So I just finished watching Blade Runner to prepare myself to watch 2049 later on...

So I just finished watching Blade Runner to prepare myself to watch 2049 later on. And I understand that it's a popular theory that Deckard is a replicant. But this doesn't make sense to me. Replicants are supposed to be stronger and faster than humans, right? But Deckard got his ass handed to him at every turn

He lost to ES6 version bladerunners. He can still be a replicant, just an holder versaion. They voer this in the beginning with the police detecteive.

That's because he was supposed to be human in the first one but they changed it 30 years later

He's not a replicant, no-matter what that senile old fart Ridley thinks.

He's fighting against advanced models especially made for really fucking harsh off-world conditions, they even mention it right at the fucking start.

>He can still be a replicant, just an holder versaion. They voer this in the beginning with the police detecteive.
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>Replicants are supposed to be stronger and faster than humans
>Deckard got his ass handed to him at every turn
Got his ass handed to him by humans or by replicants? Because I'm pretty sure it was by replicants, which makes your argument not work.

Even in the original book it's hinted that he might be a replicant a number of times.

If Deckard's a replicant, he should've fared better when fighting the other replicants hand to hand

There is no ambiguity at the end of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. Deckard is 100% human.

>being a pedantic 14 year old on Sup Forums
welcome to 2008 fag
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Why? Are you saying replicants can't be weaker or stronger than other replicants? I don't understand.

>gets btfo
>throws a tantrum
consider suicide

I think that this is just a logical inconsistency and people tend to assume that if a film is good the filmmakers are geniuses and couldn't possibly make a mistake like this (or deliberately do something like this as a contrivance to serve the plot)

>There is no ambiguity at the end of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep.
>taking PKD at face value

ok bud, i'm sure there is no ambiguity in this book about perceptions by author who was known for his mindbenders.

Those were advanced models (muh Nexus 6), it's even explicitly said few of them were combat models.

>An older model that has been in his body less 24 hours max has less combat aptitude than an Off-World military hit squad

wow what a plothole

it doesn't make sense because of the fact that at the time they still had limited life span and he should be older model than the ones he's hunting so it should be impossible for him to be more advanced in that regard

that is of course unless we assume it all ready was a setup to get a replicant knocked up and in addition to resolving the childbirth thing they were toying with natural lifespan already too, plausible since they resolved it officially with the nexus 8 line not soon after the first movie

it's a good thing they left it unanswered

It's pretty clear that replicants are designed with different grades for their parameters. A combat replicant like Roy has an A+ (iirc) in strength. It could be that they simply gave Deckard C-tier strength to help him better keep the illusion of being human. It would probably be too much for a blade runner replicant to realize he was a replicant. This is pre-Wallace, remember. So they dialed down his strength so he wouldn't start questioning his humanity.

That said, he's also very durable. Most humans should have died up against Roy and that girl whose name escapes me rn.

Replicants are only distinguishable from baseline Humans by analyzing their empathy or lack thereof. Deckard meanwhile is a guy who's job it is to hunt down and kill these creatures literally indistinguishable from a Human being except for this supposed lack of empathy right? However, the whole movie is evidence that the roles are reversed. Deckard is a professional sociopath and a killer who takes away all empathy for these people by referring to ending their already incredibly short lives as "retiring" and forcing them to live life on earth constantly on the run, afraid of death. The end of the movie shouts this point from the rooftops even, as Roy (who is agonizingly close to death) hunts Deckard through the Bradbury building and makes him feel for the briefest instant what it feels like to be a Replicant. In other words, he makes Deckard Empathize with him and understand all the pain he's been causing over the course of his career as a Blade Runner. The film ends on a bittersweet nature because of it, sure Roy and all the other escaped Replicants may be dead, but Deckard now knows how it is to be one of them and grows as a person because of that (along with his newfound relationship with Rachel)

I never understood why Ridley Scott keeps trying to change this film about the sanctity of life and how we all must try to empathize with our fellow man to be a simple sf story about a guy who finds out he's a genetically engineered "android" with a four year killswitch. The movie is perfect when you view Deckard as human, it simply doesn't work as well otherwise.

Wtf are you guys smoking? If deckard is a replicant, he is a prior model. The nexus 6 are superior to humans, and they were given a 4-year life span to ensure that they don't cause too much trouble if they go "awol."

I always assumed he, like Rachel, was a new version put out by Tyrell intended to be suitable for integration into the population. They are not meant to be super strong, super fast etc. Tyrell seems extremely interested in making them completely indistinguishable from humans.

Nexus models are advanced in physical ability, he's more advanced in infiltrating society, designed to interrogate reps, shoot reps, and not appear to be a rep himself.
If he's fucking up the Nexus 6 models, it's gonna raise flags.

>An older model that has been in his body less 24 hours max
[citation needed]

If he's a replicant he's either a copy of Gaff or Holden, who's been activated as soon as Holden got taken out.

Yeap. The book has a far better plot than Blade Runner. The stuff used from the book is only a small part of the story.

The thing with blade runner is it builds a universe that you have to slowly become familiar with, you posing this question seems that after one viewing you didn't pick up on everything this movie throws at you, one being that there are many different models with different specifications, a key piece of information to understanding the movie, so you gotta go back and watch it again, even in 15 min pieces if you really have to

Not really, there is another cop/runner in the book where deckard thinks he is a replicant but it turns out he is just a cold human

So I just finished watching Blade Runner to prepare myself to watch 2049 later on. And I understand that it's a popular theory that this movie is good. But this doesn't make sense to me.

Considering he survived those encounters, either replicants aren't that much stronger or Deckard is one tough SoB, like a replicant would be.

>Original vision was by the original writers to leave Deckards true nature ambiguous.
>Ridley decides to heavily hint that Decakrd is a replicant in post.
>Writers and Actors call him out on his bullshit
>Ridley being completely assblased decided to splice/edit in more footage to further backup his head canon where Deckard is a replicant.

What a vindictive shitbag. He'll carry a grudge to the grave just out of spite.

>The book has a far better plot than Blade Runner.

That's because it's not about "DUDE ROBOTS, HUMANS, RIGHT?" at its core. Like most PKD's works it's a reflection of what really bothered him at the time and it sure as fucks isn't some sci-fi cliches about robots. It's just a framing device.

The beauty of it is that it works either way, it doesn't matter, him being a replicant or not is the same.

i'm the guy who wrote the post with the misspelled words.
the guy replying to you wasn't me.

kill yourself

You forgot to mention that if Deckard is infact a replicant is also absolutely kills the whole thematic narrative with Deckard falling in love with something not quite human.

2049's plot is literally "EVERYONE IS A REPLICANT"

He's not a replicant, Ridley Scott literally heard that theory at a party, stole it and then pretended it was his master plan the whole time, just like Lucas did with Luke being brother and sister.

Typical hack move.

It's fine. He falls in love while he's still under the assumption he's human.

The original release he was not planned to be a replicant. Then Ridley Scott decided to shoe horn in some shitty scenes where it suggests he is the Replicant without reshooting any other scenes

You know the bathroom scene where Deckards eyes are slightly shimmering? It was originally an outtake because Harrison accidentally stepped into Rachels light.

By 2049, far more people had moved "Off World" if you go by the plot in "Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?", which BR 2049 has dozens of callbacks too.

The people left on Earth are either Criminals, Drug Addicts, Mentally Unblanced, Severely Disabled or deemed to be too Stupid to move OffWorld.

The toy maker from the original was not permitted to leave Earth because of a genetic disorder. Always thought that was a bit extreme, what are they doing off-world? Breeding an aryan ubermench society?

It makes perfect sense. Nexus 6 were programmed with a 4 year life span, but Deckard it part of a series of models contracted by LAPD to Tyrell made to hunt rogue replicants. Replicants are much stronger than humans so they wouldn't task a human to this. Deckards model lives indefinitely and develops emotion.

But Tyrell being the super genius he is also gave him the ability to reproduce with other similar replicants, namely Rachel. He knew Deckard would come to test Rachel and they would fall in love. Tyrell engineered all of this as part of a grand experiment

>Always thought that was a bit extreme, what are they doing off-world?

In the Dickverse they're having vague wars with ambigious aliens, take mind altering substances, brainwash and spy on each other constantly.

Dickverse is place of alienation and existential feels in spades.

So off-world is an allegory for the cold war.

Yeah, basically. Dick one time during one of his amphetamine-induced fits of paranoia wrote a letter to the FBI snitching on people printing Stanislaw Lem stories for being a commie sleeper agents.

Like the other user replied, The Philip K. Dick Earth/Universe is set sometime after World War Terminus(WW3), In Blade Runner all of the smoke(It is meant to be Radioactive Dust) and blackened out sky you see is the result of a Nuclear War.

any man that has to proclaim that he "btfo" someone never actually btfo of anyone at all.

The "Break In and Blowing Up Of His Safe" incident. He was on the FBI Radar as far back as the late 40's/early 50's.

Something I don't understand in the book is if the world is so polluted with radioactive dust and all of the animals died etc.....What the hell did people do for food?

>combat model and construction model are freakishly strong
>pleasure model has gymnastic abilities
>model supposedly designed to live among humans not realizing he was different is not obviously different from other humans
I don't even like the Deckard = replicant thing, my biggest problem with the otherwise great final cut is that the unicorn shit strips it of ambiguity, but this is a really stupid issue to have with it

You see the Strength and Intelligence ratings of each Nexus 6 in the first movie, with all the nexus 6 having level A strength. Maybe his is just Rank E or some shit.

He overpowers Rachel, a confirmed replicant and nexus 8 model. It's possible for deckard to also be a nexus 8 with memory implants

Yeah I don't get why most people don't see it this way. Who cares if he was or wasn't one. You could justify both endings... The point is it's ambiguous to Deckard, yet he doesn't care.

deckard being a replicant ruins the whole point of the movie

Deckard being a replicant ruins the significance f rachels story just to have some epin twist fodder for manchildren

>It's another DBZ power level faggot

please leave.

I genuinely don't understand what Declare being a replica is supposed to add to the story
Aside from being inconsistent with the fact that he gets the shit beat out of him and that Replicants aren't allowed on earth, doesn't it fuck with the idea that the replicants are more human than he is and thus display the cruelty of humanity if he is, in fact, a replicant

Rachel wasn't strong.

Roy was designed for combat. Leon was designed to lift multi-ton loads. Not all replicants necessarily posses superhuman physical attributes

Because people think it's cool for MC to be not a human.
Because they want an identity crisis shit like minority people but they don't want to cast an actual minority.

Let's say he is a replicant, and is thus specifically built for dangerous police work. Why would he then get his ass kicked by a replicant whose only purpose was to be a hooker

At one time the Deckard was a replicant theory was so popular that they suspect every character with names is a replicant, including Tyrell himself.
I don't understand why the big bad corp put so many replicants around the city.

Him being a replicant actually emphasizes replicants being more human that humans: he was made specifically to hunt replicants and while humans don't see anything wrong with it because they don't see repicants as fellow humans, Deckard didn't even take long to start pitying them and elope with one. It again shows replicants are more kind and accepting than humans.

Because he is built to be human and thus as strong as a human would generally be, not a super space hooker.

What's Rachel's function?
It's actually the beginning of every theory. Her function was "not knowing it" and this creates possibility that Deckard didn't know it and they just did these for fun

Replicants lack empathy.
Read the book you absolute pleb.

Tyrell would probably make himself a replicant eventually, once he managed a good enough prototype.

So is it standard procedure for Tyrell Corp to design their pleasure models to also be Olympic-class gymnasts

Erzats. "Do Androids Dream" is a book about poverty, inability to provide and alienation and resentment that comes from that.

>"So Deckard's a replicant?"
>"Yeah."
>"But then why does he get his ass handed to him by other replicants in the movie?"
>"Because he's a replicant created to mimic that of humans. That and because he's an older model."
>"But he's a replicant."
For fucks sake.

Tfw, They haven't read the book to understand what it's all about.

Anyone who claims he is a replicant is completely missing the point

Blade runner is not Do androids dream of electric sheep. Besides the basic premises the plot is completely different.

Pleasure model and assassin

legit laffed user, thank you

>And I understand that it's a popular theory that Deckard is a replicant.

In the final cut Deckard has a dream about unicorns... then at the end he is "gifted" a unicorn origami.

He didn't tell anyone about the dream so that means they had access to his memory.

Also they plainly state in the 2049 that he was "built" to love Rachael... so yeah.

Don't replicants have short life spans?

Why do they need combat and assassin models on off colony?

>Also they plainly state in the 2049 that he was "built" to love Rachael... so yeah.
It's literally just conjecture by Wallace, he doesn't know shit

This.


You don't understand that replicants can get tired do you? Deckard had a long day.

If that isn't enough heres another 2 things.

>Even if he wasn't an older model. (which he was)

>He also believed he was a human. (belief is a powerful thing)

There you go now you have like 4 or 5 answers... is that enough?

Not by default, the lifespan is a "safety measure".

Only Nexus 6 models

>Deckard is a Blade Runner, whose job is to hunt down replicants
>They design him to be weak as fuck against combat replicants
Or maybe he really is human?

There now exists sufficient evidence to argue that Deckard is a replicant because Ridley Scott is a senile hack who has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he can't recognize which of his own ideas were actually good
You can argue whether or not he is one, but that's a different conversation from whether or not that completely mauls the themes of the movie (It does)

He had archives.

He clearly knew the truth.

At this point fine believe your head canon.

Just know factually you are wrong. If Ridley and Villeneuve shat the correct answer down your throat you would still have trouble swallowing it.

He can't be an older model, they have built in life spans. The whole idea is fucking retarded.

Only talented ones are short lived
Rachel had no such limit (said Deckard voice over in a version )

He's an older model, duh
The "Deckard is a replicant" theory is dumb because it requires you to construct an elaborate narrative out of thin air about how and why he would exist and not know he was a replicant

Exactly. It was an after the fact "suggestion" Scott made because he's a bullshit artist.
Deckard was not a replicant. It's an absurd idea on multiple levels.

It's pretty silly to say Deckard is a replicant at this point. Might as well theorize that K is actually human

>He had archives.
Archives on earlier models were destroyed for the most part
>He clearly knew the truth.
No he didn't
> If Ridley and Villeneuve shat the correct answer down your throat you would still have trouble swallowing it.
Denis said it will be left ambiguous and the movie won't support any side of the argument, and Scott is a senile hack who is not to be trusted at this point
>At this point fine believe your head canon.
Looks like it's you who got a headcanon that you feel the need to defend at all costs

There are two explanations for Roy's short life. One was said by the captain guy. He said it's a safety feature in case the replicants rebel. The other was said by Tyrell. He said Roy's life cannot be extended because he is burned out.

>Looks like it's you who got a headcanon that you feel the need to defend at all costs

The only hint I got in the movie that Deckard may be a replicant was Rachael asking him if he's taken the test before and Deckard not responding

Wallace states that and then about a second later brings up that it could go either way.

People love the "MC is delusional" theory in everything because it makes their heads spin

thats a theory but its not a popular one

So why did Deckard dream of a unicorn?

He was horny

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>I just finished watching Blade Runner
Why are phoneposters such utter newfags? Blade Runner came out 4 decades ago - what's your excuse for getting around to it only now? There's nothing worst than a bandwagoner.