Dark Knight III: The Master Race #7 Civil War II #8 All Star Batman #5 Justice League Suicide Squad #2 Detective Comics #947 Star Wars #26 Flash #13 Wonder Woman #13 Titans #6 Harley’s Little Black Book #5
Thanks to the following retailers,
Fat Jack’s Comicrypt of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Famous Faces & Funnies of West Melbourne, Florida. Dr. No’s Comics & Games Superstore of Marietta, Georgia Graham Crackers Comics – Now 11 locations in the Mid-West Yesteryear Comics of San Diego, California Rodman Comics of Ankeny, Iowa Jesse James Comics of Glendale, Arizona Ssalefish Comics of Winston-Salem, NC
>Batman is the focus of this week with the top 4 titles at FFF including Detective in first place, All Star Batman 5 and Justice League Suicide Squad tied at second, and DK3 in fourth. Then it’s Civil War, Flash, WW, Action, Titans and Teen Titans. Marvel only has 4 of in our top 20 with Extraordinary and Star Wars tied at 13 and then Spider-Man Deadpool at spot 17. AD: After Death, Love Is Love and Power Rangers close are spots 18-20 for us with a few indy books. We sold out of Love Is Love and could have sold more copies. It seems like it was underordered everywhere, and we look forward to selling more reprints of it soon. Spider-Man Deadpool was ourbestselling Marvel ongoing for a while, mostly outselling Civil War and other events, but the over-saturation of Deadpool has caused it to finally calm down, dropping off a lot these last two or three months.
>DC Rebirth continues to sell to new fans, returning fans and casual fans while Marvel still isn’t bringing in any new customers with their Marvel Now books, and their long time customers seem to be enjoying DC a lot more these days. Let’s hope Marvel can turn things around in 2017 as all stores need the big two to be leaders, and while DC has stepped up to the plate, Marvel has some major issues to look over when it comes to pricing, content and who’s actually buying their books (and not just posting about how great they are on Tumblr or Twitter, after illegally downloading them). The customers that actually purchase these books from stores has shrunk more than ever this last year and it’s going to take a miracle for Marvel to recover from this one. While their movies are bigger hits than ever, their events always end late, and then “lead into” the next event or line wide relaunch, that’s already started because their event wasn’t properly set up in advance. The fact that Civil War is being outsold by second and third tier DC, Image and indy books in my store shows that people are not supporting the overpriced events (that are usually reruns of a previous hit event these last few years) and it will take a “less books, better books, cheaper books” hard look at things for Marvel to get back the number one spot and maintain focus. They need to finally start thinking about the long term health of the comics industry, as all their short term thinking and money grabs have finally hurt them, and it won’t be as easy as they think to recover and win back their target audience’s trust and more importantly dollars. Let’s hope I’m wrong here, but I hope Marvel sorts things out to help all the struggling comic stores right now.
Josiah Nelson
>We just closed out our best year of all time, best month, and our best sales week in history leading up to Christmas, but Marvel sales have never been this low in our store in the last 15 years. Things were a little worse for Marvel in the mid 1990’s, but the rest of the publishers seem to be doing their part, and new books like God Country and Curse Words will outsell every “ongoing” Marvel book in my store, since we were able to read them in advance, loved them, and we will push them with our money back guarantee! Thanks Image for putting out such a great variety of titles right now by some incredible writers and artists. Whatever you’re reading, I hope you’re enjoying it. Otherwise, don’t be afraid to try some new books from Image and other independent publishers. Happy New Year!
>We’re still selling a decent amount of Walking Dead older and more recent back issues. Still moving lots of Saga from the last year or so and occasionally one of the first few issues. Batman, FF, Uncanny X-Men and Spider-Man sold a lot of cheap back issues to children looking to spend Christmas money, rather than buying newer comics. Still moving lots of full runs of DC Rebirth to old regulars who moved out of the area, but are in town for the holidays. We have sold about a dozen full runs of books just because we still had every issue in stock, with all but the first issues at cover price still, and only pricing the first issues at $6 or $8 each.
Kevin Perez
>Marvel took two spots in our store’s top ten–one with Civil War II #8 (4th place) and the other with Star Wars #26 (9th place). Everything else was all DC, as usual. Marvel had two more titles in our store’s top twenty, with DC taking the other eight places there. Anyone who thought that Rebirth was going to be a New-52-esque flash in the pan will have to re-evaluate in light of continued reader excitement over these books.
>Heightened interest in Dark Horse Star Wars issues as well as 1970s and 1980s Marvel Star Wars comics…
>It was a very mainstream new release week with no real surprises. I am a bit surprised at the strength of Flash. The sales on that book are higher than expected. All Star Batman only outsells DKIII because of the multiple standard covers. It was a very busy week of people spending holiday money and gift cards. I was thankful because our Diamond shipment was pretty pricey this week thanks in part to a larger than normal paperback/hard cover restock. Love is Love was also a great hit and we ordered really heavy on it.
>Within the hour of Carrie Fisher’s death hitting the news, we had a few people (new faces) digging for Star Wars variants with her likeness. I have mixed feeling about this. We have a surplus of Princess Leia #1 of 5 and I have been giving them away to some of the kids that I know are fans.
>The back issue sales were ruled by Walking Dead and Batman, which isn’t really a surprise. I have noticed a lot of folks shopping for Superman Rebirth, Unbeatable Squirrel Girl, Moon Girl and a few inquires for vintage Valiant.
>Fantastic week for sales. Star Wars took the top spot, but a ton of Batman is always a good thing to help make it a strong sales week.
>Star Wars back issues were strong. obviously anything with Leia on the cover was sought after.
Tyler Myers
>Remember the days were only a handful of titles were released on the last week of the year? Yeah those days are long gone. Good sales. Delays sadly hurt both the Dark Knight III and Civil War II. Marvel got Civil War II 8 and Star Wars 26 into the top ten. Flash has been doing great in store but this week it sold out by Thursday. The title is increasing readership here in store and thankfully DC has had extra stock for reordering. Justice League vs Suicide Squad being weekly is great. People like being able to get the latest event in a fast and non delayed manner. Hope 2017 is a good year for all. Could 2017 be the year Marvel finally does not have a re-launch? Marvel currently not doing well with their “new” “first” issue titles. Hulk 1 and Rocket Racoon 1 were beat badly for being first issues. Just like Gamora and Star Lord 1 we have plenty of them left for sale.
>Love is love sold out extremely fast. We got lucky on Scooby and ordered a ton and Harley Fans scooped it up. Star Wars #26 …#1 one book it is. We all Love Yoda!
>Dark Knight III: The Master Race #7 > All Star Batman #5 > Justice League Suicide Squad #2 > Detective Comics #947 > Flash #13 > Wonder Woman #13 > Titans #6 > Harley’s Little Black Book #5 Don't mind us, just another glorious month at DC.
Julian Smith
>We sold out of Love Is Love and could have sold more copies. It seems like it was underordered everywhere, and we look forward to selling more reprints of it soon Someone just got BTFO.
Evan Hughes
>Heightened interest in Dark Horse Star Wars issues I told you they were good, Sup Forums.
Oliver Clark
This is literally a couple of retailers. It's practically meaningless.
Isaac Davis
Old argument.
Ethan Anderson
>Still shilling for Rich the leach Do you fuckers ever learn?
Angel Gray
>Still shilling for Rich the leach Just like we did when Marvel was doing better than DC?
Joshua Evans
>stop pointing out Marvel is hurting themselves
Hunter Watson
This shit only started getting posted here after rebirth
Nice company wars bait tho faggot
Camden Lee
Pretty sure the reason OP dumped the information and only posted the link in spoiler at the bottom was to avoid giving Rich clicks
Justin Brown
>it's only shilling of news are bad for Marvel Except it isn't.
Nathaniel Morales
Nigga, Marvel literally doesn't care, their comics are just advertisements for their wildly more successful movies right now. The company wars have changed venue.
Marvel will start making real comics again when Perlmutter dies of a stroke, but even after that its comic sales will continue to mean literally nothing, as they drag in more than enough cash through movie magic. They do not CARE how well their comics are doing, so long as they're alive in some form, because they've already won the company war via a different method.
This is pretty bad for fans, seeing as it means we can't rely on Marvel to cough up anything good on the comics front, but they don't need to 'recover' from anything. They've basically won so thoroughly that they don't even need to try to sell their comics anymore.
Austin Young
Who else excited for rebirth trades dropping this week?
Cooper Wood
>This will be the end of Marvel says increasingly nervous EiC.
>Marvel will start making real comics again when Perlmutter dies of a stroke, I think you mean when Alonso gets the boot.
James Ward
>Another relaunch that's bleeding even harder than the previous ones
Logan Ramirez
>We sold out of Love Is Love and could have sold more copies. It seems like it was underordered everywhere, and we look forward to selling more reprints of it soon.
>Love is love sold out extremely fast.
>Love is Love was also a great hit and we ordered really heavy on it.
But comics based around diversity never sell, right, Sup Forums?
Evan Martin
>It'll end up being 25k
Henry Rodriguez
According to Andreyko Love is Love is already in its 3rd printing
Logan Roberts
Right and it'll only be about 25k in the end
Brandon Miller
>Batman, FF, Uncanny X-Men and Spider-Man sold a lot of cheap back issues to children looking to spend Christmas money, rather than buying newer comics
Why buy a medicore new comic for $3.99, when you could buy a bunch of great classic issues for a quarter each?
Lucas Collins
I would be cheering this if the actual comic didn't turn out so... I don't know what the right word is. Misguided? Preachy? Cucked?
Ryder Brown
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Josiah Russell
What was to be expected? It's a charity comic.
Aaron Nelson
Alright whatever you say user. It's not like people have reported multiple printings before and in the end it was because the initial printings were ridiculously tiny.
Aiden Perez
Yeah, I get the feeling in 15 years people will look at Love is Love in the same way they look at this page now.
Ryder Garcia
Are all heterosexual virgins this insecure?
Noah Ramirez
>15 years More like 15 seconds. I cracked up the second Batman said "were not so different"
Jace Murphy
>capes >not gay >especially current Marvel lol
Anthony Walker
Marvel refused to be associated actually
Landon Gonzalez
That would explain why it's selling.
Kayden Johnson
>literally says their comics are bad and this status quo is bad for fans >goes so far as to say they're not even making real comics >'damage control'
He's right, you idiot. Marvel has won to the point where they don't give a shit about competing with DC in the comics arena anymore.
Their comics are shit for the most part but it doesn't matter to them. They make more from one of the movies they churn out than DC or Marvel makes with their entire top ten best sellers. They do not give a shit about their comics anymore, they have no reason to right now.
Anthony Russell
>M-Marvel has won!
Dominic Hill
That doesn't make it not true.
Levi Cruz
For that same reason, they could just stop existing; if they've won that LE COMPANY WAR, why even bother?
*tips tinfoil hat*
Anthony Clark
In terms of how much money they make?
They really have.
I'd prefer that they were actually making good comics that I'd like to read, but that's not happening anytime soon, because they've found a winning formula that does not require their comics to be good.
I have no real sway either way, as I'm a snooty elitist who only buys unpopular comics anyway. Literally the only big two comic I'm spending money on right now is Shade: The Changing Girl.
Luke Diaz
>I'm a snooty elitist who shills for the Mouse for a living Fixed. >Literally the only big two comic I'm spending money on right now is Shade: The Changing Girl. Yeah, right.
Landon Russell
>For that same reason, they could just stop existing; if they've won that LE COMPANY WAR, why even bother?
They're still valuable as a recognizable institution, and they still make SOME money, which justifies their existence for now. They also serve as a marketing tool for the movies.
Either way, they really don't care how well their comics are performing in comparison to DC, as DC are no longer a real competitor. They're barely in the same business anymore.
Jordan Williams
Dude, I'm not a company wars fag. I largely buy DC, although I'm still on pretty niche books there. But this comes from a crop of retailers: it's not a reliable statistic. There are much better stats published each month.
Colton Morgan
>In terms of how much money they make? yeah this is going to chance the moment the cape bubble explodes >"But this may never happen" it happened with westerns back in the day and it will happen again
Austin Brooks
>I'm not a company wars fag. I largely buy DC Nice backpedaling, bro.
The difference being that the western genre has more masterworks of cinema than capes; so its death is to be mourned more.
Carter Sanders
I'm a realist.
I don't care which company is winning as I have no allegiance, I just want good stories. And Shade is basically the only thing worth reading right now, as far as I'm concerned.
Unlike you, I'm not deluded by company loyalty into thinking DC and Marvel are playing remotely the same game anymore.
Brayden Long
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Carter Miller
>yeah this is going to chance the moment the cape bubble explodes
I agree.
I never said it would be successful forever. Nothing is forever.
Joseph Garcia
Those are two different people you're quoting, you retard.
Elijah Martinez
And when it happens, what Marvel product will you shill?
Suuure.
Gabriel Sullivan
Not entering this argument because I agree with your earliers points, but I'd argue that these are more reliable because they aren't tainted compared to the other statistics via the whole loot crate, overshipping, etc. shit.
Cooper Jenkins
>Saying the comics suck but Marvel doesn't need them because they have Hollywood Jew Money now is shilling for the mouse How many levels of denial and delusion you on right now?
It's like a pole in 1941 saying "Hitler took over Poland and it sucks" and you are calling him a nazi for acknowledging reality. Really. Fuck off.
Isaac Turner
who gives a shit about stupid comic books for nerd losers? We have billion dollar movies loved by LITERALLY EVERYONE ON THE PLANET
Jordan Rodriguez
This dude is right. Comics are dead medium and there is a reason why DC want their movies to work.
Cameron Perez
What will happen to comic books once people get tired of superhero movies?
Noah Murphy
Don't try so hard, you might break.
Casuals will find another bandwagon.
Benjamin Powell
We won't have books selling 400k-500k because of movie hype.
Despite the fact that Sup Forums might deny it, movies/tv shows are the reason why comics are still around.
Lincoln Ross
Welp, I guess I was true when I said Marvel has no fans anymore, only casuals and shills.
Julian Ramirez
Just because Marvel gets a lot of money out of their movies, that doesn't mean their performance in comics being bad is a small thing. It's like Disney making a shitty film with shitty profits and handwaving it as "they got an empire, they're going to be fine". It still doesn't erase a bad mark. A comic company wanting to use their comics as movie fodder isn't going to have a lot of good material if people didn't seem interested in the story.
Wyatt Williams
I love that you have literally no counterpoint beyond 'lol shill'.
I'm not even shilling the movies. I don't think I've even implied that they're good. They're just what makes Marvel's money at the moment, and they make it to such excess that their comics are nearly irrelevant as anything but marketing.
This isn't a good thing for us, but it's how things are at the moment. Accept reality.
This is like arguing with a Muslim about history.
Connor Watson
>I'm not even shilling the movies. I don't think I've even implied that they're good. Reread your posts, shill. >This is like arguing with a Muslim about history. A Drumpf voter, huh? That explains everything.
Liam Parker
Stop getting triggered and you are truly idiot if you are honestly loyal to one of these greedy companies.
Angel Jenkins
>Reread your posts, shill.
Maybe you should just learn to read in general, because I've never once said the movies were good.
>A Drumpf voter, huh? That explains everything.
I'm not even American. You have the perfect Trump voter mindset though - ignore all facts in favour of irrational loyalty to an bunch of corporate assholes that don't care about you.
Christopher Ortiz
>This is like arguing with a Muslim about history What this even supposed to mean? Muslims have a rich history that anyone would be proud of.
Logan Cook
>those companies are evil but I love the one with bestselling movies Sad, user.
>I'm not even American Extreme backpedaling. Next time you will say you're not even human but a bot.
Camden Reed
They do.
They also make plenty of shit up and get super butthurt when it's pointed out there's no evidence for it. Every religion does it, but there are more Quranic literalists than Biblical ones right now. I just picked a religion out of a hat really.
Mason Howard
>not believing the Disney version
>I don't hate Muslims but they're all scum! Meh, once they make a live action Ms. Marvel you will change your mind.
Dylan Phillips
Is this the first company wars thread in 2017?
Lincoln Bell
So it seems. And this time the mouseketeers are using new weapons. >the comics were always shit >we hate Marvel but we love Marvel
Sebastian Kelly
>Meh, once they make a live action Ms. Marvel you will change your mind.
...They're already making it. With Carol as the main character.
I doubt Kamala will ever get onto the big screen. Pretending to be 'progressive' and diverse is also what Marvel uses its comics for now, so that they don't have to take risks with their movies.
Ryder Powell
>Flash and Wonder Woman in the top 10
Okay now this is really weird. What the fuck did happen?
Tyler Sullivan
The really terrifying thing about these posts is that they're probably not even trolling.
Someone this stupid and brainwashed actually does exist.
Alexander Russell
>We
Isaac Carter
We have company war because of that idiot who get triggered everytime someone criticize his precious company.
Austin Howard
And they do it for free.
The Marvelite? Meh, just a kid on his first job.
Lincoln Flores
>I doubt Kamala will ever get onto the big screen It would be a shame that they made a Muslim a superheroine, huh?
Christian Sanchez
I mean insofar as they cover that shop sure you're right. They're the most accurate stats for that. You would need pulls from much larger groups of retailers to really outline trends though.
Grayson Gonzalez
Except actually, the only thing anyone said was that Marvel isn't reeling. They even said their comics were shit.
The truth is, Marvel is swimming in money. They're not reeling from anything. Their comics are for the most part terrible and they deserve to be mostly absent from the bestsellers list (that said, in an ideal world, there's be a lot of non-big two stuff on there), but they're not hurt in any way. They're making so much money they're probably chopping it up and snorting it for laughs.
Hell, maybe that's why their comics are so shit. Moneydust related brain damage. Civil War certainly reads like a literal vegetable wrote it.
Josiah Nelson
>Marvel will start making real comics again That's adorable, user. Keep chasing that star.
Michael Gray
>pretending to criticize Marvel while defending it Are you still drunk? Holidays are over, user.
Nicholas Harris
Different user. Do you know that disney is so petty that if they see marvel comics doing bad, they will close their doors?
two, if they don't care about their comics sales, why loot crate, why artificially inflating their numbers?
Lincoln Flores
If you think that is a defense of Marvel you are actually retarded.
Marvel are doing NOTHING I want them doing right now. The last Marvel book worth reading recently ended and I doubt there'll be anything of its caliber produced by the company in 2017. But they're still making mad dosh and I am not delusional enough to think that somehow they're not.
I'm not defending Marvel, I'm just not stupid enough to think that they're hurting. And I will mock anyone retarded enough to delude themselves into thinking they're somehow in dire straits when in reality they're more successful than any comic company has been in decades. In an ideal world, these numbers would be a sign that they need to change, and maybe they would, but this isn't an ideal world, and Marvel is making too much money via movies to care.
Jason Sanchez
>Do you know that disney is so petty that if they see marvel comics doing bad, they will close their doors?
Disney is currently pushing Marvel to cut X-Men because they don't have the rights. Why? Because while comics make a negligible amount of money for them, they understand their value as a marketing tool for potential film properties related to comics. This is what Marvel comics are now.
>two, if they don't care about their comics sales, why loot crate, why artificially inflating their numbers?
Because hype. People seeing that something does well makes them want to find out why. That's it.
Nicholas Allen
tl;dr I'm not a Marvel shill although I'll defend them to death
Aiden Gomez
>they're shit >defense
Do you come from Bizzaro Sup Forums?
This is like saying that someone is defending Bayformers when they acknowledge the reality that those awful films make a ton of profit.
Julian Sanchez
>Disney is currently pushing Marvel to cut X-Men because they don't have the rights No they're not, it's the Marvel CEO that is doing that.
>if it makes money, it's good Give this kid another cent.
Austin Howard
>Disney is currently pushing Marvel to cut X-Men not disney, but perlmutter learn your facts, before your shill
>Because hype. to whom? 45 year old neckbears?
Jaxson Ortiz
>No they're not, it's the Marvel CEO that is doing that.
...Who answers to Disney. Retard.
I'm not saying it's good. I'm saying it makes money. Those are separate things.
Something can be bad but unfortunately be very successful.
Landon Bailey
except Perlmutter is currently Disney's third largest stockholder.
Kevin Evans
>>if it makes money, it's good
That's not what they're saying you fucking moron. They're saying it's bad while also acknowledging the fact that it makes money.
Anthony Bennett
...Which means he has a vested interest in pushing what the company wants. If it seems to him like removing the X-Men will benefit Disney, that's what he'll do.
Of course, he's backing off on that now because it turned out to be dumb. Hopefully his life will soon sputter and fail like his retarded Inhumans push.
Lucas Hernandez
Don't bother.
The guy you're arguing with is either trolling or too delusional to understand language without twisting it to mean something else he can strawman the fuck up with.
Andrew Mitchell
>Within the hour of Carrie Fisher’s death hitting the news, we had a few people (new faces) digging for Star Wars variants with her likeness. Fucking hell.
You can expect Marvel to have a variant month honoring Carrie Fisher. Screencap this.
Jose Brooks
>...Who answers to Disney. Retard. >...Which means he has a vested interest in pushing what the company wants. If it seems to him like removing the X-Men will benefit Disney, that's what he'll do. dude, it seems like you're stuck in 2012 it's 2017.
if you shitpost, at least have a clue what you're shitposting about
Adrian Cook
Are you implying those statements are contradictory? They're not.
Perlmutter isn't all powerful within the company. He recently got BTFO by the rest of Disney's stockholders about his mishandling of a lot of Marvel related stuff. This is why certain film projects have been knocked down to TV productions.
