ITT: Your controversial Sup Forums opinions

Mine:
>Mark Waid is a phenomenal writer. He's had some missteps, but work is almost always way above average. Irredeemable and Kingdom Come alone should seal him as one of comics' best.
>Grant Morrison is one of the best writers out there but the quality of his work is inversely proportional to his creative freedom. Multiversity was a mess.
>Ben 10 is garbage the whole way through.
>Whether you enjoy Adventure Time or not, you should be super glad it got so popular. It opened a lot of doors for other shows.
>The Flash has never had a good arc.
>Sinestro War was poorly written.
>New Genesis and Apokolips are dumb ideas and appear WAY too often in DC comics.

okay

-Age of Ultron was bad, but still better than Civil War
-Young Justice season two was kinda bad
-Batman would definitely beat Superman because supes would let himself die rather than kill bats

>Ben 10 is garbage the whole way through.
Them there's fighin' werds.

Total Drama Action was a fine cartoon

Cartoon fags are killing this board. They are almost as bad as the Sup Forums faggots.

I agree with most of those but
>>New Genesis and Apokolips are dumb ideas and appear WAY too often in DC comics.
I only half-agree with this; you have to keep in mind Jack Kirby created the Fourth World mythos intending it to be a mostly self-contained saga with a predetermined ending he would build towards, but then he got fired and spent the 80s using his ideas on how to conclude it in books like Captain Victory, for third party publishers. I do agree that editorial has overused it because it's one of the few "high concept" circles of the DCU to make it into the DCAU, so they know they can count on everyone to know about it, while creating new and equally outrageous ideas (like Morrison did in every other issue of JLA) is haaaaard.

We've been both for a long time. The problem are any pandering shows, whether they're pandering to shippers or SJWs

Harley and Ivy are more iconic than Joker and Harley and Harley and Ivy should have been the front pairing of the DCEU

I think the Stan Lee meme is stupid and unfunny.

Do you mean like flash Tv show? Because if not, Flash not having good arcs would contradict first opinion.

New Avengers is fucking awful.

Irredemable started so nice, that Fear of having fucking "Superman" chasing you and you and your team trying to fix things while he hunts your friends down was great

But then lol shit went into a way that lmao I am ended up disgusted 6/10

What was Kirby's plot line for ending the Fourth World? I know the stuff he built but didn't know about the planned ending.

Comics and cartoons are different enough that putting them on the same board is a weird choice.

the only good cape comics currently running are Copra, deathstroke and green arrow
likewise, much of the stuff published by image these days is conventional sci-fi/fantasy with a few twists thrown in to keep things 'fresh' and the rate at which people eat them up is insulting.
Greg Rucka's work with gay characters specifically lesbians borders on the fetishistic
Brandon Graham is currently the best living creator in comics and has his own unique niche down
I haven't enjoyed cartoons since young justice ended
Sup Forums needs about 60% more storytime threads and actual discussion of things, not bitching and complaining 24/7

>Kingdom Come
>Ben 10 is garbage the whole way through.
>The Flash has never had a good arc.
>Sinestro War was poorly written.
>New Genesis and Apokolips are dumb ideas and appear WAY too often in DC comics.
Your opinions are shit.

if they were split they would get /lit/-tier levels of traffic

>not like Kingdom Come
are you fucking stupid

Kingdom Come is crap that's highly valued only because Ross' art is phenomenal. Sup Forums's gone over this time and again and I'm not going to break it down at 12 at night for your pleb ass. Look it up in the archive.

>Sup Forums
>knowing anything about good comics

kek

not him but let's break it down
>alex ross still frame paintings that while quite beautiful, do not lend themselves to a medium where one of the main goals of the artwork is the visual portrayal of movement in all its forms
>another "superman is a fascist" story because uncreative writers think a unique story is evil superman
>joyless and morbid in its desperate bid for relevancy
>right wing reactionary garbage
>heavy handed messages and metaphors and weird religious overtones

I agree with all of your points user, except I enjoy a few more capeshit books.

If Invader Zim aired today Sup Forums would fucking hate it.

I didn't think Legend of Korra was nearly as bad as Sup Forums made it out to be.

>Tomboy is fucking awful.
>Ellis' Moon Knight was bland and forgettable.
>Hickman was never good.
>Providence has no redeeming qualities, just like anything related to Lovecraft
>body horror is fucking hilarious and I don't see how anyone can look at any example of it without laughing
>Worm is just awful
>both Teen Titans and TTGo are equally terrible.
>Conway's Carnage is boring
>nothing about Valiant is good
>Wonder Woman was never a good character and never had any good runs
>Greg Weisman is an overrated mediocrity
>I hate Ed Brubaker
>AtLA is terrible

Why do people pretend that a slower board would be a bad thing?

>I genuinely liked Ruins. It had that Morrison's Arkham Asylum vibe (maybe due to the art of the first half of the book and how nightmarishly inside reality was shown).
>Fantastic Four getting shelved was for the best, I genuinely don't want to see them getting handled by today's Marvel.
>Even though I hate the state of today's Marvel, I still see potential on some of the legacy characters and The Inhumans - I have faith in Ewing's Inhumans Prime.
>I'm afraid Rebirth's success will only make DC cater on the nostalgia angle and bring another era of creative stagnation to the publisher.

Lemire would be an amazing writer if he started writing what he's usually good at. He's a completely different writer when he doesn't have to phone in for hire or write movie pitches for Image.

>Ellis' Moon Knight was bland and forgettable.
>nothing about Valiant is good
>Greg Weisman is an overrated mediocrity
>AtLA is terrible
How does it feel to be wrong about some of the things you said?

Loeb and Sale are both great and they're even better working together.

>About 99% of DC and Marvel is complete shit at this point and I see very little point in reading any of the newer comics made by them when there is a cornucopia of better comics both old and new out there.
>Morrison makes good stuff but a lot of his work is incredibly overrated.
>The MCU film are mostly stale at this point and the only movies I've truly enjoyed have been the first Iron Man and Winter Soldier.
>The DCU is my guilty pleasure but it's frustrating to see the novel ideas and aesthetics behind brought down by bad decisions and some of the worst editing I've ever seen.
>I'm mildly miffed that Sup Forums is dominated by the Big Two and the movie adaptions.
>Waifufaggotry seems like it gets worse and worse with each year to the point people will gladly watch a shit show if it has a character design they want to fuck in it.
>Sometimes I feel like a contrarian hipster but it seems like the only worthwhile comics to read are independent titles and older stuff.
>The French are better than almost any country as a whole at animation.

>Providence has no redeeming qualities, just like anything related to Lovecraft
What bad about Lovecraft? His prose may be a bit stale but everything else is top notch. Not to mention he basically created his own genre of horror which is one of the most difficult to do the right way.

>Ellis' Moon Knight was bland and forgettable.
Thank you

Winter Soldier was a garbage film.

I would pay top dollar for professionally made capeshit comics that have guaranteed gay porn in it every issue

Everyone dead. DC wanted to continue using characters so...

>I'm afraid Rebirth's success will only make DC cater on the nostalgia angle and bring another era of creative stagnation to the publisher.
They've been very happy to experiment with their smaller titles which is good. Rebirth is a mixed bag but the way they've been doing it and their mindset going into it have been top-notch

>Mark Waid is a phenomenal writer. He's had some missteps, but work is almost always way above average.
>The Flash has never had a good arc.
I had my suspicions with the first line then you went and confirmed it

this is a shitpostan thread

Comics are outdated and very expensive media of entertainment. You have to dish out ~4 dollars for an ish each month, for several months, to get a bigger picture; very expensive in the long run and you still run the risk of not feeling entertained by it in the end. Even TV series are once a week.
And how they're writing stories right now, where it's taking so long to resolve one plotline, so many issues where nothing is happening or at least no hero vs. villain action, and all the event tie-ins in the middle of it, is not helping any.
You cannot jump in the middle, you cannot even start from a #1 issue anymore, if you're completely new to comics cause they will still expect you know what's what, especially the big 2.
And the movies don't draw in new people. Well they do but their numbers are negligible. If sales spike up a bit for a comic book aided by a movie, it's still only bought by people who generally buy comics.
Noobs to comics who try to find their way in after a movie, are always left disappointed by how poor it is (20 pages of fucking nothing for 4 dollars and see you next month) and how unfamiliar it is, compared to the movie they just watched.
Sale charts today compared to those of say, 20 years ago, shows how the industry can't replenish its clientele even with the golden age superhero movies. I mean movies of literal-whos for the normies, are still gathering crowds in the cinemas and turn in a good profit but the comics just won't sell.
If movies and games can't bring new blood in the industry, if pandering to SJWs, women and PoC can't bring any new crowds either, comics will die.
As a long time fan, being very displeased of their resorting to pandering, sacrificing my fave chars into the altar of diversity, I do want them to die so I won't have to watch them dragged into the mud and remember only the good times.
I'd have liked it be with a spectacular bang, crashing down the industry, but like the poet said, it's gonna be with a whimper instead.

>more iconic

This part isn't an opinion, it's just a false statement

Morrison's run on Action Comics was great.
I liked the ultimate cut of Batman vs Superman, but I admit it has some problems.
Civil War is one of Marvel's best movies while Avengers is one of its worst.

>If movies and games can't bring new blood in the industry, if pandering to SJWs, women and PoC can't bring any new crowds either, comics will die.

This might be a good thing. Sometimes an industry crash is a lot like a forest fire.

Gillen and Ewing are basically the same writer, but one fetishes gays and one black people

The industry will never recover and attain its once former glory.
In this day and age, comics just cannot compete with the other media of entertainment.
If they crash and reset, they will have to shrink and abandon the idea of ever selling to a larger group of people - or else, they're in for more consecutive crashes without any more golden ages in between.

man I don't know even know how to approach this

Are you sure? Are you sure this isn't just paranoid headcanon about how persecuted intolerant people are in a diverse world where "SJW' inclusion is a practical necessity?
Comics were messaging decency and values long before this "SJW" meme was created to troll all sorts of publishers into self-censoring.
I mean, Christ, just hold a fucking book burning if you hate free speech that much.
Marvel didn't go through their bankruptcy during their hippie counterculture era of the '60s, they didn't have massive drops in sales during their inclusion pushing during the '70s, when things went wrong was during the '80s and '90s and the embrace of shallow edgelord Big guns - Big boobs - Big sholderpads. That's when the business almost failed.
How did they recover? By doing what they're doing right now.
There's a business model that works and a business model that doesn't.
Stop pushing for the idiotic choice to the consumers. It's stupid.

>How did they recover?
by selling the movie rights to their biggest properties
>doing what they're doing right now.
the exact same business model of massively overprinting variants and #1s that led to their bankruptcy in the 90s?

not OP, but yeah I'm pretty sure

>Irredeemable and Kingdom Come alone should seal him as one of comics' best.
>Irredeemable

If you had only listed Kingdom Come first I could have left you alone. Irredeemable is exactly as the title describes.

>Ben 10 is garbage the whole way through.
Not the WHOLE way through. I admit it's nothing groundbreaking, but the franchise was enjoyable enough. Well, at least the original series and Omniverse was.

>The Flash has never had a good arc.
Blatant lies.

>New Genesis and Apokolips are dumb ideas and appear WAY too often in DC comics.
Also blatant lies. They're not dumb, they're just overused to the extent the original draw of the concept has become muddled.

I listen to vaporwave unironically

I don't think it matter if something is from America, Japan or somewhere else.

Continuity isn't worth it.

It really doesn't, it's just that a certain kind of people blindly hate one that isn't the other.

I agree. Stan's really not a good writer. He's just a forced meme. He was only really good for the soulsucking jokes honestly.

>was
Do you know something we don't?

continuity's worth it. stakes aren't.

My Grandfather stormed Omaha, so yes, it does.

the soul sucking joke is overplayed and dumb.

>Morrison's run on Action Comics was great
I don't think that's an unpopular opinion.

Mark Waid is a genuinely terrible writer. The fact that comic book fans think he was once good speaks volumes of how plebeian this industry is. He doesn't understand nuance, subtlety, doesn't do high concepts, doesn't do a good job with world building, doesn't create anything worthwhile. Guy is the typical cape writer except he doesn't even put heart into his works, he just inserts some SJW faggotry(yes, open your fucking eyes, he's been doing this shit for 20 years, it's not a recent thing), guy has no self awareness. The worst thing about Waid is that he thinks he's clever and smart but writes the same old tired stagnant cape shit.

Why did your grandfather storm Nebraska?

>Tomboy is fucking awful.
>both Teen Titans and TTGo are equally terrible.
>Conway's Carnage is boring
>Wonder Woman was never a good character and never had any good runs
>AtLA is terrible

Signs of a contrarian

>Mark Waid is a phenomenal writer. He's had some missteps, but work is almost always way above average. Irredeemable and Kingdom Come alone should seal him as one of comics' best.

>The Flash has never had a good arc.

Which one is it? Mark Waid wrote The Flash for nearly a decade. Just about everything about Wally West came from him.

>>the creator of the Speedforce doesn't do world building well and hasn't had a creative idea.Blatant lies

The Speed Force is underdeveloped and inconsistent as fuck.

It's pretty simple if you ignore Geoff johns need to use it to jerk Barry and Eobard off

>contrarian
What a retarded word. Has the redit way completely overtaken Sup Forums? Anything but the hivemind is bad? Popular opinion is the only opinion?

The Dark Knight Strikes Again and All Star Batman and Robin, the boy wonder are both great works and fits in perfectly with the world and characterizations of the TDKR-verse.

Damian is the best Robin not counting Dick as he is his own man.
Supporting modern Marvel movies or comics should be a bannable offense given what they are doing to the industry. Legend of Korra and Gravity Falls were bother perfectly fine shows and the cartoon side of Sup Forums are all just bitter as fuck and have to hate the shoes they watch.
Same thing happening with Steven Universe now.

>All Star Batman and Robin
Reminder that it will never be finished.
Fuck it hurts saying that. I just want to see Batman fuck some more criminal's up.

Grant Morrison is everything Alan Moore wishes he could be.

>>New Genesis and Apokolips are dumb ideas and appear WAY too often in DC comics.
NG and Apok. are excellent ideas when written properly. And they rarely are. Kirby was the master at it and nothing in the new DC shows that they have a writing team able to copy him. It's like the grimdark crushing oppression of WH40k. There's only so much of it that you can tolerate, then only so much of it that you can put up with while heading towards ragequit. Heck, wasn't the motivation for half the Apocalypse-involved characters for them to leave because they've had enough of this?
>In fact we need more "society horror" comic books. Something to take a good look at the way of the world today and be harsh about how we think about it, rather than being harsh to each other.

>Comics nowadays are poorly written, too softly written. Oh there are gems, without question, like I am Suicide Batman. But they've come to rely on art that can't deliver, to distract from text that should be there.

>The Clone Conspiracy Spiderman stuff is great. Twists, turns, revelations that have you searching your back issues. Actual good ideas on how to use things. It's good. It's like Superior Spider took another step with another character.

>Comic books are for kids. Yes, we've got all the JLA and Avengers and stuff, but there should also be a choice of comic books for the under-10 crowd- not a choice of what comic to get for someone under-10. Where's all the Richie Rich, Teeny Titans, Power Pack? We've got ours, but where's theirs?

>Everything with The Inhumans for the past few years has been a mistake.
>They should never have brought back Bucky.
>There are too many X-men comics.
>They shouldn't replace comic book characters with the version of characters shown in tv versions of those comics. "Whoever the actor's guild sent us" doesn't cut it. Brown Wally West, this means you.
Irredeemable, Kingdom Come, and Empire were all great. Waid's not batted perfect since.

Mark Waid really was brilliant once upon a time. I'm not sure what Kool Aide he drank, but he is not the same man he used to be and we just have to accept that he'd rather #BLM than tell good stories. It's best for all of us that he's over at Marvel now, where the color of your character's skin and what they have between their legs is the number one newsworthy issue at any given time.

Grant Morrison hasn't actually interacted with a real human being since his run on Justice League of America. I read his book, and it was some of the most ridiculous, eye rolling piffle. I had to stop reading when he started talking about the beautiful transwoman waitress in France who was serving him and his artsy friends New Year's Eve hipster cocktails and farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt...

I'd much rather be hangingout with Moore in his snake god cave any day of the week.

If I was Moore, I'd want to punch him in the mouth, too.

Yeah, nah

This board is way too focused on action cartoons over comedy.

>It would ultimately be good for the industry if the Big Two shut down.
>Grant Morrison's run on New X-Men was fucking awful.

it's pretty stupid is what it is.

>Sup Forums needs about 60% more storytime threads and actual discussion of things, not bitching and complaining 24/7
How controversial.

>overplayed
Not our fault he's actually lived this long.

>messaging decency and values
>"Mansplaining"
>retconning characters to be gay
>affirmative action legacies

Fuck off, cuck, and leave my picture books alone.

Legend Of Korra was good.

The X Men franchise declined when writers started making Xavier into a shady dude.

Cyclops is wrong half of the time.

>There are too many X-men comics.
This will always be wrong.

Simpsons has always been bad, completely inferior to KOTH and South Park

Futurama had some gems of episodes, but for the most part sucked

Drawn Together was awful

Teen Titans wasn't that great and was inferior to every DC cartoon that came before it in the 90s era

EE&E was a good show, but quite overrated by it's cult like fanbase

The MCU has some great movies in terms of popcorn flicks, but just as many stinkers

Dark can still be good and I feel like people who have a knee jerk reaction to anything "dark" or "edgy" are likely very young and just trying to rebel against shit that was cool to the previous generation

Brown girls are hot, but Kamala is not, she's just annoying

MLP FIM is still the best daytime kids show on the air

HUB was a way better network than CN, Disney, or Nick have been back when it was still relevant and alive

Wolverine > Cyclops, period

The Joker actually IS Batman's greatest foe despite how overused he is and how shitty some people write him, nobody else comes close to being the "leading man" rogue for Batman

So, X-Men were never good?

I would say that cartoonfags are too focused cartoons from CN, Disney and NIck than anywhere else. Also their strange need for a 24/7 general about every cartoon show.

generals are just here for waifuposting

the waifu threads in general have to stop
>hurr durrdurr I want to fuck a pig

Most comedy cartoons (keyword, most) don't have much to discuss....they usually exist just to be a vehicle for jokes rather than have an engaging world that autists and children can obsess over, and talk about endlessly on the internet

I don't think you know what a "general" is, a general is a thread that is meant to be a catch all thread for a topic instead of allowing multiple threads for said topic to sprout up out of control

If someone makes a thread with a specific topic, even if it's something so dumb as wanting to fuck a cartoon pig, it doesn't count as a general...it's just a specific thread with oddly a very specific topic

>David Willis used to be a good webcomic creator.
>Ratatouille is the best Pixar film
>Adventure Time still has some good episodes

Yes I was talking about generals and waifu threads, though if you ever had been in a general you'd know it's nothing but waifuposting
that's why there's space between the two sentences you fuckng retard, learn to read

Generals are cancer, but you don't know what one is. A waifu thread is also not what you're talking about, you fucking filthy newfag.

You're referencing the Sing thread, which is not a waifu thread or a general, fucking lurk moar before you post.

Also go google what "lurk moar" means, I'm sure you'll have to

>Morrison's X-men was HEAVILY overrated, and his portrayal of Scott was insanely boring until the final arc
>X-factor with the O5 was boring and a disservice to the characters. The only good thing that came out of that was Apocalypse

Consider that the Old Gods were Marvel's Asgardians.

no argument here

Thank you.
>some D-list celebrity dies, he can't get away with this XDD
I fucking hate you bastards and I hate that me learning about Leonard Cohen's death was through your shitty meme.

I don't like how so many comics are mainly in big cities. I know there are a few that don't, but I want to see more. I remember someone saying that the problem was something along the lines of a lower risk. What about emotional risk? The less people there, the more likely the hero knows the people who are in danger.

Just do something crazy like in Appalachian Kentucky where most people barely have money.

>-Age of Ultron was bad, but still better than Civil War
This is a really bad opinion, user.

Agree with all of this, aside from
>Joker is best
I know it might be true, but I just can't feel that way...I feel like with proper handling all of Batman's villains could easily take that spot, but Joker just gets it cause of popularity