bbc.co.uk
>The European Parliament's lead negotiator on Brexit, said the EU still offered the "cure" for "the cancer of nationalism"
>Juncker warns EU faces threat from "galloping nationalism"
>A European Union controlled military is the only 'cure'
There you have it Sup Forums. Love your country? Then your an evil nationalist nazi that must be removed like a tumor.
SHAME ON YOU.
>Love your country? Then your an evil nationalist nazi
say no one ever dumbfuck.
Patriotism = love your country
Nationalism = hate other country
No prob. I don't have anything to love about my country anymore.
Nationalists in Europe are like secessionists. They should and must be obliterated before their cancer takes hold and destroys this great union. We need an Abraham Lincoln to go Old Testament on their ilk to save our great country.
Nationalism has multiple meaning's you cuck.
nationalism
ˈnaʃ(ə)n(ə)lJz(ə)m/
noun
noun: nationalism
patriotic feeling, principles, or efforts.
"an early consciousness of nationalism and pride"
synonyms: patriotism, patriotic sentiment, allegiance/loyalty to one's country, loyalism, nationality;
Second potato famine when?
You've never read a book, have you?
Nationalism is curing Europe, the EU is the cancer
Unfortunately for you Ireland, this time the secessionists will win. All the people I've ever met who are pro-EU are mincing faggots. Men voted out, and men will slit your throat in the street for freedom.
>A European Union controlled military is the only 'cure'
This is actually pretty scary, are those the words he used?
What if you're an EU nationalist? I want a big strong united militaristic Europe. Death to inferior non-Europeans. Lebensraum now
Ceterum censeo EU esse delendam
> t. wojcech polski
Fuck off Patrick
THE ETERNAL MICK. Remove potato.
Then you're a fag gypsy.
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Fuck Europe, glass it.
>europe is for the people
>but the people want something we their rul- leaders don't
>therefore we need a european army to force them into a situation against their will
America is NOT going to bail out Europe for a third time in 100 years. This time Europe burns to ash and its people starve.
>NOT
>ONE
>FUCK
>GIVEN
Oh shut up, Pierre. What you think is nationalism is known as chauvinism.
>Have German liberal friend
>Told me nationalism is bad because it makes you look down on other countries
Do people honestly believe that all countries are equal? Of course I'm going to look down on third world countries.
>loving your own kids means you hate all other kids
Why couldn't it have been you who died in those attacks you dumbshit? Oh well, I'm sure there'll be another one soon enough.
You're an idiot
(((CURE)))
Democracy doesn't work above more than a couple million people. We need many small independent economies and states. International cooperation based on short lasting agreements with only minor economic fines for backing out of are great.
Massive political unions and perpetual international treaties are a kike trap. Large capitalist "democracies" have been more successful for the kikes than communism ever was (also unlike communism it doesn't erase them).
Go fucking kill yourselves
t. National traditionalist.
What about the US? It's arguably the most successful nation this/last century.
We're more a republic than a democracy, people complaining about the electoral college is basically proof of it
But it works
In a way, they're also nationalists, but for an artificial nation (Europe) that only a small percentage of people actually believe in.
1. It's Verhofstadt who wants to see the blue flag that bears the yellow stars fly over all public buildings in twenty-eight countries or more.
2. It's Verhofstadt who wants to annex Serbia, Bosnia, Albania, Macedonia and Ukraine.
3. It's Verhofstadt who keeps talking about shared European values and shared European interests, and then defines them to mean whatever is convenient for him politically.
4. It's Verhofstadt who insists on military parades in front of the European Parliament.
5. It's Verhofstadt who has openly said that he wants the European Union to turn into the United States of Europe and form an actual state as defined by the Montevideo Convention.
>Democracy doesn't work above more than a couple million people.
If ever a citation was needed....
The US is a massively corrupt, 60% white, materialistic, hedonistic and quickly declining kikeshow. It's hardly a model example of running a state.
>an artificial nation
All nations are artificial.
Yet most of them are formed on some naturally developed boundaries, such as ethnicity and language.
Fuck off with this edgy "let me tell you about the government" shit. Every nation and way of governing has its issues.
The USA has become steadily less democratic over the past century, it's basically an oligarchy now. In it's prime, it was a good example of a huge democratic nation.
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I wouldn't mind if all Western countries united.
The problem is that, if the immigration and patronizing treatment of minorities is anything to go by, the leadership is JUST FUCKING INCOMPETENT.
>Every nation and way of governing has its issues.
Yes, that's totally my argument. It was nice talking to you, retard.
Haha. You meme'd me, sir.
"Its issues" doesn't mean something is rotten to the core and fundamentally flawed
Yes, the constitution and the intentions of the founding fathers have rapidly been eroded and the ideals keep being destroyed more and more by the year.
Nations are as natural as any social interaction between any two humans. Nations are things that play a large role in the identity of people who are part of those nations, and nations determine the worldly fates of the individuals who form the nation.
Verhofstadt believes that there is a European Nation, and that from this supposed fact should follow a single European State.
maybe you'll bail out israel to the tune of $38bn again instead eh goy?
>we must remove the fascist, nationalist european states because they are evil
but how?
>we must create a fascist super state and force everyone to surrender their rights and freedoms to us
Why would anyone want to live in a Europe where a small group of elite politicians barely anyone has heard of controlled an army overlooking 500 million citizens?
Why would anyone want to live in a Europe where the EU controlled an army despite the fact they can't control immigration or deliver strong economic growth?
Why would anyone want to live in a Europe where national armies are weakened, causing more youth unemployment, an issue the EU is currently failing to tackle on a continental scale?
They aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
Yeah, but those things change. Far more Europeans speak a common language now than every before in history.
Likewise, ethnicity is largely arbitrary, most ethnicities have sub-identities within them, hell, people in one city generally see themselves as special and unique from people in another city. 800 years ago, people in neighbouring villages were 'foreign'.
Let them cry all they fucking want the military will own strengthen nationalists. Them pushing back on nationalism will only see a rise in nationalism. Will see how much blood is spilled in the next 20yrs.
Nothing Man creates can last forever.
>wait that's not a tumor, that's my brain!
You're thinking hyper-nationalism and unironic racism.
>Love your country?
lmao how could anyone love this piece of shit after leftists and globalists have been doing everything in their power to ruin it for 30+ years now
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The US has become nothing more than a weapon for the kikes, it serves their purpose to keep its economy running well. Just as it serves their purpose to keep the EU economy running well.
Would Europe without the EU and independent states in the US not fucked with the interstate commerce clause every 5 minutes have been as economically successful? Maybe, maybe not.
What use is economic success in the face of white genocide though?
Jingoism.
The word is "jingoism".
they never were trying
Which still does nothing to change the fact that those identities are naturally formed out of the greater consciousness of a people and are not just arbitrarily and artificially formed. The people in a singular nation are alike. The Oxford dictionary defines a nation as : A large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory:
Far from artificial, even if parts of the people were artificially attached, or detached from the nation. It is still the product of a people's culture and greater ambitions.
No these are brexit shills distorting his words.
This so called EU army will be similar to NATO. They will still be under individual countries command but will share a common HQ for more efficiency.
Brexoteers are on suicide watch because NATO will be replaced (even Trump said he doesn't give a shit about it) with a European alliance and the UK will be left out on our own.
>Why would anyone want to live in a Europe where the EU controlled an army despite the fact they can't control immigration or deliver strong economic growth?
This is the most worrying development in the European Union.
They take more and more power away from national governments, and then totally fuck up in exercising that power.
But you can't take the power back, because the transfer of power goes only one way. So all you can do is watch as these do-gooders fuck your life up.
>unironic racism
No. Racism in itself doesn't require one to hate, mistreat, or advocate the mistreatment of other races. It simply requires one to acknowledge the differences and "objective" superiority of certain races in some aspect.
The EU is cancer. Cancer is the perfect allegory for it. Like, literally.
>breaking news: globalist dislikes nationalism
more on this as it develops
So what?
Even if big bad Putin wasn't just a propaganda exercise by the kikes he'd still have to go through Europe to reach them.
>What use is economic success in the face of white genocide though?
Unity of white Europe is the answer to white genocide. If far rights are on the rise now, they are disparate fringe groups fighting for Hungary or France or whatever, but imagine if it were all centralized, fighting for Europe.
German liberals are the worst. Product of decades of brainwashing
>mfw saw one of those videos showing all the migrants in Europe
>fuck ton of muslims doing a prayer in Berlin or some major city, on their knees and bowing
>see German natives among them
First on the fucking rope.
>We need an Abraham Lincoln to go Old Testament on their ilk to save our great country.
German Lincolnweiss when?
1. Because all nations are run by a small elite, and they always control the army. How is the EU different? I haven't heard of the bulk of the House of Commons, let alone the House of Lords or the Civil Service, yet they're a small elite controlling an army overlooking 60 million citizens.
Phrasing stuff in vaguely scary sounding language doesn't make one system different from the other. Given that the EU Commission is elected by the EU Parliament and the House of Lords is not, yet both fufil the same function, the EU is actually more democratic than the UK government and the army currently 'overlooking' me.
2. How does border security or economy preclude the ability to have military cooperation? The USA's border security has been a joke for decades yet we've been in NATO since it's inception, which is essentially what is being called for with the """"EU Army"""". Joint European military cooperation, standardisation and inoperability.
3. The British Army is a tiny, tiny fucking employer of the youth. Our entire manpower is 80,000 out of a population of tens of millions.
First you imply EU Army will be this colossal corps of stormtroopers overlooking 500 million citizens with an iron fist, then you say the EU is too incompetent to run such army so it's a waste of money THEN you imply this anti-democratic military force won't be big enough for you and will cause youth unemployment.
Make your mind up.
Repeating digits recognized
No surprsise.
The EU is the most unnationalistic thing on the planet.
Individual freedom of a single country? We can't have that now can we?
>They will still be under individual countries command but will share a common HQ for more efficiency.
In what delusional world of yours would being under a single command be more efficient? Nevermind the massive issues of giving away national sovereignty to yet another unelected bureucrat of the EU machine.
The Supreme Commander of the Defence Forces of Finland is the The President of the Republic of Finland and the Chief of Defence is a Finnish general or even field marshal. Not some fat German politician working for the sole benefit of his own country.
>Individual freedom of California? We can't have that now can we?
bullshit.
>Europe
What Europe? The pathetic image the EU politicians have been trying to build of some magical, illogical and dysfunctional European unity? A thing that absolutely does not exist?
and they call us the fascists?
>A large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory
Europe has all those things though.
1200 years ago, England was divided into warring kingdoms who each had their own unique speshul snowflake identity. Yet Wessex or Northumbria never would have been as successful as England. If they hadn't have united, England today would probably be a collection of Danish colonies. Times change.
No nation of the planet has existed as a distinct entity long enough to claim that nations are something inherent to a particular piece of geography or certain group of people.
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The one with fair skin, liberal secular values, Christianity as its cultural cornerstone, shared history, separated from the rest of the world through the Mediterranean, Atlantic, English Channel and Russia's western border
That's what you said the last two times
>Europe doesn't have distinct borders
wat
>1200 years ago, England was divided into warring kingdoms who each had their own unique speshul snowflake identity
Did they have their own unique cultures? Did they speak their own languages? Were their religions and art distinct from another. What about their weaponry and armour? Are you certain they were kingdoms, instead of just tribes?
I'm certain they were closer to eachother than for example a Finn is to a Greek.
>No nation of the planet has existed as a distinct entity long enough to claim that nations are something inherent to a particular piece of geography or certain group of people.
Because the unification of people into a singular nation requires certain conditions that could not have been met before those points in history. A nation requires agriculture and civilization, a system of rulership. Nations cannot simply pop out of the ground.
I'm talking about the EU idea of a pan-European identity and superstate that they've been pushing for years now. The one they are trying to construct.
And what was my post about?
Nationalism is cancer, but the EU is like nationalism on turbo autism.
Only slavs can save us now.
Hungary, help us.
An idea the EU is not trying to push.
>800 years ago, people in neighbouring villages were 'foreign'.
800 years ago the concept of Swedes already existed and that identity persisted, even in Estonian Ösel, long before we actually had territories there.
You're right about everyone having local culture as well, villages, regions, cities, neighbourhoods even, but that national sense of identity has still largely been the same.
>Nationalism is cancer,
I bet you don't have a single argument to back that up.
>The EU is cancer
EU is a conspiracy by international banks to destroy the democracy of nation states, the only challenger to their power (remember what Iceland did in financial crisis, bankers want to prevent that heresy from ever happening again;democracy challenged the banks and won). Crazy western communists (Merkel,Barroso,Juncker; Hollande,Timmermans) were promoted to highest levels of European politics for that purpose with bankers money; to destroy democracy.
nationalism is cancer
the problem is that the other side is even bigger cancer
instead of shittalking some imaginary enemy maybe europe should make something about millions of women who behave like whores
or maybe millions of immigrants raping them
or maybe millions of men enabling that
>nationalism is cancer
No it is not. Sensible nationalism establishes a proud love for your own nation and a healthy friendly respect for other peoples and their nations. It intrinsically stops the centralization of power, thus preventing mass-corruption and retarded economical protectionism, like buying tonnes of butter and leaving it to rot to protect markets.
Nothing good ever comes from giving power to a single entity.
Only isreal can have nationalism goys!
im traditionalist school
nationalism is not organic, but made up in the 19th century
juncker is based, those so called "righwing" parties are usually a fifth russian column; they have to be contaminated or else they will spread their ignorance over our innocent youth.
>Did they have their own unique cultures?
They certainly thought so.
>Did they speak their own languages?
Yes, to a degree, they had a recent common Germanic ancestry with Latin influences.
>Were their religions and art distinct from another.
In some areas more than others. Architecture in Wessex for example, was significantly influenced by the regions greater exposure to the European mainland. Same with weapons and armour, and with military tactics. Wessex was the last Saxon kingdom to hold against the Danelaw, they did this partly through the adoption of burghs, fortified towns that mimicked similar counter-raider fortificatios gaining popularity in mainland Europe, the ancestors of later castles.
>Are you certain they were kingdoms
Yup. Definately kingdoms.
>I'm certain they were closer to eachother than for example a Finn is to a Greek.
Certainly. But that's an arbitrary distinction. Finns are closer to Greeks than they are to Polynesians or Chinese. British are closer to Spaniards than they are to Russians.
It's stupid to use these are artificial barriers to greater cooperation in a world set to be increasingly dominated by giant, populous nations like the USA, China and India over the next century.
If the Saxon kingdoms hadn't united, we'd be speaking Danish. I don't want my descendants to be speaking Chinese or Hindi. EU isn't perfect but it's the best way to avoid that. Having more people and territory never made any people LESS secure.
Everything is organic and driven by our natural needs and desires. Humans as tribal animals wish to live and prosper with their own folk, valuing them more than the others. Nationalism is simply this nature of ours taken to the highest effectively functional level.
wew lad
its like whole world is nationalistic of something desu senpai
>EU isn't perfect but it's the best way to avoid that.
No it is not. The EU is corrupt, ever growing, seeks to further its politcians' and lobbyists' interests instead of the interests of European peoples. The EU disregards its own rules and regulations and its economical system is built to benefit the already strong nations, whilst fucking up the periphery.
I would be all in for an actually effective union, but the EU is everything but.
no, nationalism is a bunch of 19th century thinkers scrapping traditional tribal way of living and making up wild shit
also humans are not animals, evolutionist mongrel
Because "white Christian Europe" would sound so good for normies.