Just watched the extended version of this. Why did people hate it exactly...

Just watched the extended version of this. Why did people hate it exactly? I thought it was one of the better capeshit movies

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Yeah. Right up to the masterpieces like BvS and Green Lantern!

>Why did bots hate it exactly?
Fixed.

> poor pacing
> 0 time to get to know the characters
> will smiff's daughter apparently a-ok with her dad going to prison even though he's all she has
> killer croc is a skinny manlet
> cgi croc when he swims, but no cgi body so he doesnt look like a sissy twink
> croc has 2 lines
> croc serves no purpose
> everyone acting shocked that harley killed 2 monsters in elevator right after the group including her killed like 80
> army men mysteriously vanish
> enchantress looks like a power rangers villain
> enchantress "dancing"
> deadshot swapping to melee combat for no reason during enchantress fight
> joker being horny
> DAMAGED
> El Diablo goes from not giving a shit about the group to suddenly calling them his family in roughly about 2 minutes of 0 character development
> El Diablo turns into CLINKZ from dota
> Incubus giant cgi man that looks like shit
> harley and jokers plan to get away in the helicopter which literally wouldnt have solved any problems any of the characters had at the moment
> constant loop of pop music that never stops
> joker and harley car chase at a whopping 35 miles per hour
> katana serving no purpose in the film
> katana backstory told by rick flagg in the span of 10 seconds
> WHATS THAT COLOGNE? THE SMELL OF DEATH? LOL KEK A+ WRITING
> the only thing stopping enchantress from stealing her heart back was her alter ego going to sleep. literally nothing else.

The only upside to this film was Amanda Waller and maybe kinda sorta rick flagg.

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TLDR: Poor editing, writing, actting, overly dark filter, extremely shitty villain, no development. Will Smith.

Only good point was Waller actually did shit.

You didn't mention Captain Boomerang. I thought he was the highlight of the film.
It's a shame that he barely did or said anything, just like every other character besides Harley and WillSmithShot.

To this I'd like to add:
>Incubus ravages city with his tentacle powers
>But can't hit Skwad members with them, but strangely connects with ponderously slow kicks
>Mystical super-sister's only offensive power: swords
also
>The movie's menace is a days long super-mystical cataclysm ravaging a city, but none of the JL members bother showing, despite being shown early in the movie responding to robberies and tips from the cops.
>Putty minions can overwhelm special forces guys armed to the teeth; somehow super vulnerable to a chick with a wooden bat and a bogan with a KNOIFE.

>Captain Boomerang leaves the bar as soon as his collar is deactivated and doesn't say a word
If he'd actually left the movie would've earned a 0.5 more in its score.

>Zero team comboing, while El Diablo is struggling with Incubus, the team stands around exchanging "le dramatic reaction faces" for minutes.

I know I'm expecting too much hoping for Avenger's style combos when only two guys have powers beyond shoot/stab stuff. But the big ending fight was beyond lameness.

> enchantress looks like a power rangers villain
>looks
She even had a personality of one. Actually, I take that back. It's an insult to Power Rangers villains.

I found her to be more like an updated Gozer the Gozarian, but with a with the voice of Glinda the Good Witch (which was extremely odd, For Me).

This, the threat was way beyond the scope of the squad.

I said in another thread the other day, this needed to be a proper black ops operation.

>Lexcorp scientist with huge amounts of data on doomsday selling fled the US and is auctioning the data to a bunch of crime syndicates and governments
>US can't get involved without clashing with said governments
>Squad sent in to assassinate the scientist and retrieve data, under the cover of villains stealing for profit.
>Antagonists are a bunch of other villains who are actually trying to steal the data.

>Batman (who, while very strong and big, is still a human) can knock Harley out in one punch
>a punch from a superhuman supernatural monster doesn't even affect her
That elevator scene was the moment main villain and her goons stopped seeming like any kind of threat.

>The only upside to this film was Amanda Waller

Because Viola Davis is a miracle worker. Seriously, the script didn't do her any favors. The script tells us she is though as shit but at the same time it only shows through her actions that she is incompetent, non threatening and overall stupid. She can't control the enchantress even though she supposedly has a fail-safe. She can't get out of the building asking even though all she had to do was walk to the roof and call a chopper. Will Smith basically disobeys her orders, then walks right up to her and jokes about it to her face and she doesn't kill him for this insubordination. Then, in the end, she does UI again with that same blow your head out app again and now she expects then to believe her this time? They tell you, using hey own words, that she has a plan against superhumans like Superman gone haywire but the plan is absolute shit at accomplishing that. The one upside to her character is Viola Davis' delivery.

This is yet another DCEU film where the "protagonists" are the actual cause of all the fucked up shit in the movie. Just like you don't have an alien invasion in MoS without Superman thieving from the Government, you don't have a threat without Waller trotting Enchantress.
She's supposed to be part of Waller's failsafe against a Chaotic Evil Superman, but it apparently bothers no one that she's a Chaotic Evil Superman Waller barely has control over.

But that's ok, because the real anti-Chaotic Evil Superman force is a bunch of guys who can't even break out of a conventional prison on their own.

The problem with Suicide Squad is that the types of missions they were designed for and would be appropriate for would not get greenlit as a movie due to how touchy the subject matter is.
For an accurate Suicide Squad film their mission would involve assassinating Kim Jong-Un or something equally completely illegal on an international scale, which was the entire point; use lower-powered or controllable supervillains supervised by a few willing heroic types in missions where if they are caught and killed they can plausibly deny that they were ever working for the US government because hey, they were super villains.

Making them into the Pentagon's low-grade Justice League filled with psychopaths is the exact opposite of the point of them.

"My only weakness.....bars."

Just have their mission be getting those Pakistan nuclear papers that enchantress just teleports into the briefing room. That would have been a good movie.

Looks like that one alien from MiB2 that Will Smith said looks like crap.

Not LE EPIC enough for the Warner Brothers Film Committee of We Don't Know What Tha Fuck We're Even Doing and Can't Agree On Anything in charge of WB's entire film division right now.

But Superman is Jesus at least. I mean, that's got to count for something, right?

Yes, generic "Ancient Evil Threatens the Whole Planet" is made for the Justice League.

And the film makes the point that they can send information directly to Batman (to capture Deadshot), in the event he's not aware of an entire city being torn apart. His Not-A-Car is more dangerous than the entirety of Flagg's team put together. And he has pals.

>kinda sorta rick flagg.
His actor is pretty solid and he is fucking WASTED in this mess of a film.
I even like him as Rick Flag, but fuck how badly he was used here.

Not sure if you meant to reply to me but I agree that the actual problems in SS was down to Waller, but I don't think you can really blame Superman for the events of MoS.

There was no reason to suspect the ship might summon Zod, but there was plenty of reason to be careful/not do it at all when attempting to control a ancient demoness who despises humanity.

Well thats why I suggested the governments buying Doomsday data.

The US can't get involved because it would set them in confrontation with whoever was buying it. But it makes sense that the Squad would be there (from everyone else's view, given that their cover is that they want the data for themselves to sell for profit). So the Squad goes in, gets into the fight with the antagonists/security, a bunch of foreign officials get caught in the crossfire, but everyone thinks its just villains being bad guys.

I suggested Doomsday data because it would link it into BvS and because movies tend to avoid making a direct enemy out of a foreign government, because that poisons that market for international release.

But it would be better to have that than "Blue beam of doom into the sky #342"

Not sure you want the something that it counts for.

But it's all they've got.
Well, that and some of the fight scenes. The ones they ripped off from DBZ or the Arkham games.

A comic book adaptation that's also a heist movie? Are you fucking stupid? There's no way that could possibly work.
Get the fuck out of here.

Hopefully that will be a Rogues movie.

>Are you fucking stupid?
Crazy stupid fine!

Also captain boomerang using his boomerangs like knives and slip knot not getting introduced at all

I actually rather like the idea.
They could have it take place in one of DC's fictional countries like Bialya or Qurac or Kahndaq or Markovia.

Creativity? In my DCEU?

He was the guy who could climb ANYTHING!

Can he climb out of his grave?

>And he has pals

At this point just WW.

I need friends
t. Batman

No, Flash needs friends.

The joke remains as bad either way.

>If you loved Deadpool then wait till you get a load of THIS guy!

He should have been mentioned in the dinner chat just like the other dudes. Most people i watched the film with didn't even know who he was when he died

>This, the threat was way beyond the scope of the squad.

The funny thing is the after-credits scene shows Waller having info on all the JL members. She could have created the JL instead of SS but she didn't.

Any of those would do great.

>LexCorp scientist has fled to Markovia, which is hosting an international conference/ peace talks
>Behind the scenes at this conference, various Mega corps, criminal organisations and governments are bidding for the Doomsday data.
>The Squad is assembled (maybe with a few missions under their belt?) and sent in, with the cover of being a group of villains who has teamed up to steal the data for their own profit.
>They storm in, but mission goes pare shaped when another group of villains beats them to it, kidnaps the scientist and acquires the (encrypted) data
>Innocents caught in the crossfire
>Drama and character development
>etc

She couldn't control the JL. To principled and to damn powerful.

Is there a single drop of blood in this whole movie?
I've watched the Extended a couple of times and I cannot remember any.
Just a few people getting CGI corrupted.

And Slipknot's head turning into black smoke for some raisin.

I mean, people bleed in the family-fun Avengers movie.

Harley has a few minor scrapes.

>Native American

>Gets killed by a White American Soldier

Really makes you think

Suicide Squad is problematic.

>Has mastered the various deadly uses of ROPE!

>Gets recruited to fight ancient Demonic Gods bent on ravaging the planet.

Poor guy.

Why the hell would Harley go along with Waller at the end if Joker already deactivated the lolnanite bomb? She could have killed Waller on the spot and the entire SS team would be free.

They didn't even get him some deadly monomolecular rope or Wonder Woman's spare magic rope. They sent this poor bastard to die with a grapnel gun and a coil of nylon.

Hrrrm.

watched it yesterday night and I also enjoyed it. I thought bvs was much worse.

For the same reason the demon with unlimited teleportation wouldn't just grab her heart from the open briefcase and leave.

I wonder if you could even choke one of those soldier things to death.
What was he supposed to do, lasso them?

What was Slipknot even supposed to do against the putties?
They don't have faces or mouths, he can't strangle them...

He could climb to the High Ground.

Other than Deadshot and El Diablo nobody else was really required.

Had they brought a few heavy weapons specialists and a few armed drones, the Special Forces could have handled everything.

How do you guys feel about Harley and Joker being an actual romance?

True. Viola Davis did a damn good job with what she was given. Best character in the film.

Or one Cruise Missile. Maybe a second one to blow the magic CGI spectacle after the first one destroys the siblings.

Or just smash them with fast air from 30,000.

I have no idea why they sent tanks and helicopters in when they could have nailed the fuckers with a JDAM from a few miles up.

It's noteworthy that they had time to stage and launch an attack with tanks, how long were they tearing the city up?

Sick.

Can anyone tell me why the helicopter that Amanda Waller escaped from was shooting some kind of flares before it gets shot down by enchantress? That scene was confusing.

I mean the squad basically walked in and threw a bomb at them. Shitty delivery system.

The reason you send the squad is because you need people on site, but there was no need for that.

Well Incubus was let loose in the early morning IIRC, and the Squad arrived at night, so at least 12-14 hours?

I was ok with that actually, and with joker in the EE.

Crazy Criminal Gangster, thats fine by me.

This. I didn't expect the Joker to be the least terrible thing about this movie.

>> WHATS THAT COLOGNE? THE SMELL OF DEATH? LOL KEK A+ WRITING
I think "talk about a killer app" was worse.

>enchantress "dancing"
Yeah, that definitely did not look right, just came off as silly instead witchy or spooky.

The entire subplot with the prison guard captain being in the Jokers pocket was dropped halfway through the movie.

>Bunch of hungover anons on new years day come up with a better plot in 20 mins than WB execs did in 30.

So this is the power of love?

> 0 time to get to know the characters
Except for those flashbacks with the silly letters and the movie, or do you want this movie to go over 5 hours with a detailed backstory for every character? This isn't a videogame nor is it a comic book.

>will smiff's daughter apparently a-ok with her dad going to prison even though he's all she has
She has the mom and she doesn't want her dad to get his ass destroyed by Batman.

> killer croc is a skinny manlet
You would prefer a CGI character? Or do you want to hire a big guy and waste money in a chracter with 3 lines?

> croc serves no purpose
He's there for the Batfags and he was the one who detonated the bomb that killed Enchantress nii-san

> army men mysteriously vanish
They exploded and died in the multiple fights

> everyone acting shocked that harley killed 2 monsters in elevator right after the group including her killed like 80
They were busy killing 80 monsters instead of looking at her while she helped kill a few.

> enchantress looks like a power rangers villain
>In a movie with where a guy can shoot in the wall and it ricochets into someone's eye
>In a universe where a man can fly, is strong and has eye lasers

> El Diablo turns into CLINKZ from dota
For the comic and videogame fags

> harley and jokers plan to get away in the helicopter which literally wouldnt have solved any problems any of the characters had at the moment
Except getting away from Amanda and her suicide mission.

Your nitpicking however points out the stuff wrong with the movie. A very mediocre movie.

Maybe, but I genuinely don't understand how WB has fucked up so badly with the DC movies. Half the problems come from executive meddling and rushed deadlines.

>Implying WB execs wasted as much as 30 minutes on this movie's plot

How does getting electrocuted and jumping into a chemical vat turn Harley crazy?

Because comic books.

she was already crazy, the trauma just broke down her defence mechanisms.

>WB fucks up Suicide Squad
>"Damn, I thought you guys were sick of dark shit?"
>"Yeah.....for heroes"
>"ok ok, we think we get it now"
>They make The Rogues complete psycho killers in the already doomed Flash movie
Screen cap this. WB only knows extremes.

She was already a weirdo then she was subjected to torture at the hands of her object of affection after getting a bunch of her coworkers killed then after that thrown in a vat of chemicals that is implied to be bad for you mental health

...

She falls in love with the joker before any of that, so she was clearly crazy to begin with. Plus electro therapy will genuinely fuck you up.

>>WB fucks up Suicide Squad
>>"Damn, I thought you guys were sick of dark shit?"
>>"Yeah.....for heroes"
>>"ok ok, we think we get it now"
>>They make The Rogues complete psycho killers in the already doomed Flash movie
>Screen cap this. WB only knows extremes.

But Cpt Boomerang is already confirmed comic relief thanks to Suicide Squad.

Now let's guess about the baby-eating villainy we are about to witness.
So they'll just have to try extra hard with the rest.

YOU DON'T WANT NO BEEF?

id like to see the Ayer's original version

Trailer shot, nothing more. Why the fuck did they even need the squad when airspace was clear to extract Waller? The only air threat was the sky magic laser and it was out of range, not to mention Incubus only tentacle raped choppers who got close. Moreover, why is there like 3 helicopter crashes in this movie yet no one gets hurt?

It doesn't the electrocution thing really fucking annoyed me.

Joker uses Harley as a tool he gives her just enough love and attention she wants to do things for him. He doesn't need to torture her to turn her crazy hes got her so madly in love with him he can ask her to bring him a gun into Arkham and she will.

The throwing her into the vat thing was just taking the new 52 origin for her where that happens for no fucking reason but Joker realizing he has some kind of love for her that he jumps in after her was a nice touch.

The DC films being bad is completely to be expected. The surprising thing is that the Marvel films aren't equally awful. Executive meddling and tight deadlines clearly happens with both but, against all the odds, the Marvel films are somehow not terrible. It's bizarre. I kind of assume that Feige sold his soul to the devil.

How does jumping into a chemical vat turn Joker crazy?

He wasn't even electrocuted.

>why is there like 3 helicopter crashes in this movie yet no one gets hurt?
The miracle of seatbelts.

He was DAMAGED

>what is backpedaling
Wouldn't be surpised if they said Boomer was kicked out for being soft

Why has Batfleck toned the violence down so much in SS? Joker, Deadshot, Harley and Croc should all be dead by BvS standards.

Yeah but you see he found Jesus (Superman for those who didn't get he was the second coming) and now he doesn't kill anymore.

>Joker realizing he has some kind of love for her that he jumps in after her was a nice touch.
I did like that moment, the implication that he either planned all along to kill her and then thought better of it, or was planning to save her and then in the moment almost decided not to. It really gets across the idea that the joker is constantly swaying between wanting to get rid of Harley or keeping her around.

They were captured before he went killhappy due to seeing the Zod battle

>Executive meddling and tight deadlines clearly happens with both
Marvel only really steps in when a Director starts playing with his own dick and it's a problem for the entire MCU (See: Wright, Edgar).

Of course the creative coordinators (who are not Disney Suits) keep things thematically compatible; the directors going in know they are just sewing a single patch onto the greater quilt of the MCU.

They made every attempt to neuter their "villains" didn't they? Comic Lawton would have shot Harley no problem. Also
>"I don't shoot women/kids"
Is bullshit. Which I'd hate to sound like an edgelord, but I've seen Lawton not give a shit about that kind of thing.

>It doesn't the electrocution thing really fucking annoyed me.
Electro shock can genuinely give you mental problems.

Plus, she's clearly crazy before that. The film never actually says "she's crazy because of the electro-shock." I don't know why people are complaining about this. I can't believe I'm defending this train-wreck, but if you're going to complain, then complain about the many, many, actual problems the film has.