs, aircraft carriers and foreign invasions?
The fact is, Scotland sends money to the exchequer, gets a block grant for domestic spending(28.5bn a year?) and the rest is spent on Scotlands behalf by London. Claiming Scotland runs a deficit this large is idiocy on several counts.

the conservatives were not pro-brexit, just about half of them were, and UKIP didn't just grow from con votes, but got many from old labour votes who are commies but not sovereignty-hating modern libs.
CGPGrey is entertaining but a shill

>We're talking about deficit mate.
Of a country that doesn't exist yet
>You would have no business.
Do you really believe this? Scottish business is doing well especially given how small our population is.
>But you will have your braveheart dvd's right?
Why do Anglo's get so butthurt about braveheart? I've never even watched the film and the only people that talk about it are faggots like you.

fpbp

Eh. I enjoyed the concept of the UK breaking up.

They are completely delusional. They honestly believe that post-industrial, first-world Scotland, currently in possession of a smaller unemployment rate than England, is untenable. They honestly believe we have the 2nd worst deficit in the world, beaten only by Venezuela.
The worst part is their myopia because, even if it were true, it's under London stewardship that this situation happened.

I kind of want to see it happen.

It will be hilarious seeing Sturgeon and the SNP turning Scotland into a lefty socialist "paradise". Plenty of space for all dem "refugees"

You think this place represents the views of the average English person? I hardly meet anyone who doesn't like Scotland, but know so many people back home with a chip on their shoulder over the evil English oppressors. It's pathetic to be so obsessed. What would all these cunts do if they succeed and drag us out of the union. They won't be able to blame their lack of a gf or their skag habit on England anymore.

We do have a problem, but it's called the central belt.

Scots can go.
Put our nuclear subs in Margate.
and a free ticket from Calais jungle to Edinburgh on a sealed train for every immigrant.

I hate to break it to you but Scotland has a far smaller percentage of non whites than England and London is set to be majority non-white within a matter of decades.
You also assume we'd have the SNPs in an independent country.

Shut up ya teuchter cunt

No

they should just be extra counties of england
devolution was a mistake

>Contemporary Scots
>Having the balls to actually do anything

They were handed independence on a silver platter, all the had to do was put a mark on a piece of paper and they couldn't even summon the stones to do that.

>Scotland nationalized or socialized, whatever, the industry and fucked it up, basically.
The UK hasn't had any form of nationalized oil and gas extraction since something like 1987 when it was privatized.

What actually fucked Scotland was that the UK regulatory and tax regime wasn't conducive to investment in reducing extraction costs, among other things.

Meh, England's got onshore anyway.

Maybe we will have our own independence. Westminster is too far away for you, Holyrood is too far away for me.

>Kingdom of the Isles (including rightful Highland and Galloway clay) when?

please more scots and irish migrate to australia
we need more bonafide drinkers

I still want independence as I believe in decentralised power, there's no love in Westminster for us. I have no problem with the English, in fact I'm rather embarrassed after brexit how strong and proud they are compared to us. It's a truly embarrassing time to be Scottish and I hate socialists, but the left wing scots will learn quickly once we become Independent. Then we can finally become a truly proud nation and help England and Ireland make Britain a powerhouse again.