Chelsea Cain: Mockingbird[Elle Collins] Al Ewing: New Avengers & Ultimates[Alex Spencer] Steve Orlando: Midnighter & Supergirl [Elle Collins] Kelly Thompson:Jem and The Holograms [Luke Brown] James Tynion IV: Backstagers & Detective Comics [ Tara Marie] Gerard Way: Young Animals: Cave Carson Has a Cybernetic Eye & Doom Patrol [Tara Marie]
>First Place: Tom King The Vision, Omega Men, Sheriff of Babylon, Batman
>2nd Place:Ryan North Jughead, Unbeatable Squirrel Girl Beats Up the Marvel Universe
>3rd Place:G. Willow Wilson Ms. Marvel , Ms. Marvel Civil War II tie in
>4th Place: Marguerite Bennett: DC Bombshells, Angela Queen of Hel, Insexts
The only person who should be up there is Tom, really. Willow is a good writer, but the current Ms. Marvel arc has been weak, and the other two writers are a fucking joke.
James Flores
Just a bunch of tumblr mediocre artists and writters, wow go figure, I'm outraged and shit.
Its embarrasing how that site barely gets comments, the facebook page barely gets comments, twitter, etc.
This page has to be some advertsement scam paid by Marvel, people don't seem to give a shit anymore and yet the site gets awards out of nowhere at some point, with tons and tons of ZERO comments articles
Joshua White
>Chelsea Cain: Mockingbird
It's literally an affirmative action position. Mockingbird has barely a few redeeming qualities and It's hard for me to think of any reason for it to be on the list other than the controversy around it.
That said, I'm happy that my boy al Ewing made it. Sort of.
Jace Diaz
>Backstagers and detective comics Did anyone even read backstagers? Like did it do well in sales and simply isn't talked here?
Christian Wilson
After all this time I still can't see the outrage over Mockingbird as anything other than Internet male butthurt.
Ryder Miller
nd Place:Ryan North
Caleb Garcia
Only Way and King are good from that list.
Leo Thompson
>Comics Alliance gayest writers of 2016. Fixed.
Ayden Parker
The outrage was mostly unwarranted, I bet that half the people who complained only saw that cover. However, If I was a mockingbird fan I'd be quite mad that a writer so shamelessly altered her story just to pander to her ideas and display her warped notion of a "strong female character"
Cooper Bennett
Wait Ryan North didn't write Jughead
Mason White
He did. The Sabrina arc.
Logan Brooks
(((critics)))
Surprised they aren't getting jobs to review movies. They have about the same legitimacy and taste.
Luke Jackson
well how bout that
Xavier Cook
> Kelly Thompson > writes for bleedingcool and is friends or at least associated with other industry news sites. > getting any kind of award for her actual comic writing
Conflict of Interest...
Jackson Powell
Comic Alliance.
I'm surprised they couldn't find some way to shove Kate Leth in there. They're always shilling for her.
Samuel Lee
Uh wow, are you from Gamergate or something?? You're not supposed to complain about ethics!
William Wright
She has a column on Comic Book Resources.
You know who else had a column on Comic Book Resources? Warren Ellis.
(Or was that Garth Ennis? I know it's one or the other.)
Hudson Hughes
Well as a person who never read another Mockingbird comic before I couldn't gice a rat's ass about her bullshit comic book "backstory" in comics from fucking decades ago.
Luis Collins
It's not that it was changed, it's that it was changed into something dumber and that the psycho writers think it's empowering.
Logan Hernandez
I'd hate for any self-respecting fairly critical reader to get intoduced to modern comics through this list.
Imagine someone who generally reads goods books, ones that are well-written, thought-provoking, brave, genuine, with truly interesting ideas and execution. Then said person picks up a comic: the new Cain Mockingbird trade. What a horrible, horrible introduction to comics. A mediocrely written story with no interesting ideas or execution, with no genuine heart, cleverness, or respect for the characters. A shame for the reader, a shame for comics, and a shame for anyone who considers this a worthwhile story.
Cain, on the off chance you're reading this: please never write comics again. I'm not saying this as a blind hater or a """troll""", I just offer honest feedback. You write nothing of true value, you contribute nothing interesting, meaningful or worthwhile to comics. In fact, I'd say you make everything worse. If you want to try something new or genuinely interesting, then fine. Do it. But otherwise, please do not create anything similar to Mockingbird ever again. I don't want to call you a disgrace, because that would imply you created something something other than pure and sad mediocrity.
Christopher Johnson
Ellis. Ennis doesn't even have an internet presence apart from an email.
Joseph Garcia
At least the best (white) man won.
Jaxson Hughes
I like North, I really do, but to suggest that he is one of the best writers of the year is a fucking joke.
King and Wilson are cool even if the recent Ms. Marvel issues have been a little lackluster. I feel like Bennett is a writer I could like if she'd just stop trying to do 4th wall humor because it is not her forte.
Ayden Perry
>Imagine someone who generally reads goods books, ones that are well-written, thought-provoking, brave, genuine, with truly interesting ideas and execution. Then I wouldn't single out Mockingbird specifically as being unworthy.
In the first place, I wouldn't recommend modern Marvel or DC at all.
Carson Myers
He has a Facebook. It was how people knew his words on Steve Dillon's passing.
Ryder Diaz
The CA shortlist does a disproportionately high amount of Marvel and DC. The rest is IDW and Boom. Fucking NOTHING from Image! And don't get me started on other publishers!
I expected better from CA.
Ian Rogers
Umm, but ComicsAlliance is the only Sup Forums approved comic book news site???
Aiden Morris
By those standards every comic writer but obtuse shut ins like Moore would be barred.
And even he has a heavy presence with tcj and shit
Caleb Kelly
Nah, That's Bleeding Cool
Josiah Taylor
This is a really limited list. Do they only do Marvel/DC comics?
John Phillips
Even Image is out. I wouldn't recommend monthly serialized action-genre comics at all to someone looking for comics on the level of "good" books.
I mean, I enjoy those comics, and that person might enjoy them too. But they aren't what I'd use to justify the medium.
Charles Bailey
Despite this being ironic, there tastes line up really well.
Hypercrisis shit, gushing over DC Rebirth, King, Way,Johns, Ewing and Morrisob
Landon Watson
I don't read either of those. I get all my news from TCJ.
But I don't claim to speak for any person on Sup Forums other than myself.
Logan Gomez
>Chelsea Cain: Mockingbird[Elle Collins] >Al Ewing: New Avengers & Ultimates[Alex Spencer] >Steve Orlando: Midnighter & Supergirl [Elle Collins] >Kelly Thompson:Jem and The Holograms [Luke Brown] >James Tynion IV: Backstagers & Detective Comics [ Tara Marie] >Gerard Way: Young Animals: Cave Carson Has a Cybernetic Eye & Doom Patrol [Tara Marie] So all the Critics Picks is basically Tumblr: The Nomination. Good to know.
Owen Foster
The most tumblr of that list is Orlando becasue he'd bi and Cain Becasue of Mockingshitstorm how are Way or Ewing tumblr?
Isaac Martinez
>Bennet even in that list Fucking how?
Joshua Thomas
You know, most of what DC and Marvel publish on a weekly basis is far, faaaaaar below the quality of Mockingbird. But you don't see anybody on this board dismissing the writers of those comics with the level of sheer unfiltered hatred and bile like what's in your post.
Because, you see, when a MAN writes something you don't like, its just another day in capeshit. But when god forbid a WOMAN writes something you don't like, why, THAT is an affront to the medium and an abomination like no other!
You know, Brian Michael Bendis wrote a steaming pile of garbage with Civil War II. Dan Slott is frequently derided as a hack on Sup Forums. But I've never, EVER seen anybody on this board post about either of those people in the tone and with the vitriol that you directed at Chelsea Cain for having the nerve to write a comic book about Mockingbird. Shit, I've never seen people using this kind of language against Zack fucking Snyder! On any board!
Sexism is real, man. And its posts like yours that are proof.
You suck.
John Powell
>Bennett: Angela QoH, Insexts Fuck off, Tumblr. Those books aren't good. You only like them because you think lesbians need to be everywhere.
Just the third issue, man. The rest of the book made some offhanded references to sjw nonsense but it didn't focus on it at all.
Joseph Miller
Except Image comics are from all kinds of genres.
Jackson Ross
Tumblr love MCR and Ewing is the designated diversiteam writer
Ryder Bennett
Probably this. This got the most claim an adoration out of the stuff that have happened in Bombshells
Aiden Sanchez
A dozen genres and they're all about fight scenes.
Wyatt Perez
>outrage There was none.
When the final issue came out, it retconned the title character into an adulterer, treating her now-former rapist (and murder victim) like a weird ex.
Cain, the book, and Marvel were starting to get heat for this, and went on the offensive. Cain deletes her twitter due to almost nonexistent sexist comments and there's tons of "news" articles attributing it to the issue's cover.
Marvel's mastery of the spin is what allows them to be so terrible.
Andrew Gonzalez
You must not have been on Sup Forums very long
Easton Torres
The two most popular Image comics aren't even action-focused
Jason Anderson
Fandom gets irate when an outsider barges in and demands a bunch of changes to be made to make them feel more welcome, and that's exactly what she was trying to do. Has nothing to do with her being a woman, there have been bad books written by female writers who don't get it any worse than bad books written by male writers.
Justin Foster
Ummmm, why am I like typing like a valley girl???
Owen Harris
Look I get that opinions are mixed on Mockingbird (I liked it but apparently there are folks with an axe to grind) but Midnighter is legit good, why you gotta slam it just because Orlando fucks dudes?
Also Tynion is in no way Tumblr because he's a haaaack.
Well complain about diversity all you want but Ewing's fucking good, son. If you aren't reading New Avengers you're a chump.
Jack Cook
The very CONCEPT of "outsiders" existing is a symptom reason why comicbook fandoms are cancerous shit heaps
Cooper Murphy
They're filled to the brim with running, jumping, hiding, punching, shooting, all sorts of action.
Just about every comic they have is simplistic Good Guys versus Bad Guys action stories. Comics that break the mold like Island or Minimum Wage are very rare indeed at Image.
Charles Jones
Just about every form of fiction has good guys vs bad guys dude
Austin Reyes
What changes were being "demanded"? I'm not trying to cause a shitstorm, I just read the book, thought it was okay but revolutionary, then read that apparently some people got up in arms about a cover gag of all things? The only thing I could see that was being "changed" is that they retconned an old issue of West Coast Avengers from being about Phantom Rider ghost-drugging Bobbi into loving him into being about Bobbi willfully cheating on Hawkeye, which seems fairly innocuous.
Christopher Hall
Who was the bad guy in Minimum Wage?
Isaiah Foster
Oh there was outrage my friend, was your internet down for a few weeks or something?
Hudson Scott
It retconned a rape to being consensual . But it got big becasue a lot of the usual idiots harrased her online and it blew up
Jayden Hall
That's just human society at large, not something specific to comics fandoms
Saga and Walking Dead are more focused around the characters, just because they HAVE action doesn't make the action the focus
Chase Ortiz
If you're not already part of a group, you're an outsider to that group. She made the claim that female heroes didn't exist until recently and turned a hero into a horrible person because she hates the idea of a fictional woman having been raped in a story that until now had become nothing more than wiki-trivia.
Justin Harris
They're made for audiences that would refuse to read those comics if they didn't have that action.
Jason Ward
...
Landon Young
Ok? That doesn't make them action-focused
Lincoln Gray
I guess I get it? But Jesus, taking a story from the fucking 80s that nobody's cared about since... well... the 80s, and recontextualizing it to give the female character more agency in her own book doesn't seem like something to get up in arms about. Besides, they still kept Bobbi killing Slade canon and the incident being grounds for her and Clint's divorce canon. It just seems like such a bullshit thing to get mad about, but then I guess I haven't been reading comics long enough to really throw a shitfit. Like, no one threw near as much of a hissyfit when Bendis retconned basically the entire Venom symbiote's history in GotG, and people actually CARE about Venom! (though for why I can't tell you)
Joshua Smith
Have they ever read a book that wasn't big two?
Nathaniel Wilson
>not getting your comic news solely from Sup Forums I used to go on CBR and Outhousers once a week, but I think just checking this board a couple times a day will get me all I need to know
Julian Lopez
>recontextualizing it to give the female character more agency in her own book That's a weird way of saying "she made Mockingbird the type of person who would lie about having been raped to save face." >no one threw near as much of a hissyfit when Bendis retconned basically the entire Venom symbiote's history in GotG I see you don't post in symbiote threads. Also, while annoying, that isn't anywhere near the level of character-assassination.
Ryan Sullivan
A horrible person? Because of adultery? God man, I'm sorry about your parents' divorce, but if cheating on a lover is enough to strip someone of hero status, then Big Two comics may not be for you, since I think the list of heroes who haven't been caught sleeping around is pretty damn short.
Wyatt Moore
>self-respecting fairly critical reader Luckily, 99% of the big 2 audience isn't either of those things!
Isaiah Lopez
No, the very serious lie.
Jace Parker
Well, I suppose that's more of a subjective difference of opinion.
My original point is that if someone was a literature buff like described, I'd direct them moreso towards Fantagraphics and Drawn & Quarterly than towards Image or the Big Two as their introduction to comics.
So singling out Mockingbird just feels disingenuous when pretty much ALL the mainstream content isn't what they're looking for.
Anthony Hernandez
Adultery by itself, no. But adultery then murdering the person you slept with to cover it up THEN lying about being raped to justify the murder, that makes you a bad person
Owen Fisher
dude she killed the guy to cover it up and basically tore up Bobbi's rape survivor status and pretty much said rape victims are weak.
Caleb Ramirez
Except she's not lying. That's what a retcon is. She WAS raped in the 80s... but now she wasn't because now the new story says she wasn't. ~THAT'S COMICS!~ I mean you don't have to like it, that's your prerogative, but that's just how the game is played. The same way Deadpool had like 3 different origins before the current story says "No he was always Wade Wilson and any contradictions were because of extremely powerful drugs"
Noah Ward
That's not how retcon work at all
Dominic Taylor
Well, Transformers MTMTE won "best sci-fi comic of 2016" and it's been dogshit for a year and a half, so I don't put any stock in these.
Jeremiah Fisher
>I see you don't post in symbiote threads
Oh god why.
Charles Williams
Reexplain it to me then because I always thought it was "New story paves over old one with similar but slight change" which is what this Mockingbird debacle sounds like
Camden Perez
It has nothing to do with the fact she's a woman. She did a poor job writing a story with a decently established comic character. I'm not trying to discuss wider implications or what this means about sexism in comics or whatever. I'm talking about an individual writer who I personally and strongly believe didn't do a particularly meaningful or good job.
I've fallen for the bait, haven't I
Caleb Reed
She says something along the lines of "Our marriage ended because Clint knew deep-down that I wasn't really raped because I'm too strong for that" that is, she told him she was raped and he divorced her because he didn't believe her explanation.
>putting Henderson anywhere fucking NEAR Samnee's level When will this meme end? Are people really that blind to her inadequacies as an artist? >With her work on Unbeatable Squirrel Girl, Erica Henderson has basically ruined the character for every other artist. The costume, the jawline, the way her facial expressions exude the same good-heartedness and generosity as the book itself… When Doreen appears in any other book now, it just doesn’t feel like her, and that is the highest compliment. Henderson doesn’t just draw her characters; she defines them. [Alex Spencer]
L E L
Angel Parker
Alright motherfucker LET'S GO
Cameron Moore
He's the only Mahvel writer that gets my attention anymore but some of his LGBT stuff is pretty hamfisted senpai. 'Member Avengers #0?
Camden Ramirez
It was a pretty good list until Erica Henderson holy shit
Easton Carter
A depiction of Alex Spencer.
Jaxon Carter
>Ewing, Way, and King Yeah
>Orlando, Tynion Eh
>everyone else fuck off
Hunter Davis
I am actively angry about this
Charles Gonzalez
>You know, most of what DC and Marvel publish on a weekly basis is far, faaaaaar below the quality of Mockingbird. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
Gavin Young
>picks Agreed about Thompson, Ewing, Tnion and Wa. Didin't read Mockingbird.
>places Yes No Yes Yes
Cameron Lee
I wrote , and I think you brought up a good point. I'll admit my post was a bit of a mess, with no focus.
I suppose I'm saying that Mockingbird is not a good piece of writing, even for """mainstream""" comics. There are general objective markers of quality for any piece of writing, and I'd strongly argue that Mockingbird did not reach that. I'm wouldn't even say I described a literature buff, just someone who can acknowledge and appreciate objectively good writing. My point is that that kind of person would be very dissatisfied with Cain's Mockingbird.
Jeremiah Martin
Ewing and Orlando are probably the only writers on the big 2 today that can write diversity without it feeling like a bunch of bricks to the face.
Josiah Foster
It's alright, mate. I don't think Mockingbird is a travesty like you do, but I can appreciate where you're coming from.
Kayden Jones
Can someone explain to me why Erica Henderson is so widely """"""praised""""""? I don't get it and I'd like to understand. What about her art is so "good"?
Like, see, I get why Samnee is good. Not only does he draws figures well, he's excellent with pacing, movement, action, light, panelling, general page weight, balance and structure. Anyone can learn a something meaningful and valuable from Samnee's sequential art.
Adam Cox
She's friends with the critics and she's """stylized"""
Chase Morales
She's bad at realism, bad at detailing, bad at action, but good at conveying feelings and emotional content. Some people are looking for that in their comics. It's a matter of individual preference.
Luke Moore
It's not that she's bad at realism (because that's not what she's aiming for), it's that she lacks a solid understanding of fundamentals. And when you cartoon as stylistically as she does without knowing the rules first, it shows
Josiah Anderson
Thanks, man. I appreciate you for not berating me for having an opinion and hearing me out. Cheers.
Luke Flores
>Ryan North >Higher than Wilson
Jeremiah Bailey
>Comics Alliance you lot deserve it
Brayden Fisher
People were salty as fuck about the issue before, the one with the tampon line.
You could turn the Great Lakes brackish with the salt Sup Forums produced that wednesday.