Does Newgrounds deserve to survive?

Does Newgrounds deserve to survive?

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with YouTube around, it doesn't really have a place in the world anymore.

Do any of us?

Sometimes I still play Toss the Turtle

>tfw Youtube will never be replaced like gifs to webms

it's going to happen. If disney could stumble and almost fall, then youtube can too. They already operate at a loss and twitch already has them by the ropes when it comes to gaming.

There is too much on there to ever backup. If its going down, I'd rather have it go down before I have time to try to save anything. There's too many memories.

Look, man, if this place is somehow alive, then any website on the internet should survive.

dubs of truth

yea it deserve to survive but first they have to make themselves relevant to animators and make seperate site for porn animation

True, but outside of gaming, noting can come close to doing what YouTube does or get anywhere near as many people.

Newgrounds and it's community hasn't shown any good reasons to "survive" over the years, other than being the 2nd best alternative to YouTube for animators(#1 alternative is Vimeo). Whatever happens, happens. Also, why hasn't anyone made a new alternative website for animations? These bitches have the time and effort to make mediocre games, yet they pray for a new website once every blue moon. The only people that did create their own website(SleepyCast, TheJamCave, etc) only set them up for their small cliques.

I guess it doesn't matter, anyone that did animations and expected loads of money from advertisements was a chump from the get-go. Most of the people that left both NG and YT due to poor ad revenue turned out to be snakes and/or degenerates anyway.

Is that what you kids are calling it these days

is vimeo good for animators i thought vidme was going to be the next thing if youtube cater to big corporation

>i thought vidme was going to be the next thing if youtube cater to big corporation
Big youtubers are all talk, they claim they're going to do something but it never happens. The only time they go through with something is when it's petty as fuck. An example would be:
-Video game rant/events
-Forming hate mobs
-Desperately trying to earn subscribers when they're at 100k+ sub's
-etc

>vidme
Eww.

Google blocked them from their ad network so they can't afford to support the animators through ad rev share anywhere near youtubes already pitiful amount.

whats wrong with vidme? also you never answered my question about vimeo

>>Google blocked them from their ad network so they can't afford to support the animators
>tfw you realize all those animators you thought were the shit in years ago were a bunch of hacks that were only in it for the chump change
>mfw all the true animators that stayed are 350.99% better than the old farts, in it for the love of the craft, and have nice(r) attitudes towards everyone
YouTube screwing over animators was a blessing in disguise. Fuck out of here with your garbage, time to make the REAL animators shine.

What's this webm from?

I'm making a killing doing porn animations with simple SFM, so things are good.

Oh, no no no. That was directed at those (YouTube)ad revenue dicks. There's nothing wrong with what I'm assuming are commissions, donations, and/or patreon. I've seen most of those animations, some of you guys are alright.

What's wrong with youtube animations as revenue vs patreon?

>whats wrong with vidme?
Go to the website, open up Chrome's console, and behold.

>never answered my question about vimeo
My bad. Vimeo itself is a decent platform itself, but I've noticed the majority of animators in the industry tend to post their works there. You can also find some amazing unfinished bts animations from official cartoon movies unlike YT for some strange reason. Also it seems like the go to place for a lot of animation students to post their WIPs and thesis films. It's simple, but nice. Great for inspiration.

>What's wrong with youtube animations as revenue vs patreon?
As of now, nothing really. This is going back to when everyone, especially the YT animation community, complained about the new algorithm for videos. When I saw all those animators stop working, I knew right away they were fake, only in it for the money. I've had Adsence in the past before that update dropped, and I can tell you that shit didn't pay well at all. But, the only reason they stayed all those years is because they believed that creating animations to earn 1m+ views would be a payday for them.

Even then, it didn't pay that much, just enough to keep them interested though. When they saw the amount of income drop, they bounced and hopped on to ANY project to help get their new fix(a good example is most of them immediately becoming Let's Players). There's nothing wrong with making money, but it's kind of sucked to find out all those "animators" you looked up to over the years were only in it for the money.

Patreon? Unlike old YT animators, these animators are usually superb in their crafts and have been practicing for years, something old YT animators lacked -- fucking practice. Fuck them, their "styles" and they're unfunny parodies, its been done to death. Sorry for the slow responses, postng on a phone.

You do realize that there's bills to pay and that the amount of time it takes to make one animation is quite high?

They literally either had to do that or drop out and find something else to pay bills.

I am one of these said youtube animators who still does it today.

>>Big youtubers are all talk, they claim they're going to do something but it never happens.

>Every time YT does some shady shit YouTubers are complain about it and claim they're moving to vimeo or dailymotion or some other video hosting website
>never leaves

Fuck, if you hate making YouTube chump change, get a job. I'm not gonna say Youtube isn't a job, since you get paid for the videos you make but what's the point of living off youtube money if the company is constantly screwing you over

Doing something for money doesn't mean you're a "fake".

i get what user trying to say since most of the animators make something that good for a one watch but they do want to make money as well an make internet animation a thing since not everyone can get in the industry or want to independent

the way some of these youtubers spend their money like mason and expensive cars seeing them complain is like a billionaire complaining about living like a millionaire

also want to be a porn animator animating fanfics and comics

>You do realize the amount of time it takes to make one animation is quite high?
I know. I just don't understand why they have to give up on the craft entirely. But then again, it was probably for the best, none of their works was improving, and they all had to use memes or references just to make a joke. They could have gotten a job and done their animations on the side. But nah, they wanna hop on any bandwagon that (they believe) will pay well.

>You do realize that there's bills to pay
I understand, nothing wrong with that. I thought it sucked most of them were never in it for love. I shouldn't care about what other people do with their time, I know, but it was kind of depressing to see them all drop like that. Also I doubt they had any bills to pay at the time, some(spaz, oney, HDD, etc) admitted to living with their parents at the time(nothing wrong with that unless you're a NEET).

Looking back and seeing all those shitty parodies kind of gave off that vibe to me, seeing how most of them never improved their fundamentals, just wanted to get out the next animation as soon as possible to get that shiny dime. Like I said, once the algorithm changed, most of them went off to other projects they thought would be a gold mine. LPs for example.

Quality>Quantity
I hate to say it, but I take art waaay to serious.

Animation takes more time than any regular >art.

Animation even on youtube NEVER earned enough $, even back when cpm wasnt broken. People dumping daily videos were still earning far more, and then the problem was compounded by watch time.

Instead it went from starving animators to nearly no animators on youtube.

Hell both frederator and mondo are folding liek lawn chairs as well, with frederator pulling out of animation altogether and doing click baits to stay afloat (they fired 2/3 of the workers this summer because they couldn't afford to pay them).

Years ago, you would've been right. However YouTube lately has been very negligent towards indie creators that don't produce clickbaity content, let's plays and vlogs. Animators, especially new ones, don't stand a chance to get any attention on modern YouTube.

Any tip for a new animators user I like work on my fanfic

I keep getting on the fence of whether I should make LPs. Sure I could make more money, but I don't want to be an Internet personality, and I'm not really much of a gamer anymore and gotten rusty since I spend all my time animating.

I would much prefer to just keep animating. I barely make anything, and can't afford my own place, (and being on Channel Awesome didn't turn out great now that Blip is gone) but l love doing it. I just wish more people saw my work. I just wish I can churn out more stuff faster, but it's impossible to live up to what YouTube expects from you.

Some advice to any animators here: livestream your production process. That does help a little.

You're kinda late to try to get into the LP game. The competition for that is obscene.

>Animation even on youtube NEVER earned enough $, even back when cpm wasnt broken.
That's true, mentioned that back in . But it did pay a decent amount for people that got over one million views on a video only to keep them around. But due to how long animation takes, there was no way in hell they could make a good living off of it. Even for those Quantity>Quality types, it still was never enough to live off of. That's why most animators that didn't have a job either had a roommate or lived with their parents at the time.

>Instead it went from starving animators to nearly no animators on youtube.
For a while, yeah. But very slowly over time, I've noticed a couple of animators(some professional) posting their work. I don't know why, but seeing people doing it for the love of animation put a warm smile on my face. I know Vimeo would be a better alternative to see this, but seeing them come to YouTube after the change (which is kind of strange) was great. But again, I guess this falls under the whole me taking art to serious thing.

>Hell both frederator and mondo are folding liek lawn chairs as well, with frederator pulling out of animation altogether and doing click baits to stay afloat (they fired 2/3 of the workers this summer because they couldn't afford to pay them).
Of shit, I had no idea. I've been out of the mondo loop for awhile, no wonder they're selling the new episode of Happy Tree Friends. That's crazy.

Do what ever man just don't play really old games or give shout out to games that many people haven't heard not only the bad gamed but also good one then again they are copyright striking things left to right

Dude, Youtube has been operating at a loss since the very first day.

Youtube never made any fucking money which is why the creators were so eager to sell it to Google for basically pennies at the time.

And while I agree that Twitch is better for gaming, I'm pretty sure most of the really popular YT channels these days are Vloggers and beauty shit anyway and that's never going to go away.

vimeo is kinda the arty version of Youtube.

They have a lot of animation on there but also just anything really creative. It's honestly a pretty cool site but it's really hard to find stuff you're interested in.

vid.me is kinda a mix between Youtube and Vine I guess. It could potentially replace Youtube but I don't think it's made with the intention to really have a lot of longer videos on there.

That's honestly the reason why I started to lose a lot of respect from cr1tikal.

He actually did make a channel on pornhub and upload a few videos there but I'm pretty sure he would never actually jump the bullet and really stop using YT despite him saying so multiple times now.

But what about the games?

Flash games are in itself a thing of the past since you can release the same lazy shit unfinished on Steam greenlight and get a gorrilian dollars for doing nothing or doing even less and shitting out mobile apps.

Actually they broke even last year and it looks like 2016 is the first profitable year.

Whatever survives deserves to survive.

what is that screenshot from btw OP?

Op Here

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It really seems that a lot of YT animators seemed to thrive now thanks to Patreon. Some of the luckier ones make up to thousand dollars.
What do you guys think of Patreon?

Some Patreon I heard so far are egotistical if you have fans that are willing to support you why not.

I have no issue with it.
People that are cunts on Patreon were going to be cunts regardless.
Good artists get a chance to grow, and hopefully stick around long enough to be able to do good in the industry, or at least get one flash in the pan in.
It's simply the way the new online economy works - electronic panhandling with a wider audience.

Great idea and a real step towards normalising the idea of modest, stable incomes leading to more liberty and contentment in a population.

Universal basic income when? ;_;

>Some Patreon I heard so far are egotistical
Don't forget paranoid. Apparently some of them will send their patreons images my email, but with well hidden text codes to help identify who leaks their shit. HardBlush does the same thing. There's nothing wrong with removing them from your patreon, but I recall a few people on dumblr flipping out because after they got banned, the owner of the patreon would leak their private information for everyone to see. This was a few years ago though, and was brought to light on /furry/ before all the decent threads were deleted due to all the spam. I have no idea if people are still leaking their supporters info, like I said, this was a few years ago.

>People that are cunts on Patreon were going to be cunts regardless.
Indeed. Good art or not, I don't support cunts.

>I recall a few people on dumblr flipping out because after they got banned, the owner of the patreon would leak their private information for everyone to see.

Yeah... that's a very serious issue. Why are they even able to see their supporters private information?

Keep up the good work, m8.

Could have positioned itself better to survive but didn't. No one will ever leave Jewtube now. People are comfortable with the pennies they get paid and like the community regardless of what they say.

I have no idea honestly. The least Patreon could do is set it up so people you support(that don't use the PayPal method) see only your name. Or better yet, nothing at all. Why the fuck should artists know your address and other private info unless they send you the rewards through the mail.

>when an artist you like goes behind the patreon paywall

Maybe once the bleeding hearts are back in power.

Or we get taken over by a benevolent AI.

Hey they need to eat also

I know it gets annoying but I can understand why they do it

I get it. Everyone needs to bring bread to the table. But every time it happens my heart just stops for a second, in fear of the artist becoming one of those whose content stream slows down considerably to milk as much money as possible.

>>when an artist you like goes behind the patreon paywall
>mfw almost all of them stream their Patreon content publicly
>mfw someone screencaps their drawing before moving on to the next one
>mfw
All bullshit aside, this does suck when they create exclusive Patreon content. But the majority of them release their Patreon drawings for free a few weeks after it's done, so it's not too bad.

if i had a patreon and my stuff was leaking i wouldn't care if it doesn't hurt the way i make money why should i. Hell eve if your a porn artist i would gotten an animator to animate it because truth be told i want more animate porn like hentai thats does comics and fanfic