Let's settle this once and for all

>let's settle this once and for all
is this a good movie?

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Yeah, but not as good as Destroy All Monsters

Weakest out of all the Godzilla films and I've seen them all. B grade X-Men for kids.

it's a bit tryhard and overall uneven as fuck, but definitely has tons of fun parts.

HCW was a much better (belated) 50th anniversary story

>B grade X-Men for kids.
Director Kitamura's goal was for young adult males to say "hey, this time Godzilla looks cool. Let's check it out" to their girlfriends. Did he succeed?

It's fucking insane is what it is.

>but not as good as Destroy All Monsters
Not the most compelling argument. Destroy All Monsters isn't good to begin with, user.

not a masterpiece, but very entertaining

Intentionally or unintentionally? Are you laughing with it or at it? Keep in mind it was meant to be taken seriously.

I always start my 3Ds off with the Heisei series, and depending on where the fall in the spectrum of "This is silly and fun" or "I like the JSDF and Godzilla as a threat" depends on whether or not I proceed with Showa or Millennium.

>it was meant to be taken seriously

>I always start my 3Ds off with the Heisei series
You actually win people over with those?

Not the guy you're replying to but I was always under the impression that Heisei was the most "high quality" era. Like most well produced costumes, interesting monsters, and well thought out characters. Like Hedorah might be my favorite goji movie but I wouldn't try to win people over with it.

It's a bad movie but good fan service

>I was always under the impression that Heisei was the most "high quality" era

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAh, not really, but it did start out strong with ROTG and Biollante

What?

>Heisei
>High quality
Sure if you start and stop at Godzilla vs Biollante. Otherwise you have the stalest human characters and stories of the series, effects that routinely look worst than similar efforts decades earlier, immobile/obese monsters sparking and spamming beams, and lazily shot movies that take themselves far too seriously. Watch Shusuke Kaneko's Gamera Trilogy and you'll never look at the Heisei Godzilla movies the same way again. Also I recommend not viewing the Showa Series has a whole. Divide it in two after Monster Zero and the earlier half is the best period of the entire franchise.

tkfag right on the dot

Biollante wasn't that good either.

Fast-paced, most of the fights end very abruptly. Other than that, it's good. Very different from other Godzilla movies through its pacing, which is why
says this stuff.

>B grade X-Men for kids
So yeah, it's good by Godzilla standards.

>it was meant to be taken seriously
Not as seriously as you think. It was merely supposed to be cool.

Its terrible. It gets over hyped like crazy on this website and while I like the monster fights the absolute shit human segments bring the movie way down as a whole.

Yeah but godzilla vs king ghidorah is a campy masterpiece. It has plot holes out the ass, but is entertaining as fuck. It's almost like its the perfect version of the movie OP posted.

>So yeah, it's good by Godzilla standards.
What are Godzilla standards and what movies do you think hold up as actual movies?

>Biollante wasn't that good either.

give it another chance, user.

The only good Godzilla is the 1954 one.

nah. it is the only great one, though.

>inb4 shinfags

Wrong!

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Shin Godzilla
>9 Japanese Academy Awards
>Kinema Junpo's Best Screenwriter Award and runner up for best Japanese movie of its year
>3 Mainichi Film Awards
>Blue Ribbon Awards for Best Film
>Yokohama Film Festival for Special Grand Prize
>Nominated for Saturn Awards' Best International Film
>Critical acclaim from Japanese critics and mostly positive Western reviews. Its the best received Godzilla since the original.

Return of Godzilla is not a good movie.

yes. not great, but good

>is this movie serious?
no, and it was never meant to be. or at least not in the way a movie like 1954 or 1984 was. Its a fast paced action movie, essentially, something like the most of the godzilla movies made after godzilla vs the thing until 1984. this means no real deep subtext, but at the same time it doesnt have any pretensions about itself. like godzilla vs king ghidorah which like maybe 20% of the time wanted to have some deep story about japan and ww2, but also desperatly wanted that back to the future 2 money so it crammed that shit in

I dont really see how this can be called the worst, the things it does (like rip off other, more successful movies) were blatantly done in the heisei movies after 1989, but everyone cums over movies liek destroyah and king ghidorah because heisei nostalgia (biollante and 1984 were good, but that whole series went to shit the moment biollante bombed and they said fuck all to any descent writers)

I liked the one directed by Kaneko, it was shot rather well and it wasn't incoherent or anything.
As with literally every Godzilla film, it lacks any meaningful characters and it's jarring to see some liked Tokyo SOS / Mechagodzilla as if it resembled Evangelion at all.

The first Godzilla was an actual film, Anno's Godzilla as well (with shallow characters; even though they themselves weren't the focus because Japan was which makes it alright) . Everything else has a wide range and I personally love Godzilla the most when it's just very creatively entertaining and resembling Sci-Fi movies. Which doesn't happen very often.

Agreed, Anno's version was quite good, but still lacking in some aspects.

I didn't say it wasn't good, but it gets hyped a lot when it's no better than Destoroyah for example. I think some argued that Biollante is quite... sad? It's like saying A New Hope is sad when you emotionally don't get invested in those characters a lot and moreso in the story and its progress. It's, at most, superficially sad. Especially when people project stuff into it.

>Shin Godzilla
Oh, there we go.

>when it's no better than Destoroyah
you must really have a low opinion of biollante, because destoroyah is irredeemably awful. takao okawara's tv movie tier direction and framing, omori's hackneyed script where basically no character ever gives a single reason to care about them, legitamatly the only decent things about that movie were maybe the first and last 5 minutes

>Destoroyah
Several years ago this was one of my favorites.Tried to watch it for the first time since then a few weeks ago and no more than thirty minutes in I had to give up. It's so painfully dull and lifeless.

What do you feel about Mothra vs Godzilla (1964), Monster Zero, and Godzilla vs Hedorah?

What the fuck

Ya, true, Biollante at least tried.
It was nice to give the humans some enemies, however, before they grew into a bigger monster.
As far as the story goes, Biollante is obviously superior. I still wouldn't call it all too good.

I only remember Vs Hedorah, it was quite the mess. Very 60s/70s, especially when you get to the dance scenes.
I did like the fight scenes, but that's a given thanks to its era. Dumb wrestling looks fun.

I would have liked it a lot more, if they had a Ghostbusters-esque squad doing the cleaning and helping Godzilla beat it.

>tfw people will never understand the love a father has for his rose/daughter/monster

Godzilla vs Hedorah is ambitious, alienating, exciting, and works despite its faults. The experience is the most important thing and its mixture of various tones/genres works in its favor. Like the unorthodox music. It continuously evolves as a film until the third act where it becomes a more traditional Godzilla movie, though it still manages to hold attention. Simultaneously it manages to be one of the darkest and child-friendly entries in the entire series. And surprisingly the special effects are quite decent. Imo it deserves to sit somewhere in the latter half of the top ten best Godzilla movies of all time.

As a Godzilla movie? It's OK at best but overall a letdown with a few good scenes

As a shitty Jap/B-movie? It's fucking great full of blatant ripoffs of Hollywood movies, absurd fights, and over the top scenes that still make you cheer when they happen

King Gidorah turning into that thing ruins it. How can you take that glorious three headed golden beast and turn it into burnt poo.

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youre trying to make it sound artistic when its a film full of flaws that never even tried to be anything as you imagined it to be
you can like it but dont pretend its something more than a trashy movie

it never showed any deep reasons to be what you say it is. its simple speculation, something i can do with any movie too

don frye carries the human segments and the monster scenes are great

I'm not trying to make it sound artistic. I'm just describing it as is. It has more going for it than anything else around it and most of what comes after it. I agree that Godzilla vs Hedorah is not deep. It shamelessly bares its themes and intentions for all who dares to witness them. However, I still enjoy its experimentation, cynicism, and strangeness. Dismissing it as simply a bad film is a serious disservice.

That's lumpy poo poo too. It has the cracks the curves and everything.

I agree with you 100% on Don Frye but I found the monster scenes way too goofy and overloaded with shitty Japanese cgi

Weren't they going to make a new Gamera movie? I saw a trailer for it a year or two ago but nothing ever came of it

I know I enjoyed it. But I don't know if I can call it good.

Such a good book.

A proof-of-concept trailer was shown at New York Comic-Con back in 2015 and Katsuhito Ishii was attached to the project as director. Since then there hasn't been any news whatsoever.

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Godzilla vs Biollante has some standout characters and narrative ideas, incredible special effects that still holdup, and a haunting atmosphere. On the other hand the music editing is lacking as some selections either end abruptly or kill the mood of certain scenes, the film attempts to juggle too many elements at times, and it has a few lackluster performances. Still better than anything else to come out of this era.

It was stupid and fun.