>ELYRIA — Former attorney Michael W. Fine pleaded guilty to charges he used his hypnotic skills to control six women for his own sexual gratification as part of a deal with prosecutors that will send him to prison for 12 years. Fine, 59, entered pleas to five counts of kidnapping and one count of attempted kidnapping during a hearing Monday, a week before his trial was set to begin. Each of those charges carries a sexual motivation specification.
>Fine is due back in court Nov. 7 for a sentencing hearing and also will be informed of requirements that he register as a sex offender for the rest of his life that day.
>The woman took her concerns to Sheffield police, who initially suggested she find another lawyer, but the woman instead recorded her interactions with Fine, including when he placed her in a trance.
>Fine was accused of putting the woman into a trance and giving her sexual commands, including telling her to have a orgasm and that she was “being made love to by the world’s greatest lover”. The woman took the recordings to law enforcement, and she agreed to wear audio and video recording devices into a meeting with Fine at his Sheffield law offices. Once Fine put the woman into a trance, law enforcement raided the office and searched it for evidence, according to court documents.
>not using hypnosis to convince the judge that you are innocent
Aiden Sanders
Is it seriously possible to do this? Hypnosis isn't mind control. Women are this weak willed?
Zachary Lewis
That was my dream as a kid..
Jeremiah Powell
Same thing. >go to jail >have cort hearing months later >hynotize jurors to orgasm >jurors in your favor now
Logan Lewis
Why Scott Adams' pic?
Aaron Morales
>A second woman who hired Fine to represent her in a divorce case told investigators she felt she had lost time during three meetings with the attorney, according to court records.
>Fine is charged with multiple counts of kidnapping, rape, sexual battery, gross sexual imposition, attempted gross sexual imposition and possession of child pornography.
What happened to the child porn charge?
Lincoln Young
Women can't find blame on themselves for pretending to be hypnotised so they blame the guy.
Anthony Parker
> Attempted gross sexusl imposition Wtf even is that?
Zachary Gutierrez
His donation to the DNC came in just in time to have that charge go away.
Colton Gomez
>attempted gross sexual imposition
When 5/10 or less says hello or holds the door open for a girl.
Sebastian Cooper
Hypnosis is a meme. There's no such thing.
It's magic show bullshit. It has never passed the rigors of the empiricism.
Josiah Davis
no it isnt, you literally cant hypnotize someone to do or say something they dont want to do. Most people go along with stage hypnotists so they can get away with doing stupid shit in front of other people.
Ethan Martinez
Because Scott is the memeface of hypnosis
Adam Anderson
You guys do know that there are literally thousands of men with this skill? It can be used in places like bars, gyms, on the street, etc.
It's basically an advanced form of PUA, the user is just extremely skilled in body language and verbal communication. That's all there is to it.
James Reyes
Look into the eyes into the eyes not around the eyes look into the eyes
You're under.
Gavin Harris
Example: when you start saying explicit shit to a woman and she doesn't like it, that's what it is.
Jew lawyers can make literally anything a crime.
Jackson Peterson
So these women wanted to fuck him? Shit this really is like my hentais.
Joseph Gonzalez
>Fine fell under scrutiny after one of his legal clients became suspicious of lost time she was experiencing and because “she was wet in her vaginal area, that her bra was disheveled” after she left Fine’s office or had conversations with him.
Jason Fisher
Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Hypnotic Rape Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Walk Away From him Like Nigga Just Say No Haha
Ryder Thomas
Hypnosis is literally bullshit though
Jason Martinez
Man now I have to go fap again.
Luke Brown
No it isn't, hypnosis is just purely confident body and verbal language, as well as other tricks such as using a specific speech pattern.
Luke Baker
Go to jail Talk to the guards Get vip treatment Wait to met judge Order him to dismiss case and clean all records. Use hipno trigger to rape her again.
Caleb Butler
So, do Brit psychiatrists acknowledge hypnosis as being legit?
Will they arrest someone for using Voodoo dolls next?
Robert Ross
>Get vip treatment As in hynotise the black inmates to all fuck you in the ass all day long?
Connor Scott
>go along with hipno-voodoo bullshit because why not it's new >suck guys dick to fulfill some weird jap-tier hypnosis fetish >never texts back or answers my calls anymore >sue for rape
How would any judge of repute not laugh this out of court?
Dylan Robinson
no it's not, it's used in psychiatry, though rarely, and it works with some patients for changing behavioural things, like making a patient stop smoking, biting their nails, etc
you have no idea what you are talking about
Ethan Clark
The defendant could have easily won if they had brought in an expert hypnotist. Hypnotists cannot make people do things that they don't want to do. I can understand him losing his job or any licenses he had, but going to jail for this is dumb. Hypnotism is not mind control.
Asher Watson
So basically he convinced these women to fuck him and they reported him for rape in order to protect their reputations? Fucking whores.
Xavier Stewart
No one is arguing that this guy has game and that these women were willing meatsocks, it's that hypnosis is not real outside your Korean cave-drawings.
Adam Roberts
No you have no idea what you're talking about there are multiple forms of hypnosis.
All it comes down to is speaking in a way that lets you know that the speaker means what they say (confidence) their body language is relaxed/in a position of authority. Also using a specific timber and tone.
If it isn't real, how come some people are better at it than others? It's obviously real and it's a skill you can build.
Chase Roberts
>No it isn't bullshit >It's bullshit Pick one.
>it's used in psychiatry OYYYYY VEEEYYYYYYY
Leo Green
>how come some people are better at it than others?
Other people can play basketball better than me, others can run faster, does that mean I'm being hypnotized? Of course not, they are just more athletic, just how this guy is more charismatic and devious than others.
How is that so hard to understand?
Parker Wilson
No it isn't, I can tell you about 30% of the population is HIGHLY suggestible under hyponouious. What's bullshit is hypnotizing someone without them wanting to be hypnotized. But once you hypnotize them, you can make them do weird things without memory. Either this guy is the best hypnotist ever or it has more to do with the kidnappings and such and the rest were just there for money
Hunter Hall
>he's more charismatic
yeah that's what I'm saying. it's a skill you can build. fuckin idiot.
James Rogers
Whatever you want lad. Enjoy yourself is your fantasy!
Kayden Cooper
>others are better at basketball wonder how that happened, maybe they practiced? >this guy is more charismatic and devious oh so he was born that way? or maybe he practiced
charisma and confidence is a skill you can build. with extremely high proficiency of these skills - and a few other tricks such as tone and timber, you can hypnotize people.
you're so fucking dumb
Christopher Bell
This, but it's actually a very specific thing you do to hypnotize someone, it's more exact then just what you say.
Oliver Richardson
Fact: no hypnotism cannot make you do anything you do not want to do anyway It is impossible to use it to rape somebody. This is bullshit and sets a terrible precedent
Thomas Ortiz
>Fact: no hypnotism cannot make you do anything you do not want to do anyway
source this 'fact' please.
not everyone is equally good at hypnosis. not everyone is equally susceptible to hypnosis.
Nathan Anderson
America what are you doing
Matthew Carter
You claimed that hypnosis is real, I said that it isn't and he's just very charismatic.
If you are going to defend hypnotism know that you will be lumped into the category of people who believe swinging a clock back and forth will turn you into a mindless drone.
If you think its just a guy that worked at his game then just say that, not "if it isn't real then..." because it makes you look like the actual idiot.
Aiden Sanchez
they'll soon prosecute goats as being a burglar who transmogrified after committing his crime
Anthony Williams
>If you are going to defend hypnotism know that you will be lumped into the category of people who believe swinging a clock back and forth will turn you into a mindless drone. When did I say that?
>If you think its just a guy that worked at his game then just say that, not "if it isn't real then..." because it makes you look like the actual idiot.
So it's real, but you call it 'confidence' and I call it 'confidence plus speech techniques'
Jaxon Baker
>its one extreme or the other youre fucking retarded.
Lincoln Taylor
>So it's real No, it isn't. Someone telling you to do something, and then you doing said order/suggestion, isn't hypnotism. Which is all this is. This man made a connection, strengthened it, eventually made the suggestion to suck his dick, and they complied.
That's not hypnotism, and to say it is means that anytime you do something when asked is hypnotism. That's fucking stupid.
Jayden Lewis
While hypnosis even working is pretty questionable, any hypnotist would tell you that you can't force people to do things through hypnosis that they wouldn't otherwise do. It's not mind control, it's at best suggestibility. Or a complete fraud, what do I know.
Connor Ward
>Someone telling you to do something, and then you doing said order/suggestion, isn't hypnotism.
You're right it's way more subtle and intricate than that.
>This man made a connection, strengthened it, eventually made the suggestion to suck his dick, and they complied.
So you describe what hypnotism is, then you say "that isn't hypnotism"
please help me understand why you have a problem with the word 'hypnotism'
You seem to be forgetting the speech techniques used, that is part of the equation with hypnosis on any level.
Aaron Peterson
Guys this is just the tip of the iceberg. It's not just a rogue hypnotist! This stronk woman has actually uncovered a HYPNOTIC LAWYER RAPE CONSPIRACY
Never thought I could live out my fetishes IRL. Thanks Sup Forums for proving it's possible!
James Scott
>So you describe what hypnotism is, then you say "that isn't hypnotism"
Because it isn't. I don't have a problem with the word hypnotism, it's when any sort of persuasion can fit into the category of hypnotism.
Being charismatic and convincing people to do things they wouldn't normally do isn't hypnotism, it's merely using force, your relationship, or material goods/wealth in order to get the outcome that you want.
And anyone can have one or more of these things to achieve the results they want in a conversation or bargain. That makes someone resourceful, thuggish, a con-man, a leader, and/or whatever other label fits the given situation. But just being exceptionally good at it doesn't make you a hypnotist, it just makes you an exceptional example of whatever you were being before.
Levi Williams
>Being charismatic and convincing people to do things they wouldn't normally do isn't hypnotism
You're right, but combine that with SPEECH AND COMMUNICATION SKILLS and that is hypnosis. You stupid fuck. It's not JUST being charismatic.
"Suck my dick" is not hypnosis, you're right, there's more to it than that and you can't seem to be able to wrap your head around these other variables.
Nolan White
There's a reason "manipulation" and "hypnosis" have different meanings. Hypnosis requires more than just manipulation. Like what?
Like speech and communication skills, using timber and tone. Sorry you're having such problems understanding vocabulary.
Jackson Wilson
Hypnosis is the intersection between believing a Jewish lie and being desperate enough for an excuse to behave stupidly to blame Jewish lies.
Beyond that there is no substance to it.
Cameron Sanchez
Being charismatic automatically implies speech and communication skills you fucking nigger, but using them effectively doesn't make you a hypnotist as hypnotism is fake.
And it makes you an "x" depending on the situation and ways you are using those skills. And obviously "suck my fucking chode" wasn't the exact way he got around to getting his dick wet you fuck, it's a massive oversimplification of the final implication/event that got him laid.
Charles Thompson
>but using them effectively doesn't make you a hypnotist as hypnotism is fake.
got any proof? or just your word?
>And obviously "suck my fucking chode" wasn't the exact way he got around to getting his dick wet you fuck, it's a massive oversimplification of the final implication/event that got him laid.
Yeah, the same oversimplification you're making regarding hypnosis. Hypnosis is a skill you can build. It requires the full range of human communication especially body language. It requires speaking in a certain way. It requires having confidence.
Again: manipulation is a lesser form of hypnotism, can you describe the differences for me?
Carter Murphy
>hypnosis >real
pick one
Owen Nelson
>hypnotist as hypnotism is fake.
See I knew you had a problem with the word.
>using these skills together is hypnotism >but hypnotism isn't real
you just don't like the word. that's okay, you don't have to have a full blown autistic tantrum over it.
John Sanchez
This just in hypnotism isn't real and people are all willing participants.
Or sluts be sluts.
Parker Martin
That's literally not how hypnosis works. These people watch too much porn. Next they'll be jailing people for witchcraft.
Logan Howard
Hypnotism implies that the hypnotized loses their free will and is essentially a zombie that follows whatever command. There is no such thing.
Dominic Wright
>Hypnotism implies that the hypnotized loses their free will and is essentially a zombie that follows whatever command. There is no such thing.
No it really doesn't.
Hypnotism is using verbal and body language along with confidence and speech techniques such as tone and timber to alter thinking. That's all it is. No zombie shit involved or implied.
Jaxson Jenkins
>got any proof? or just your word? The fact that traditional hypnotism has never stood to rigorous scientific testing should be enough.
>can you describe the differences for me? Manipulation is manipulation, and hypnosis is a lie? When you make it to where any and all forms of persuasion and manipulation are hypnosis, be they "lesser" or otherwise, it just shows that hypnosis has no real meaning or grasp as then everyone is always undergoing hypnosis literally every second of their lives as they make every decision based off of prior knowledge which could be seen as manipulation.
Hudson Adams
So hypnosis isn't using confidence/speech and communication skills to alter thinking?
Or maybe you're thinking of the zombie-state-hypnosis that everyone seems to revert to when they can't disprove hypnosis is a skill.
>Durrr hypnosis isn't real
Keep repeating it until your word is proof.
Michael Sullivan
Ncie hot take
Aiden Jenkins
bitch was playing along with the roleplay and then ruined his life...
Joshua Price
>this definition proves me right >oh wait it doesn't say they become a zombie that will do whatever the hypnotist tells them to do?
nice try.
Caleb Johnson
Man why are women so slutty nowadays?
Joseph Nelson
>Or maybe you're thinking of the zombie-state-hypnosis that everyone seems to revert to when they can't disprove hypnosis is a skill.
Because that's what it's sold as, and again your definition sells hypnosis as any and all forms of manipulation or persuasions that requires social interaction.
There's already words to specify those situations they are manipulation, persuasion, negotiation, bargaining, pleading, ordering, demanding, and the list goes on.
All apparently fit this "lesser" requirement of yours to meet hypnotism, and that's why people think it's bullshit.
Mason Flores
Hypnosis doesn't work unless the person being hypnotized is okay with what they are doing
Thomas Campbell
>How to seduce women through hypnosis >advice starts after she's invited you into her room, onto her bed and she's lying down with her eyes closed nigga that's 90% of the work to get to that point
Jace Edwards
tell my how to do this to get a qt3.14 gf right now !
Joseph Murphy
>hypnotism is wrong KEK
I like this new reality we've transcended into. We literally have the force to meme anything into the brains of normies. >Sup Forums becomes all powerful
Elijah Wood
>2016 >Not using genjutsu
Josiah Torres
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Zachary Taylor
this
they wanted it deep down
Logan Barnes
So we can use testimony under hypnosis as evidence now that the court believes that hypnosis is real enough to make women want to fuck, right?
