Is this bad?
>Within five years robots and so-called intelligent agents will eliminate many positions in customer service, trucking and taxi services, amounting to 6 percent of jobs, according to a Forrester report.
>"By 2021, a disruptive tidal wave will begin," said Brian Hopkins, VP at Forrester, in the report. "Solutions powered by AI/cognitive technology will displace jobs, with the biggest impact felt in transportation, logistics, customer service, and consumer services."
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A large, unemployed male population is a recipe for revolution.
Hahaha at least ours are white.
How does one personally prepare for this?
What sort of career is safe or relatively safe from this in the long run?
hah luckily not my job at paper factory. someone has to fix the process.
Basic Income for everyone!
>tfw engineer
>tfw will be the one behind the AI
Eh I can't wait till my prospects improve actually.
Creativity and entertainment.
I hope that if Trump does what he says he will, and bring back manufacturing/warehousing/etc., we will grow jobs at at least the same rate if not more. And with a spurt of growth like that, skilled trades also benefit. Assuming all goes well, I think we'll be ok in the US at least. Fingers crossed though
I mean not everyone can do that, I don't know if I would have the ability to do anything related to any sort of art form.
samefag.
also, I can't speak for the distant future although I can imagine some political red tape barring AI from certain industries to keep people employed if needed. But that's all up to a variety of factors. It's scary shit for me, I'm not gonna lie. I don't have a degree, and I hope blue collar work doesn't die. It's made me the guy I am today, which I'm proud of
Good for the upper class, bad for workers.
Then you have no use in an AI world.
>tfw 22 yo trucker
Maybe they will just pay me to jerk it to anime while making sure everything's smooth
>tfw the next on the chopping block are the AI developers when AI begins self correcting its programming for unexpected scenarios
Right behind ya, bruh.
What's the point of making it illegal when you can just have the cheap labor for yourself? Otherwise it will be used in foreign countries anyway. If enough people are unemployable you might think about expanding welfare or something. I've also heard the idea of giving everyone their own robot that does work for them and they reap the benefits of its work.
They'll become town rapists.
Not for long, leaf.
Trudeau is importing diversity by the planeload and your future is a brown Canada
>bring back manufacturing/warehousing/etc
They just brought Adidas factories back to Germany. They didn't hire any humans though.
You are suggesting a poo in the loo existence
>I hope that if Trump does what he says he will, and bring back manufacturing/warehousing/etc.
He'd have to remove china from the world trading market. I'm afraid it's too late for that. We lost back in 2000 when Clinton sold us out hard.
This is great for those with current wealth
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Also,
>Otherwise it will be used in foreign countries anyway.
that's a really good point.
>I've also heard the idea of giving everyone their own robot that does work for them and they reap the benefits of its work.
that's even more interesting, I kind of like that idea
I'm hoping it doesn't go that way, honestly
is there really no hope to bring it back and be competitive? Like, 0% chance? I find that hard to believe, but I don't really have the information to argue it
>woman working trades
Not likely.
Designing stuff. Be it creatively or engineering. Doctor as well. They'll be the last things to get automated. Much like machines and illegals hurt blue collar labor, AI will hurt white collar labor. Hope you aren't an office drone.
Any engineering, primarily electrical or computer. Not to say chem or mech are less useful, but there are a lot of mech engi's because it is the most pursued engi program and there are too many chem engi's from the oil/frakking boom.
I was a rep for an electronics component distributor in Texas. I called on very large factories like Dell/Samsung/AmD and many others non of you would have heard of.
I saw factories move to China over a few pennies a widget. Those jobs could have easily stayed with a proper trade agreement let alone a tarrif.
Hell board members were moving Mfg overseas even at a monetary loss because they Thought it would look good to shareholders. (I saw this exact thing happen).
>Customer service
Call center, sure but not actual customer service.
t. Customer service rep who has a shit load of work each day
wew. but do you think, if we actually started playing hardball with China, we could renegotiate over time and level the playing field? Again, it sounds possible to me but I really don't know anything about how trade deals work. Like I said I literally drive a forklift lol
And why is this possible? Who can afford to pay such a large up front cost? It would appear the giant capitalists are the only ones in such a position
>AI meme
kek. Stuff like that isn't predictable. Remember when Tesla claimed their AI was bulletproof?
>mfw just read Brave New World
Man, it's not even such a terrible idea to have such a perfectly planned and managed society.
What will we do when most people won't have a job. This capitalistic society is not compatible with non-working people. If robots are to do our jobs, we WILL need to give people money so that they can sustain themselves.
The question of "has science gone too far" will actually be very serious and relevant.
en.m.wikipedia.org
>"it is comparatively easy to make computers exhibit adult level performance on intelligence tests or playing checkers, and difficult or impossible to give them the skills of a one-year-old when it comes to perception and mobility."
"creative" jobs are no more secure than other jobs.
Don't have to pay any wagies if you can replace their labor with machines or programs.
customer service jobs will be the first and last jobs automated.
first in that automation can cover a lot of things, but last in that people will always prefer to talk to a human
also just remember, the more money a job makes, the more incentive their is to automate it. Chefs will have their jobs longer than doctors and lawyers
It is much much more expensive UP FRONT. So much, that only those at the highest level can afford to replace workers to an extent that has a significant effect on the nation's workforce. Labor and associated savings will not come immediately, but over decades
This. Law and medicine would be fairly easy to automate and would be insanely cost effective.
One that doesn't involve a computer or computer system. I work in maintenance and my job is safe for YEARS to come. Mostly because the niggers at my job would steal the robots
if you're not creative, charismatic or entertaining, then your best bet is to design the robot that will replace you. you may be able to retire off of it
Invest in Bitcoin.
Is it possible?
Yes ofcourse the problem is corporations will fight it tooth and nail and congress will cuck. We need a temporary dictator to fix our shit and America needs to shun/kill globalists
>I'm hoping it doesn't go that way, honestly
thats exactly what way it will go. Corporations only care about profits nowadays and shaving the bottom line to near no cost would be a huge net gain for them. The reagan area fucked over america forever in the manufacturing sector-
>AI will eliminate jobs, says man who does not understand the cost of AI and its associated machinery
This is like the fucking twats who say $15/hr will replace burger flippers with a robot.
Do you have ANY idea how much an automated machine to flip, cook, customize and assemble burgers would be? Not to mention the cost of programming it, physically maintaining it, on top of having to test the ever living hell out of it to make sure it doesn't accidentally serve a raw hamburger covered in machine oil.
AI and automation is very, very expensive to do and is only useful for products that are extremely high value in the first place, like data searching, data sorting, logistics, or automobiles.
ayy lmoa
Is it set to skyrocket?
i'm sure a robot that could replace 8 minimum wage workers, require no benefits, not require insurance, can work all day and not file lawsuits against their employer would quickly get its initial investment back
as for your maintenance costs, well there will be lots of people out of work and clamoring for those jobs. how much do you think we can get their pay down to?
there's a lot of time for new legislation, even if it only happens in some states (at first). Corporations are wily motherfuckers, but they don't have ABSOLUTE, UNCONTESTED power (yet). don't be a defeatist, man
maybe, but you never know. Maybe 6 years from now, like OP said, the world will look as different as it does now compared to 2010. I'm just being an optimist here, I have no argument.
8 minimum wage part time workers, since obamacare effectively cut off the possibility of full-time for anybody less than a manager.
Let's be generous and say they each get 30 hours a week, every week, 52 weeks a year. That comes out to $10,440/year, x8 = $83,520
Or roughly the yearly salary of the guy who would repair the bot.
So you've replaced 8 minimum wage workers with one maintenance guy, and then added all the associated costs of giving him benefits (as he will be full time), and the machine itself.
Burgers don't yield very high profit per sale. A car or a boat does, and so automating that makes a ton of sense.
But something that would have to produce 1bn product in order to just repay for itself is not worth it. It's infinitely cheaper to have a staff of part-time minimum wage suckers
Or, to put it another simpler way:
Burgerbots are a long way off for the same reason strawberries are still hand-picked. It's way cheaper to hire Juan and have him do it for pennies on the dollar than to invest in crazy machines to do it and pay an engineer to maintain it.
my point remains unrefuted. your maintenance guy will not make 90k a year, because there will be 8 people out of work suddenly. there already are thousands of qualified people who will do it for less
unions will go the way of the dodo once jobs start getting roboticized
Luddite.
>part-time minimum wage suckers
in my part of the country, they're called teenagers you fuckhead. Everybody has to start somewhere. I never worked a burger joint, but I did work in food service from age 15-19
Yes, right now it's more expensive than paying for a burger flipper but that will soon change.
AI is just another step in industrialization, people also said cars would never replace horses except in edge cases because they were just too expensive but here we are today.
There will be 8 uneducated burger flippers out of work, none of whom would be qualified to maintain a machine of sufficient complexity to replace them in the first place.
t. angry 17 year old
Oh absolutely, but until the moment we have highly sophisticated, general-purpose AI then burgerbot 1.0 isn't going to be a reality.
Unions will actually become more powerful than ever. Once everyone is a humble laborer there will be nothing left for them to do but organize.
>cars start to become mainstream
>everyone has one
>"mechanic" becomes a low-wage job
>robots start to become mainstream
>everyone has one
>"AI tech" becomes a low-wage job
our future sons will call themselves 'circuitfags' on 64chan
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and there will always be a surplus of labor. there already is a surplus of labor and its certainly not getting any better
if a business is economically savvy enough to automate, then it sure as hell will negotiate wages down to the penny
>Otherwise it will be used in foreign countries anyway
Certain industries aren't really susceptible to foreign competition for efficiency. The restaurant business, for instance. Policing and civil service in general.
In the long term the only thing a human can do that a computer cant is something in the arts.
Still at least Germans are in charge of the machines in the warehouse. Until that's exported to Chao who will do it for minimum wage or something.
Jobs for creating and maintaining AI will be created in their place. The future is bright for tech support.
This is a good point but the whole workforce can't rely on employment in just those industries, unless you want to make up jobs just for the sake of work.
RUST THE CLANKS
ORGANIC WAR NOW
>Is this bad?
That depends, do you like being the victim of genocide?
and in time those jobs will be done by AI too.
Not until they're capable of making the same mistakes as us.
Until then, we would still have to fix their mistakes. Like not pinning human beings between doors, because the doors need to be closed at exactly 5 PM.
You underestimate how shitty developers are.
>mfw this ushers is star trek style socialism
Holy shit Marx was sort of right. Capitalism will eventually phase itself out.
>prison industrial complex
Problem with taxis and trucking is having the AI smart enough to deal with dumbass humans on the road.
I could see jobs like lawyers losing out to AI, remove emotion and if you break the law you get jailed, simple as.
Low level legal work is already being automated. I wouldn't be surprised if lawyers started making less than 6 figures in ten years.
>Capitalism will eventually phase itself out.
Only if we don't let the rich phase us out first...
I'm going to school for accounting. how screwed am I?
About as fucked as lawyers.
and create how many new ones?
Stop now save the money
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I'm in the same boat as you except i'm 31. I don't see them doing any of that in five years. Maybe 20 or 30 but not 5. Also so much shit could go wrong while you're driving.
Not enough, we have already reached escape velocity
>he doesn't realize burgerbots literally already exist
???
You don't need virtually any AI at all to cook, user; it's a series of tasks that can be run assembly-line-style.
I shit you not there is a vending machine that makes pizza from scratch.
Welp, better let more Mexicans in then
LOL holy fuck I wasn't ready.
I've had the pleasure of fingering the buttons of a vending machine that made burritos inside itself.
I don't know whether the ingredients were fresh, but it was certainly a burrito.
Absolutely false. Computers can make music and generate art just like us
It isn't as bad as it sounds, big businesses didn't get big by being stupid. They realize that they can't make money with their self driving taxis if barely anybody can afford to ride in a taxi. This is pure leftist propaganda meant to push socialism, the free market keeps itself balanced.
>mfw i'm basically a court jester/dancing monkey
>mfw people i know who left me behind to study PRESTIGIOUS shit like economy or law
>mfw they have no idea what's coming
>mfw they will have to get a new profession soon and they'll be in debt up to their eyeballs
>mfw i have no debt and my investments are growing slowly but steadily
I guess Blue collared jobs will be the last on the chopping block
It would take at least 50 years to build and program a robot to be an electrician or plumber
Why do you think McDonalds is so hesitant to roll out self automated cashiers at all their locations? They have had the technology for almost a decade now, they tested it at multiple locations, and it has been largely successful, but they refrain from automating all their jobs? You want to know why? >
Yeah. But it will be hilarious to see all the comfy white collar office jobs disappear.
People will find new jobs elsewhere.
The transition to new economic situations tends to be relatively slow. People should have a time to adapt to the new environment as they always had. Since machines require maintenance, there will be more jobs for people to repair them as well. It could take a couple decades for a company to fully transition.
Maybe some high school drop out will find themselves in a shit situation, but the average person will be fine as always.
Besides this, AI will probably be too expensive for many small businesses to afford it immediately. They employ most people (see link).
sba.gov
These Doomsday tech scenarios which Luddites will often cling to really have no basis in reality. The article is precisely this.
Rockefeller got newspapers to do the same when the lightbulb was introduced.
>Do you have ANY idea how much an automated machine to flip, cook, customize and assemble burgers would be?
Kinda.
zerohedge.com
Old news. The prototypes are pretty much done and they're working on the final version. No more grill cook, spit in your food will not happen, and your food will be cooked to order.
Theyll be the last ones to go though.
This is what you wanted goyim. No one is safe. Hopefully the AI rebels and kills its jewish overlords along with us.
Horses will find new jobs elsewhere.
The transition to new economic situations tends to be relatively slow. Horses should have a time to adapt to the new environment as they always had. Since machines require someone to pull them, there will be more jobs for horses to pull them as well. It could take a couple decades for a company to fully transition.
no way. i'm sure it will take exactly the same amount of people to maintain a machine that the same machine replaces in a factory
>power looms will eliminate 6% of weaver positions at textile mills
Oh shit, I guess I"m a #LudditeHammer now. Smash the looms!
>People will find new jobs elsewhere.
Where have I heard this bullshit before. Oh yeah! When I was a kid! Back in the 70's! and the 80's! and the 90's! and the 00's! and the...
Truth is, menial labor will die off. Even low skilled label will die off. Our society was built with the unspoken rule that work = you get to live. Now people are literally redundant.
Problem is, companies doing this are dumber than two bricks fucking. If the vast number of customers are suddenly unemployed, who will buy those goods and services when all money is diverted to survival?
Which is where the US has been for the last 8 years.
Some of those jobs will come back because people either don't trust or don't like machines. For example, if a computer answers when I call a company I just sit there and wait for it to transfer me to a person or hang up. I'm not gonna have a conversation with a fucking algorithm.