WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN: 2016 Superhero Movies

What went right? What went wrong?

Deadpool (2016)

>In early drafts, Wade becomes a mercenary after escaping from the Workshop and purely wa

>Early drafts featured Patch as the bar owner, while Weasel is a weapons dealer and Wade's handler. Weasel was made into a bar owner in further revisions.

>Early drafts featured Cannonball as Colossus's apprentice in the X-Men. He was replaced by Negasonic Teenage Warhead.

>Early drafts featured Garrison Kane, Wyre and Sluggo as Ajax's enforcers. They were replaced by Angel Dust.

>Early drafts featured Dr. Emrys Killbrew, the mad scientist who recruits Wade into the Workshop and flees the country upon learning Deadpool is coming after him to continue his research abroad.

>Early drafts featured a massive gunfight during the final battle, but the budget didn't allow him, but the idea was referenced when Deadpool forgets his bag of guns in the cab.

>Olivia Munn was approached to play Vanessa Carslyle, but declined in favor of playing Psylocke in X-MEN: APOCALYPSE and Morena Baccarin was cast.

Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)

>The movie was originally greenlit by WB as a standalone sequel to MAN OF STEEL featuring Lex Luthor and Metallo.

>Josh Brolin and Ben Affleck were offered the role of Batman, but both declined. Joe Manganiello, Matthew Goode, Scott Adkins, Max Martini and Richard Armitage auditioned before Affleck reconsidered and brought his contributor Chris Terrio to revise Goyer's script, which he found disappointing.

>Olga Kurylenko, Elodie Yung and Emily Ratajkowski auditioned for Wonder Woman before Gal Gadot was cast.

>Joaquin Phoenix was offered the role of Lex Luthor, but declined. Matt Damon, Bradley Cooper, Denzel Washington and Bryan Cranston were also approached before Snyder changed his plans for the character.

>Jesse Eisenberg was originally approached to play Jimmy Olsen. Snyder had planned to cast a well-known actor and then kill Olsen early in the movie to subvert audience expectations, but Eisenberg declined. Snyder felt Eisenberg's disdainful attitude was so powerful he changed the entire script to accomodate for a new interpretation of Luthor that would play to Eisenberg's strengths.

>The Knightmare and the Flash's appearance in Batman's dreams were late additions by Snyder, who believed that the narrative was "too linear" and needed more surreal elements even though he hadn't quite figured out their cause.

>Producer Christopher Nolan objected to Superman's death being done early into the DCEU, but Snyder ultimately persuaded him to the idea.

Captain America: Civil War (2016)

>Early drafts featured Vision on Captain America's team and Ant-Man on Iron Man's team; larger roles for Sharon Carter and Everett Ross; appearances by Bruce Banner and Pepper Potts; and Hope Van Dyne becoming the Wasp.

>In early drafts, Spider-Man had a larger role and Prince T'Challa had a minor role. When the deal between Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures initially failed, T'Challa's role was expanded, including his transformation into Black Panther. Marvel and Sony later reached an agreement and Spider-Man was reinserted in the script in a smaller role.

>Marvel Entertainment CEO Ike Perlmutter refused to pay Robert Downey Jr's salary, reducing Iron Man to a brief appearance. Downey Jr. lobbied for a larger role and was backed by producer Kevin Feige, leading to a conflict that ended with Marvel Studios splitting off from Marvel Entertainment and Perlmutter being reassigned to the television department while Feige had complete creative control over the movies.

>During the period where Iron Man was unavailable, the Russos mapped out an alternative third act centered on Baron Zemo searching for a biological weapon known as "Madbomb", which compels people into murderous rampages. The alternative title CAPTAIN AMERICA: FALLEN SON was also proposed.

>Asa Butterfield, Charlie Rowe, Judah Lewis, Matthew Lintz, Charlie Plummer and Liam James auditioned for Spider-Man before Tom Holland was cast.

X-Men: Apocalypse (2016)

>Early drafts featured Wolverine and Mystique working together to rescue endangered mutants, leading to Wolverine being recruited by the X-Men as a drill sergeant for the young mutants.

>Early drafts featured Professor X becoming the fouth Horseman after being corrupted by Apocalypse, but the concept was scrapped and Pyslocke was added.

>Taron Egerton was offered the role of Cyclops, but declined. Jamie Blackley, Charlie Rowe, Timothee Chalamet and Ben Hardy auditioned before Tye Sheridan was cast. Hardy was later cast as Archangel.

>Chloe Moretz, Hailee Steinfeld and Elle Fanning auditioned for Jean Grey before Sophie Turner was cast.

>Amber Stevens and Zendaya Coleman auditioned for Storm before Alexandra Shipp was cast.

>Tom Hardy and Idris Elba were approached for Apocalypse before Oscar Isaac was cast.

>Although the Weapon X segment were always part of the movie, Wolverine's breakout was added in reshoots.

Suicide Squad (2016)

>In early drafts, Rick Flag as the main character, but this was changed when Will Smith was cast as Deadshot.

>Early drafts featured King Shark, but the character was deemed too expensive and replaced by Killer Croc.

>Tom Hardy was originally cast as Flag, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts. Jake Gyllenhall, Luke Evans, Joel Edgerton and Jon Bernthal were approached to replace him before Joel Kinnaman was cast.

>Oprah Winfrey and Octavia Spencer were approached for Amanda Waller before Viola Davis was cast.

>Shia LaBeouf was approached for Lieutenant GQ Edwards before Scott Eastwood was cast and the character's role was severely reduced in rewrites.

>Several scenes were deleted, most notably the Joker's, and the movie was re-edited multiple times by different companies after middling reception at test screenings and the disappointing critical and commercial performance of BATMAN V SUPERMAN.

>The abusive relationship between the Joker and Harley Quinn was scrapped in reshoots in favor of a more conventional romance to capitalize on the characters's popularity with teenage audiences to whom such relationships are appealing.

Doctor Strange (2016)

>Fede Alvarez, Nikolaj Arcel, Dean Israelite, Jonathan Levine and Mark Andrews were approached to direct before Scott Derrickson was hired.

>Benedict Cumberbatch initially declined the role of Stephen Strange due to scheduling conflicts with his theater commitments. Mads Mikkelsen, Joaquin Phoenix, Jared Leto, Jake Gyllenhall, Tom Hardy, Colin Farrell, Ethan Hawke, Jack Huston, Oscar Isaac, Keanu Reeves, Matthew McConaughey, Ewan McGregor and Justin Theroux were approached to play the role before filming was delayed to accomodate Cumberbatch's schedule.

>Ken Watanabe, Morgan Freeman and Bill Nighy were approached for the Ancient One before Tilda Swinton was cast.

>In early drafts, the Ancient One was a Asian man and Wong was not featured. When the Ancient One was made into a Celtic woman, Wong was added to the story as one of Strange's mentors.

>Early drafts revealed that Strange went through the loop thousands of times before Dormammu decided to accept his bargain, and that he remembers each and every time he died.

>Early cuts featured a subplot about Strange's sister, Donna, who falls into a river while they're playing together and drowns despite his attempts to save her, motivating Strange to study medicine. Lulu Wilson played Donna, but all of her scenes were cut.

>Early cuts featured more parallels between science and magic that were cut from the movie so magic would remain shrouded in mystery.

>Early cuts had a slightly darker tone that didn't ressonate very well with test-audiences. Dan Harmon was then hired to revise the script and more lighthearted beats were added in reshoots.

I still remember when I was hoping for Asa Butterfield to get the role.

>>In early drafts, Wade becomes a mercenary after escaping from the Workshop and purely wa

FINISH IT. MY AUTISM DON'T ALLOW UNFINISHED SENTENCES

>Early drafts featured King Shark, but the character was deemed too expensive and replaced by Killer Croc.
>Somehow King Shark is on The Flash show

LMAOIN @ UR LYF WB

Huh. Weird.

He purely wanted money until he found out Ajax had survived, leading to the highway battle.

Ike is a disgrace to Jews everywhere.

>Early drafts featured Professor X becoming the fouth Horseman after being corrupted by Apocalypse, but the concept was scrapped and Pyslocke was added.

The Horsemen they picked where all underwhelming other than Mags, they all had terible powersets.

King Shark looks terrible in the Flash and you know it.

>>The abusive relationship between the Joker and Harley Quinn was scrapped in reshoots in favor of a more conventional romance to capitalize on the characters's popularity with teenage audiences to whom such relationships are appealing.
And it worked. Somehow people I've come across who aren't familiar with the comics always tell me how they love how they handled Joker and Harley's romance.

>Early drafts featured King Shark, but the character was deemed too expensive and replaced by Killer Croc.

Bravo, WB.

>>Jesse Eisenberg was originally approached to play Jimmy Olsen. Snyder had planned to cast a well-known actor and then kill Olsen early in the movie to subvert audience expectations, but Eisenberg declined. Snyder felt Eisenberg's disdainful attitude was so powerful he changed the entire script to accomodate for a new interpretation of Luthor that would play to Eisenberg's strengths.


Probably one of the biggest red flags that BvS was going to bomb. You can't disrespect the source material like that Snyder.

>This was originally pitched in the late 90s early 2000s.

16 years and they still couldn't get a decent script for it.

Those people live under a rock more or less. I know plenty of casuals who aren't familiar with comics legit point out that their relationship is abusive af.

From my experience the smart casuals outnumber the dumbasses 3 to 1.

Also is it me or most fans of JokerxHarley are FOB asian gals? That's the case in Austrailia anyways.

>a standalone sequel to MAN OF STEEL featuring Lex Luthor and Metallo.
Would have paid to go see this.

>The Knightmare and the Flash's appearance in Batman's dreams were late additions by Snyder, who believed that the narrative was "too linear" and needed more surreal elements even though he hadn't quite figured out their cause.
Every fucking time.

>>Early cuts had a slightly darker tone that didn't ressonate very well with test-audiences. Dan Harmon was then hired to revise the script and more lighthearted beats were added in reshoots.

This right here is cancer. Test audiences are always 50/50 when it comes to being right.

>>Early cuts featured a subplot about Strange's sister, Donna, who falls into a river while they're playing together and drowns despite his attempts to save her, motivating Strange to study medicine. Lulu Wilson played Donna, but all of her scenes were cut.

Dr Strange would've genuinely been 10x better if they went that dark. It would make the dialogue with Mads more poignant when he talks about returning family from the dead.

I respect Ike for not immediately caving to Downey's demands for mo money.

The fact is that King Shark is in the show no matter if it looks good or not, WB excuse that they don't have the budget when the show have done it shows how WB is run by idiots

there was an easter egg for it in I am Legend

Jesus Christ, my faith in humanity just fell down a peg.

>bvs was so bad it caused a vampire apocalypse

>One appears minimally and is obscured for majority of the appearance and still looks terrible
>One is featured prominently in the open
You're an idiot.

I honestly was really impressed with the Flash's cgi overall. It looks better and uses more cgi than just about any tv show I've ever seen. When big shows like LOST can't even make a single realistic model for a submarine, things like a shark man and all the other cgi effects used in Flash impressed me a lot.

LOST ended half a decade ago, of course it had shitty CGI. If you're talking good TV CGI there's already The Walking Dead and Game of Thrones. Flash has decent TV CGI but it's still honestly pretty terrible to look at because of how rubbery it looks and how unnatural the movements are in when they bring in the CGI Models.

>Early drafts featured King Shark, but the character was deemed too expensive and replaced by Killer Croc.
You stupid incompetent fucks.
Stan Winston made this look easy back in 1997.

>they all had terible powersets.
Just like in comics.
FEAR MY CLAPPING!

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>The Knightmare and the Flash's appearance in Batman's dreams were late additions by Snyder, who believed that the narrative was "too linear" and needed more surreal elements even though he hadn't quite figured out their cause.
Nice try. Very subtle.

>that time when he tried to cut stans salary and ended up paying him like triple plus a cut of the adaptations

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>Olga Kurylenko, Elodie Yung and Emily Ratajkowski auditioned for Wonder Woman before Gal Gadot was cast.
THANK YOU GOD Yung wasn't cast.
Olga would have been better tho.

Oh shut the fuck up.

Does it matter how good the fucking movies where or would have been you would have still blustered to the heat death of the universe they were bad.

The producers could come in to your basetment, hand you a plate of chicken tendies, while what ever whore you have a crush on who you would never have the urge to talk to fellates you. And you fags here would never give it a good review.

Your garbage who can only parrot the hate this stupid board pukes out. Form a opinion for once in your life instead of being the same cunts who give these shit heads money anyway.

Yeah that looks pretty baller but chances are they wanted something that can actually emote and do more complicated mouth movements for talking and also be pretty big for comic accuracy (Not sure on the last one). Croc was most likely the replacement because someone remember that he didn't always looked like a giant humanoid crocodile and got him in for budget reasons (This movie had a pretty smaller budget compared to regular capeshit WB pushed out, not as small as Deadpool but a tiny bit smaller than X-Men Apocalypse and Green Lantern)

>>Joaquin Phoenix was offered the role of Lex Luthor, but declined. Matt Damon, Bradley Cooper, Denzel Washington and Bryan Cranston were also approached before Snyder changed his plans for the character.
>>Jesse Eisenberg was originally approached to play Jimmy Olsen. Snyder had planned to cast a well-known actor and then kill Olsen early in the movie to subvert audience expectations, but Eisenberg declined. Snyder felt Eisenberg's disdainful attitude was so powerful he changed the entire script to accomodate for a new interpretation of Luthor that would play to Eisenberg's strengths.
I love BVS (MOS notably more so) but fuck Snyder for this.

>The Knightmare and the Flash's appearance in Batman's dreams were late additions by Snyder, who believed that the narrative was "too linear" and needed more surreal elements even though he hadn't quite figured out their cause.
That said this if fine.

Issac is great but yeah Elba would have come off a lot more menacing in the make up then he did.

>>Early drafts revealed that Strange went through the loop thousands of times before Dormammu decided to accept his bargain, and that he remembers each and every time he died.
>>Early cuts had a slightly darker tone that didn't ressonate very well with test-audiences. Dan Harmon was then hired to revise the script and more lighthearted beats were added in reshoots
FUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOU.

Fuck Spiderman

Fucking hell, Snyder is a fountain of bad ideas.

Yeah fuck them and all the money that movie made, they should have made the movie that wasn't very well liked. totally works for Tim Burton.

Yung would be better too.

>"This movies makes TOO MUCH sense. That cannot stand."

Sure, totally fine.

why u so mad bile kun?

$175 million is pretty par the course for B-list superheroes. Not to mention it balooned up to $200 million+ with reshoots.

Because of the posturing you fags do when sales tickets alone prove that more than half of the haters have seen it.

You dislike something don't see it.

No she is generic as fuck and even skinnier then Gadot.

Nothing about the Knightmare lacked sense.
It was a awesome surreal menacing scene and added much to the mythos.

t. zack

It's just a vision into a alternate future what fucking part of that lacks sense??? Are you so fucking dense you can't wrap your pathetic mind around the concept?

yay. this thread again. with the exact same posts as previously. with the exact responses and replies as previously

massive deja vu

>Emily Ratajkowski auditioned for Wonder Woman before Gal Gadot was cast.
WHY?!?!?!??!!?!

>Jon Bernthal were approached to replace him before Joel Kinnaman was cast.
>Oprah Winfrey was approached for Amanda Waller before Viola Davis was cast.
That would have been weird.

I wish I could exile you to Sup Forums

Doesn't the movie already imply that Strange died a fucking lot? He seems pretty aware of it anyways, how else would he have bargained it?

Ben Affleck. He had the final say in which actress would portray Wonder Woman and all of them had to read a script with him to convince him.

The problem i had with Deadpool was how they had the most action packed and interesting part in the first fifteen minutes, which is a big no-no in the action industry.

Also the mandatory Deadpool origin story part was tedious and dull.

I still don't know what went wrong here.
>Audiences didn't want darker tone.
>Not hiring Nikolaj Arcel

>Tom Hardy approached for Apocalypse
>Tom Hardy cast as Flag
Tom Hardy approached for Dr. Strange

Is there any role in a cape movie that he DIDN'T almost get?

The Flash does the best it can do with a CW TV budget and with that it mind the CGI is pretty good.

>Is there any role in a cape movie that he DIDN'T almost get?
The ones meant for small guys.

Midnighter.

>Downey Jr. lobbied for a larger role and was backed by producer Kevin Feige, leading to a conflict that ended with Marvel Studios splitting off from Marvel Entertainment and Perlmutter being reassigned to the television department while Feige had complete creative control over the movies.


FUCKING MANLET

KIKE PERLMUTTER BTFO
Making the movie much better IMO

>>Shia LaBeouf was approached for Lieutenant GQ Edwards before Scott Eastwood was cast and the character's role was severely reduced in rewrites.

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I think it's more retarded that they decided to waste money CGing Enchantress and her retarded brother entirely

>what fucking part of that lacks sense
The part where Bats isn't fucking psychic?

Sense when do Prophetic visions only happen to Psychics?

>>During the period where Iron Man was unavailable, the Russos mapped out an alternative third act centered on Baron Zemo searching for a biological weapon known as "Madbomb", which compels people into murderous rampages. The alternative title CAPTAIN AMERICA: FALLEN SON was also proposed.
>murderous rampage
So zombies almost?

Also, wasn't there concept art of Cap having more tactical gear?

Not tactical, but at one point Cap was supposed to get his classic scalemail suit after the airport battle. It got cut because the Russos felt it broke the tension of Cap's quest in the third act for the sake of fanservice.

>The Knightmare and the Flash's appearance in Batman's dreams were late additions by Snyder, who believed that the narrative was "too linear" and needed more surreal elements even though he hadn't quite figured out their cause.
Bravo Snyder.

This is one of the reasons why BvS is shit compared to MoS.

So Batman isn't psychic, he is just a Prophet.

Is that somehow better? Because becoming the mouthpeice of GOD seems like the sort of thing that should be the focus of its own movie, not an implied explanation for a dream sequence.

>almost all of the complaints people have with the movie originate from snyder

>added much to the mythos.

I mean, if it was expanded upon in later films, I'll give it a pass (however, that'll probably take years). But narratively, the scene wasn't even necessary. You could cut it out, and the movie wouldn't be any different.

It paid off in the end though.
Manlet Jr equals guaranteed asses in seats and billion box office numbers.

>It got cut because the Russos felt it broke the tension of Cap's quest in the third act for the sake of fanservice.
Yet Spider-Man was there.

Everytime I hear about test audiences, it's always bad. Either they think the movie is "too dark" (like, how the fuck is that a complaint?) or did not like the abusive relationship between the Joker and Harley, even though that's canon. Like, why? Why do these beta directors always need to pander to these shitty test audiences that are always, 100%, made up of milquetoast normies?

I think you misunderstand the purpose of these kind of 'what could have been' threads, it's not to specifically shit on the final movies, it's just interesting to see what the writers originally had in mind and how the final product came to be.

OP even states What went right? What went wrong?

I enjoy these type of threads but wish they had sources to prove their legitimacy.

That's because Spiderman means mad dosh. Money is still the end goal here.

>Why do these beta directors always need to pander to these shitty test audiences that are always, 100%, made up of milquetoast normies?
They buy merchandise and make up a good portion of the population.

WB knew their audience for the movie, edgy teenagers.

What does god have anything to do with it?
Its not meant to add to the narrative except add to the tension & epic nature of the universe and there is nothing wrong with that.

There are two commonly accepted definitions of the term prophet.

The first is someone with an innate power to see the future on their own. Basically psychic powers, even if the exact explanation of the source of their power depends on the setting.

The second definition is someone who is a mouthpiece of God (or a god/gods, depending on the religion) who is directly informed by a higher power and who describes their will to the rest of humanity.

If Batman is having prophetic visions, he either has psychic powers or is the spokesman for god. You gotta pick one.

And neither of those answers is a good thing to force onto Batman as a character, since they inherently change the nature of the character and the story by their inclusion.

>Downey Jr. lobbied for a larger role and was backed by producer Kevin Feige, leading to a conflict that ended with Marvel Studios splitting off from Marvel Entertainment and Perlmutter being reassigned to the television department while Feige had complete creative control over the movies.

Well, Perlmutter wasn't outright reassigned to the television department. Rather, Marvel Television simply remained a part of Perlmutter's Marvel Entertainment (which he is still the head of) instead of jumping ship with Feige's Marvel Studios. Apparently, Jeph Loeb (the head of that division) seems to really like Perlmutter for some reason.

You recently watched DBZ Abridged, when Perfect Cell is telling Vegeta to hit him as hard as he can, did you not?

It seems that all of the good scenes were cut, and the ''''safe'''' ones were kept.

bump

Eh, it's not too bad. You just know that they're going to reveal that as canon in Dr. Strange 2: Electric Dormammu.

You should be in marketing