This thread is NOT for the discussion of who were the "bad guys" or "good guys" during the second world war. In this thread we shall only discuss about performance without any political bias. This means tactics, war plans, technology, troop training, morals...
Relevant nations:
AXIS
>Germany
>Italy
>Japan
>Finland (kind of)
ALLIES
>Great Britain
>France
>Soviet Union
>USA
>France (kek)
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Well of course the best soldiers were the italians
Italians actually did really well under Rommel
British army was shit, no point beating around that bush
The army was never really Britain's strong branch.
I've heard the arguement that the Italians just lacked good generals because Mussolini purged royalists. Their tanks were shit tho.
>Which armies performed well in WW2?
The ones that won.
Overall bravery and willingness to sacrifice oneself as a collective unit: Sovjet Union
Industrial and manufacturing power combined with a sophisticated command chain and organization: USA
Disciplined and trained soldiers as well as technological advantage: Germany
Overall skilled and experienced military force combined with decent industrial power and the ability to utilize the global strenght of its empire: Great Britain
Considering that Japan mostly fought the neglible armies of China and got beaten hard by the US once the US really applied itself, I don't think win in any category.
Finland did well with regards to its size, I suppose one can applaud them for their ability to utilize the environment, but on the other hand they lost strategically. Getting a better K/D score when you have soldiers running around on skis sniping down russians in a barren tundra is easy but it doesn't win a war in the long run.
There's nothing to commend Italy and France for. France is to blame for the initial downfall of the Allies and Italy is (partly) to blame for the eventual loss of the Axis
Ironically France had the best tanks at the start of the war, but the Germans new tank tactics and France's lack of response made them useless.
All three were savage. The russians, though forced many a time, showed themselves fierce and strong, alas for a shit cause.
The UK and america did some serious shit during the storming of normandy.
The germans I'd say were the most effective, and they get plus points for not being super rapists like the others. However, I don't see why beating around the bush about these things are beneficial now when most nationalists and fascists are bright enough not to hate their european brothers.
>USSR
>Allies
We worked with them out of necessity, they weren't an Allied power
the red army went from bloody pushovers who cant beat finnland to a force that pincered a landmass, the size of west europe, during operation august storm.
in the far east with only one proper railway from moscow to vladivostok
their performance varied during the war
Ital Ital
>germany
>Disciplined and trained soldiers
surrendered by the millions
>technological advantage
shit tanks, planes that couldn't fly, rockets that didn't hit anything
Wew.
We know which was the most elite
Royal Marines and Paratroopers did quite well, British army did quite well all things considered, especially in Burma.
It's not so much as a lack of generals in general, but specifically we had shit tier logistics officers, which resulted in a constant lack of supplies at the front. This costed us most battles, except the ones in which we had German logistics officers and supplies
That is an argument that has always made sense to me. It wasn't just generals - a lot of officers who served well in WWI were barred from serving in the Italian army in WW2, for various political reasons.
Little bit of trivia: Sup Forums's favorite esotericist, Julius Evola, was not allowed to serve in WWII even though he was an excellent field artillery officer in WWI. He had too many political enemies, even though Mussolini admired him personally.
American airforce was clearly the strongest. Wehrmacht was strongest army up until kursk when they lost a good chunk of their armor, then it was the soviets b/c the t-34 was vastly superior to ever other tank and the katyusha rocket artillery was super effective. Americans also had the best navy And marines
Pound for pound (best): Germans
Pound for pound (worst): Italy/Britain
Best Swedish post I have ever seen. We are at the age that we are more united and have to be. This will make our lives far better and stronger...
>storming of normandy
There was literally no one defending it.
These few unlucky bastards were low on ammo and in no position to repel the landing.
>There was literally no one defending it.
That's because the British tricked the Germans in to believing that the invasion would happen in Calais, then Pegasus Bridge raid blocked all reinforcements
Japan developed combined carrier battlegroup tactics first.
Or rather they proved it worked first when fighting against china.
> Normandy landings
6000 German casualties litteraly an average hour on an average afternoon on the Eastern Front
This thread belongs on
Honestly the Italian army is pretty much the only only army that got BTFO through the entire war. Everyone else had their moment of glory, even the nips took all of SE Asia while barely breaking a sweat after attacking Pearl.
Wrong. The landings succeeded because there were strategic disagreements between the commanding officers that hurler decided to resolve with a compromise. Instead of having an extra strong initial defense or thousands of tanks as a counter attack he fucked himself by half-assing his defense and half-assing the counterattack. The Germans were well supplied at Normandy but they didn't have enough tanks
I know you're just a T*rk living in Germany, but...
>surrendered by the millions
yeah once the seasoned and well trained soldiers had been killed after fighting for 3-4 years, the young, inexperienced soldiers, overwhelmingly outnumbered on both fronts, surrendered, rather than suffer the certain death on the batlefield
>shit tanks, planes that couldn't fly, rockets that didn't hit anything
All the product of technological advantages and a poor ability to properly execute these advantages. The tanks were shit because too much technology resulted in them being overengineered and prone to failure. Regardless, still a testimony to the advanced technical abilities of the Germans. Same goes for airplanes.
As for rockets, it ought to be mentioned that these were some of the very first rockets to ever be produced as it was Germany who invented the technology
Under Rommel the Italians did pretty well.
Yea, because we were not relying on Italian logistics but German ones
This banter bullshit with flags was a delliberate move by m00t to make sure we could not be a united board anymore and it's so fucking sad.
Everyone got fucked seriously in the second world war for dumb bullshit reasons. I doubt there will be nationalist uprisings and coups in europe, if it continues to deteriorate at this rate, and when it finally becomes time for a racewar there will be no nation strong enough to stand against the sandpeople and niggers by its own numbers. We might have to cooperate to drive them out. Whitesis or something.
AYO
>Ironically France had the best tanks at the start of the war
Nah, French tanks had unreliable engines and weak tracks, too few crewmen and the tank leader also had to be the gunner which overloaded him with tasks, no radios either. Many had a weak gun too.
The only notable exceptions were the Char B1 Bis which were too slow, allowing German tanks to just drive past them, and had a low autonomy, which often turned into the crew having to get out and destroy the tank after it ran out of fuel. The Somua S35 was alright, still shared many of the common problems, nonetheless, it allowed France to win the first real tank vs tank battle in history. Both were made in too low numbers to matter though.
French tank doctrine used tanks as infantry cover rather than in highly mobile units like the Germans did, and the German air force had overwhelming control of the skies, allowing them to destroy most tanks right away.
Meanwhile Germany had Panzer 38, III and IV, amongst others.
Rommel was a shit logistician. Italy didn't even know what logistics meant
pound per pound, i would say germany followed by USA, overall power though Soviet union was probably the most powerful nation in Europe and accomplished the most against germany.
Patton's idea of attacking the soviets probably would have been a complete failure without first preparing logistically and redeploying forces from Asia for several years, The soviet war machine was incredibly powerful and in full swing at this point. Perhaps the united states would be able to best the soviet union with preparation to do so, but their ground forces in europe on VE could not compare
The Italians were cowards, they caused more problems than they solved. They would pick fights with small countries like Greece and lose, forcing the Germans to commit troops and resources to fixing the fuckup.
Italians were only decent under Rommel because he knew they were chickenshit and planned accordingly by using them in a manner which would free up German forces for combat. The Italians were only brave when they were ambushing a smaller force.
Well also the Allied ships could bomb the shit out of the coast. They could fire 20 miles inland with no problem. This really fucked almost any counter attack by the Germans anyways. Read Soldat he talks about how any time he tried to lead a counter attack on the coast he was btfo by Allied strikes from the sea. Then once the Allies got a beach head they were impossible to stop because they were getting men and supplies in too fast.
The US could've just nuked the SU into extinction.
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The Mememacht gets way too much credit from naziboos (this isnt a political discussion, I know)
The German army was vastly superior in the first world war, where they held off the tide of French, British, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, All the other british colonial forces, all the other French colonial forces, and at the end, America on the western front, while also pushing the Russian army out of the east.
In WW2, they mostly attacked weaker nations, or countries one by one. Or they ganged up on them, like in Poland. But the moment all three (US/UK/USSR) started attacking them at once, they couldnt do shit. From then on, the war was just a push into Germany with a few attempted to push back that failed
While in WW1, they kept all invaders at bay, most of the time vastly out numbered to
I gib Japan credit for being tough mother fuckers. They had great Warrior spirit, and like the Russians, willing to die pretty much to the man. If anything, they should be credited with being some of the most feared to face, especially on Islands
The ANGLO WAR MACHINE -CRUSHED- the ARYANS at every turn, sentencing their people to being fed into the Blood Refinery and its WHIRRING CENTRIFUGAL SHREDDER-MINCERS.
We are resurrecting Bomber Harris - this time he will literally do it again - and there will be no escape.
Look up the Devil's Brigade. We formed an elite commando unit with the Americans.
>During the war the 1,800-man unit accounted for some 12,000 German casualties, captured some 7,000 prisoners, and sustained an attrition rate of over 600%.
Worst meme senpai
of course, but the thread is about the armies, not overall military strategic power. Obviously USA had the cheat codes to win any war for a few years there.
>a fucking leaf shitposts about the italians
They had one of the highest kill rates in the war
Imo Russians I literally mean Russians not other Soviet soldiers and Germans served the best. They both fought the bloodiest war that existed and had to make great sacrifices on both sides.
Feels good to be an Anglo.
Well it was a good thread, but shitposting always prevails in the end
The worst is the danish.
>Surrendered after six hours
Germany duh
>smallish country
>took over most of europe
>took over most of russia, got within 1 mile of moscow
>6 years against the world
>beaner who didn't even participate bashes other countries
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You are delusional. The Soviets were so exhausted for man power after the war. they would have been so fucked. They lost 20 million people and 6-10 million of that were men. The Allies could have easily beat the shit out of them. Also if the US treated the Russians people nicely and liberated them the Russians would defect like no other.
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The Italians would have been more helpful to Germany if they had simply remained neutral and not given the Allies a path into southern Europe.
Their contributions were a net negative.
You fucking pastanigger.
ooga booga ackbar mehet
The Germans were by far the most efficient, but eventually they were simply overwhelmed.
What would you have them do? They are so small and cute they couldn't hurt a fly :3
Perhaps but ultimately it was Denmark that singlehandedly won the war
It gave birth to the SAS but yeah for the most part our land forces and been pretty ropey.
>f anything, they should be credited with being some of the most feared to face
No.
>Be American
>Land on beach
>Wait for Jap Banzai attack
>Most Japs dead afterwards
>Mop up
>Enjoy a smoke
The only relevant nations were those that were self sufficient in their own logistics.
So the United States.
That's it.
funny how black adder actually made this point
Mexico joined the allies and some of their pilots were involved in some missions in the pacific theater.
Mexico and Brazil were the only south american countries that actually fought in the war
Pelliu, and Okinawa would like to have a word with you.
HAHA YOU ARE CALLING ONE OF THE BEST 30 GENERALS OF HISTORY A SHIT LOGISTICIAN.
I bet you would have been a better one.
That's what gave them such a rep m8. Of course by the end of it we got harden to it, but Banzi attacks normally happen at night, and during the day it was snipers land. Traps set up, pillbox ambushes. It was brutal and not a simple mop up.
U.S.
>tactics/plans: Moderate
Got pretty lucky with some goofy shit. The fake landings and balloon tanks (Operation Fortitude) were especially meme-tier.
Navy/Merchant Marines were absolute shit early on, but Midway was glorious.
>technology:based
Brits sent us a lot of prototypes, untouched homeland, and we had God-mode manufacturing. Muh nukes.
>main contribution: (((merchant)))
We became the Jew, in body and spirit. Sold shit during the bad times and joined in after the deal was basically done.
tl;dr Took us a few years, but we were gittin gud right as the war was ending.
>fought for the wrong side tho
>grandpa is probably spinning in his grave right now
Germany had the biggest population and and the biggest industrial sector in Europe, it's really not that much of a surprise. And we lost the war in '42 it's just that nobody wanted to make peace since the allies except the Americans wanted to turn us into Carthage 2.0.
So 2 battles they didn't fight like total autists.
>T-34 was the best
This meme needs to stop. The T-34 was a trash tank, the only reason it got it's reputation was because early on, the Germans were fielding predominantly 37mm, 50mm and 75mm short, all which performed dubiously against the sloped armour. Once they got long 75s and 88s, the Germans had no problems with T-34.
T-34 has an terribly cramped crew compartment, awful optics and vision ports, didnt have a turret basket, lucky to have radios,and Soviet welding and steel was awful. A shot to the drivers hatch would cave it in, meaning instadeath for the driver. Soviet tank tactics were also abysmal.
The only real good thing that the T-34 had going for it was wide tracks for mobility and sloped armour, which the Germans aped afterwards with the Panther.
faces of war best game :P
about the thread, germans performed the best, i have read somewhere that german Wehrmacht was best army throughout history
Germany got lucky though they had their biggest successes early when they where the only ones with a military. Once everyone else started mobilizing they where fucked.
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Pick uno cabron and it just got taller
episode?
Finland
but you can argue that most sovjets died because they got lost in the woods or froze
No, Mexico didn't participate in ww2 not nearly to the same degree as the US or Britain just because they send 100 pilots doesn't mean they were involved Shlomo
I know it wasn't easy. You have to admit that Banzai attacks although scary were a real waste of manpower.
Mexico is south of America donor is South American
Considering the number of forces that were already deployed, and the fact that they still had no problem replenishing, im gunna ask for some evidence related to them having troble with reinforcment, It's my impression that the soviet military was stronger at that point then they had ever been, they had more deployed infantry, artillery, anti tank weapons, tanks, and aircraft than they had at any other point of the war, or any other nation.
I don't know to what extent Russia could have performed at all without the other allies building and shipping tanks and munitions to them, does anyone know how much actually got sent up there?
these types of threads always devolve into people regurgitating wartime propaganda and pop-history memes.
>fought for the wrong side tho
bombing nips is never the wrong side
>just that nobody wanted to make peace since the allies except the Americans wanted to turn us into Carthage 2.0.
Operation Valkyrie disagrees. Invading Russia was fucking retarded, no one in the military wanted to do it, and Hitler was too stubborn to admit it.
Fixed it for you.
>>smallish country
It was literally the largest and most populous country in Europe, you daft cunt. Only Russia had more people.
Wake, the Philippines, Tarawa, I would Nima and Guadalcanal to a lesser extent not to mention there navy which was a huge force to be reckoned with. The japs where no pushovers the marines where just hard bastards.
>strawmanning
>shlomo
fuck off retarded newfag.
Look no further than the battle of Normandy
Also best trained pilots on the planet
>fucking Canada
British air force pretty much saved Europe for holding the island against the krauts. The soviets fought good as well while poorly armed but they were slaves.
The US is purely industrial output and superior numbers.
then correct the record you gigantic faggot and stop whing
The Americans.
I'm not being patriotic; when our combined arms were firing on all eight cylinders, we were nigh unstoppable.
We had a powerful system of logistics, an excellent navy to protect it, and a powerful and sophisticated chain of command.
I guess I must have imagined it when Germany invaded Czechoslovakia, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Yugoslavia, Greece and the Soviet Union.
Yeah Hitler was a liability especially when he got hooked on methamphetamines and started having halluzinations.
I meant in Europe mostly, but even when looking at Asia.
Nips > Chinks
We fucked up m8, and the world weeps for our treachery.
There was an SS tank commander who had 117 kills in 1943.
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Yes they where lol. They could of done less of those, and try ed to hold the beach more. Either way, tough fuckers that had to be killed to near every man. That's still wreaking nerves, and giving people twitches as they head off to yet another small, jap filled trap. Yet again though, it harden us to the point where we could of invaded mainland Japan, but didn't want such a toll. That says alot, when you know the enemy will fight you with sticks, from kids to old people. That's a mental fuck up imo, and we knew it. Japan forced us to drop 2 nuked. If that's not something to give credit to, nothing really is. Japan was worthy enemy, even if they did ducked up shit
>All these Brit flags claiming the British Army was shit in WW2
I smell diversity.
>Germany and Italy are the same thing
lol