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What's going? Why?

Do (((they))) have a hand in this or is it just classic South American failure and corruption?

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Yes, but how and why did this happen?

I'm reading news on it right now and it's hard to tell where this comes from. I can't tell if it's just socialist/communist failings or if there's a larger international effort because oil sovereignty and whatnot.

Land with lots of resources that could be stronk if it weren't for corruption and literal low IQ of the people
The current ruler used to be a bus driver, never finished basic school and struggles with basic math so you can get an idea.
Basically the mexican that mows your parent's lawn is more erudite than that guy.

Venezuela is just another victim of Dominicanism.

>What's going? Why?
Country enacts socialism, and then everyone productie leaves and the country starves.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Okay, so from that understanding it would seem a lot of the problems they are facing are their own.

What about foreign entities? Nothing particularly pronounced regarding their state of affairs, just stupidity and corruption for the most part?

Why did (((we))) hate Chavez so much? Wouldn't a failing state be great in terms of reduced oil prices? Wouldnt someone who allowed for such conditions to exist be someone we'd want to keep around? That's where I'm a little confused.

Not sure I know what that term means. I tried searching for it but nothing is coming up. What is Dominicanism?

Still, why the general distaste by the USA for instance? Don't we like poor oil producing countries? Or does our disdain for socialism/communism outweigh that?

For once USA is not to directly to blame. Venezuela is collateral damage of USA's oil producing allies keeping the oil price low to damage Russia. But they were stupid enough to base all ther economy on oil.
Also I didn't knew you hated Venezuela. I thought you didn't care.

>Also I didn't knew you hated Venezuela. I thought you didn't care
The fact that the USA haven't installed a puppet government to take control of their oil is a clear sign of disdain.

This is what happens when you don't have enough helicopters.

May Colombia (or maybe Brazil) absorb tjat shameful place.

Sorry, didn't mean me personally, meant 'us' as more of a broad stroke regarding US political stances regarding Venezuela for most of the 21st century. I personally don't know enough about the country to have much of an opinion, and I don't really hate anyone besides Clinton and globalists.

But okay, thanks for the information. That's kind of the perspective I was getting pouring over articles, but I didn't know if I was reading things with possible Americanized spin or not.

>Socialism
>Africa tier natives that have never been bred under agriculture, let alone civilization
>nigger-tier natives with average IQ of 85

Justifying a coup on latin america is not as easy as doing it on the middle east. However that possibility becomes more likely if Maduro refuses to let go the power. For now Maduro is just a corrupt president intoxicated with power. If he ever becomes a dictator he's sure to get removed by force.

Shameful? From what I'm reading the country itself seems beautiful and has the potential to be a decent place (was in the 70s with their oil boom).

How could corruption riddled Brazil or Cartelumbia offer that which would be better than a privatized democratic populist reform?

>How could corruption riddled Brazil or Cartelumbia offer that which would be better than a privatized democratic populist reform?

I don't expect an improvement, I just want the novelty of seeing a change in the continent map.

Socialism, yes.

But as for the natives, they did have extensive agriculture (especially the Timoto-Cuica) and complex societies pre-Columbus.

Some of the natives (Yanomami, for instance) are definitely low-IQ drains, but don't account for a significant portion of the population.

Right, but does Columbia let alone Brazil even have the ability to do something like that? Seems like both places have way too much internal issues on their hands to even pretend to be in a position to do something like that if/when Venezuela fails.

Well, right now Brazil is in the middle of a shitstorm, but Colombia is "supposedly" finally resolving their guerilla problems and might think its worth the trouble to claim that oil, since they're dealing with Venezuelan refugees already might as well make some sort of profit no?

With a total collapse of the government, I'm not sure what would happen. Are the venezuelans patriotic enough to choose rebuilding by themselves and becoming north Bolivia rather than becoming becoming colombians? In their shithole state, how much foreign aid can they expect? Proximity with the US doesn't sem to matter since shitholes like Haití are even closer and look how things are.

Falling oil prices

Yeah fair points. I would guess Venezuelans aren't entirely faithless in their country, if for its natural beauty and land resources alone, but a recent poll indicated half of them would the country if they realistically could, so it's hard to judge.

I think the US would certainly not intervene if the collapse happens anytime soon, especially with the way the presidential race is looking. Too little time for a realistic intervention to be formulated, and way too much focus on things in the Middle East. It'd be hard to steer the narrative elsewhere and argue that increased foreign entanglements in a failing socialist state make any sense in our current political climate.

I think their only hope is the will and organization of the people, but they have some historically pretty extreme degrees of poverty and that makes it hard to not make stupid decisions. That, or some intervention by Players 2 and 3, Russia and China. The problem with that of course is that China is already regretting its policies with Venezuela, and Russia doesn't really need the resources with how things are going for it right now.

I still can't really picture another South American country doing anything, they all seem focused on their own problems. But hey, it'd neat to see some lines get redrawn.