Why was this plot point completely forgotten about immediately after it happened?
Sansa doesn't react at all to the news
Ramsay clearly didn't believe it and I doubt the other Northern lords believe it either and if that's the case why did they declare an oath-breaking bastard (in their eyes) as King?
>Son of Ned Stark.
>Served at the wall at his own choice.
>Killed 2 separate bands of mutineers of the nights watch (Pretty much the worst most dishonorable thing anyone can do)
>Steward of one of the most honorable men of the north.
>The only northerner in westeros to ever band the free folk together for a cause other than slaughtering innocents across the wall, an a righteous and selfless one at that.
>Defeated house bolton, the scourge of the north for generations in glorious and justified combat.
>Willingly left the nights watch after serving swift justice and effectively quintupling the ammount of men watching over the wall with the wildlings.
>Didn't ask to be king after all this, only asked to unite the north against a common enemy.
Who the fuck else could be king in the north? Who else even comes close to qualifying?
>Outbreaker
His watch ended when he died.
>in their eyes
Because it's the last thing that happened in the books and they needed to answer it in the show since we wont get any more books.
>His watch ended when he died.
How did anyone else know about this?
What do you mean "In their eyes"? Every northerner knew all of that. Do you think all of the noble houses of the north just kept their heads up their ass and never took ravens from the wall, and just forever remained ignorant of Jon Snow's deeds?
You honestly think the northern lords would see Jon Snow as nothing more than an oath-breaking bastard knowing all he's done and directly claiming vengeance against Roose Bolton (Who none of the lords liked, I'll remind you) for murdering the last true-born male Stark? Who was just a boy?
Congrats, you realize this is a shit soap opera written by hacks for plebs
>read the bible
>oh jesus resurrects?
>how do we make a 2deep4u plot
resurrection or coming back from death is the biggest trope in the history of storytelling.
I haven't read the books but the impression I got was that literally no one cares about the wall at this point. The history and motivation of its origin has been lost for centuries. It's just kind of a thing people do now; it's more a work camp/prison than a noble defense of all mankind.
If enough people you respect say it's ok if this guy left his post, you'd probably just accept it.
In this case, the people with respect knew about Jon's resurrection. We never hear how everyday citizens of the north react to this information. Who knows fact from fiction in this universe; there are tales of men who fuck dragons and have white-haired children who defy thermodynamics.
Did Zack Snyder secretly direct season 6?
>the people with respect knew about Jon's resurrection
who?
The lord of the noble northern houses, who would be receiving ravens from the wall, and later meeting with people who personally vouch for the fact; Sansa and Davos
and they'd just believe it if a bird came saying he died and then got resurrected?
TFW you run out of source material to pillage and have to rely on your personal skills as a writer and fuck the entire series up. sad!
They would if he came back down to kill the most feared and hated cunt in the north to claim back the ancestral stark home for the starks, and had both davos seaworth and lady sansa vouching for him. And thats exactly what they did, believe it, and declare him king for his deeds and selfless concern for the northern people.
that scene was the last time we saw Ghost
did sansa even know about that? my memory isn't gready
also who gives a shit about what davos says
Well, technically it wasn't because Melisandre was present during the last season and even had scenes that called back to Jon's Resurrection and Stannis' fall.
was he the Harvey Weinstein of Game of Thrones ?
i don't think harvey had any trouble getting pussy
Northerners are retarded savages, they also believe in the Ice zombies without any proof. Even if they didn't believe this while retarded they are extremely loyal to the Starks. They would follow Jon even if he told them suck him off
No because he was killed before he could get to a ginger Tully pussy
aaaggh...
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>TFW you run out of source material to pillage and have to rely on your personal skills as a writer and fuck the entire series up. sad!
Kek. Even george rr stopped watching that shite
Cause they're shit writers and they just revived him cause they knew groupies loved him too much.
No, because unlike Harvey, he was trying to be more subtle and insidious. He still failed though.
There was literally no point in him dying only to be resurrected immediately after. It served no purpose other than to spook the guys who mutinied him.
Jon should have stayed dead. It would have been interesting to see where things go without him.
and the only reason he failed was an autistic-acting crippled boy with supernatural mental abilities
Jon was already an oathbreaker long before he died though.
yeah and no one even questions his abilities, it's like "hey this weirdo, he has visions and shit so that's that" and his acting is stiff as hell, he's like a ghost and no one gives a fuck.
It was just to create something for normies to talk about and jerk off over. It's inconsequential and was a waste of time.
What if all this was for Dany to be triggered over these scars and realize how brave Jon is and fall in love with him and fuck him etc etc
>>Defeated house bolton
Yeah, he worn them out by letting all of his men be slaughtered after falling for the cheapest trick in the book, and then he sent a psychic message back in time to tell Sansa to call the knights in the vale to save his incompetent ass.
>>Willingly left the nights watch after serving swift justice
Is there supposed to be something honorable about "willingly" relinquishing your command when there's no reason you should beside you wanting to? Also it's pretty convenient how he decided that death absolved him from his oath only AFTER he got his revenge.
Kinda, but i doubt the writers had a real plan when they revived him. Now they're forcing a Dany-Jon love and possibly happy ending.
>Why was this plot point completely forgotten about immediately after it happened?
BACOZ DA REEL THRET IS TO DA NORF
AHV SEEN DA NAHT KING
he'll be resurrected in the books too, but his personality will change. george martin isn't a talentless hack like the showrunners, so he'd never kill the character and bring him back to life unless it was a genuinely transformative experience.
is that why we don't see the Lade Stoneheart in the show?
Yes, that's what they should have done. But in the span of one or two episodes, he's suddenly ok with being alive again and no one talks about it anymore. In a good show, you would adress this regularly to see how he evolves with it...but GoT has given up.
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>extremely loyal to the starks
>*hands only remaining male stark over to his inevitable death*
how?
IM COMING MY LORD
>Jon in the ADWD
>abandons the watch to go rescue "Arya" after receiving the Pink Letter from Ramsay, the NW which is supposed to be neutral, now in jeopardy of extinction because the fucking Lord Commander is riding to Winterfell to fight Ramsay.
>Jon gets stabbed for being an oathbreaker, understandably, as every brother in black would be executed by the Boltons for not staying neutral
>marries Alys Karstark to the Thenn heir to ease into a northman/wildling alliance for the coming Winter
>Alliser Throne who has no fondness for the "traitors bastad" still respect the office of Lord Commander and goes to Eastwatch on Jon's orders. nowhere near castle black when jon gets stabbed
>Jon in the show
>gets stabbed for no reason other than letting wildlings through the wall (NW =drumpf)
>Alliser Thorne stabs Jon because pic related
>Abandons the watch after resurrecting because jon is a good boi who can do no wrong
NOT ONLY A BASTAD, BUT A TRAITORS BASTAD
>I haven't read the books
The books currently end with his death. It's theorised he will be resurrected, but it likely won't be as easy and without consequences as in the show.
How do we know this?
Catelyn Stark:
>resurrected as Lady Stoneheart
>consumed by rage (hangs Freys, Brienne and later Jaime)
>doesn't resemble her old personality at all
Beric Dondarrion
>resurrected 6 times
>mortal injuries stay the way they were, even his skull is bashed in.
>with each resurrection, he forgets more of his past, to the point where he considers Thoros his surrogate mother, since he's the first face he remembers.
Resurrection is costly in ASoIaF. Meanwhile the show plays the "Only mostly dead" card.
>gets stabbed for no reason other than letting wildlings through the wall (NW =drumpf)
On top of that: they didn't kill him when he decided to go save the wildlings and let them through the wall, or when he gave the command, or when he was at the gate, in the most vulnerable position possible.
They let him through with the horde of people who would be pretty pissed if he got killed, waited a bit for everybody to settle nicely, and THEN killed him.
dude turn your brain off lmao
STANNIS!
STANNIS!
STANNIS!
>my lord
"Yer Grace" scum
AHHHH STANNIS
HELLLLLPPP
I don't think anyone in this universe takes his/her oaths seriously.
Also the North is full of idiots.
IS THAT HOW YOU SPEAK TO YOUR KING!?!?
Arrgghhhh, Robert help me!
UNGL BLENGN
HOWB??
>Also it's pretty convenient how he decided that death absolved him from his oath only AFTER he got his revenge.
bingo
Reminder Dornes are behind everything, Varys and Aegon are working with them and Oberyn was the one who really killed Joffrey. Quentyn was an expendable in the Dornish plot and basically their Theon Greyjoy, he was giving a fools errand which he thought was important but ended up getting himself killed instead. Dornes and Varys are killing all the male heirs in Westeros while keeping Tyrion's niece hostage, Tyrion himself will be spared their revenge and work it out what the Martells are doing once he finds out where do whores go?
HOLY SHIT I WAS DEAD, BROOO!
Also the fortune teller Cersei visited when she was a child was a 100% Dornish plant to drive her crazy, Cersei isn't batshit insane like her narrative wants us to make her think, she has made some retarded decisions but everything she claims is true. Dornes will also side with Tyrion who winds up ruling Meeren while Daenerys is away winning his trust by giving him Brightroar.
I think in the novels it won't be this method but rather Mel persuaded either Rattleshirt or Mance to glamoru as Jon and take a knife for him. Why bother introducing an item that can change your appearance and not use it to avoid assassination attempts when you have a Red Priest on hand telling you people want to murder you?
Nice
>Why was this plot point completely forgotten about immediately after it happened?
It was mentioned several times in season 6 and in season 7. I guess you weren't paying attention.
>Now they're forcing a Dany-Jon love
That was the point from the entire beginning, and it's not forced. Anybody who watches their scenes and knows their backgrounds, understands why it happened.
>and possibly happy ending.
Would that really be so horrible? Why do people think Game of Thrones is all about misery? It never was. Shitty people do shitty things, and good people die, but those shitty people always get their comeuppance in the end.
R'hollor and The Great Other aren't enemies but really lovers trapped somewhere
Just read the leaks, accept the writing sucks ass and stop giving money to HBO kikes. Watch curb insted or whatever.
>shitty people always get their comeuppance in the end
That’s literally the opposite point that the entire GoT series is trying to make.
who's gotten away with being evil?
>That’s literally the opposite point that the entire GoT series is trying to make.
Have you at all been paying attention? Joffrey, Ramsay, Roose, Walder, Tywin, etc. have all died. They were shitty people and they died.
Where did so many people get this notion that Game of Thrones has to end in misery? And why do they think that a bad ending is somehow deeper when it really isn't? Joffrey acted like an asshole, and he was killed because he was an asshole. Ramsay acted like an asshole, and he was killed because he was an asshole. Cersei is currently acting like an asshole, and that bitch is definitely going to die. Neither the show nor the books it was based off are about evil always winning.
The Mountain has had a pretty good run so far
so has Euron
in the books Vicatarion is a pretty massive cunt
euron, cersi, Ellaria,
All of those are dead meat.
>Ellaria, getting away with being evil
we talking show or books, because in the books she isn't really evil
>The Mountain has had a pretty good run so far
The Mountain is a brain dead zombie, and he is going to get his eventually.
Ellaria hasn't gotten away with anything. Euron and Cersei are basically the only "bad guys" left. In a show that has had dozens of shitty people, that's not exactly an indication that the shitty people always win.
You reckon The Mountain is going to end up raping and killing Cersei because he'll remember what Oberyn said?
Nobody in ASOIAF is really "good" or "evil" that's the whole point of the story you bakas.
High Sparrow is undeniably good.
So since the show is basically GrrM last books with cliff notes, this means Young Griff is a complete time waste to be invested in huh?
I predict his only uses will be
>killing Cersei, Tommen and their followers
>Meets up with Dany
>Dany: Hmm I'll test if you're a Targ...try and tame Rheagal
>Griff trys to tame dragon and gets cooked alive
>Varys: Yup Griff was just some peasant who looked like a Targ, sorry.
>Jon gets a dragon and the third one becomes a zombie
Young Griff is real and see my theories here
>Nobody in ASOIAF is really "good" or "evil" that's the whole point of the story you bakas
what about muh nigga ned
Pretty much. GOT has always been about a study of real life good vs. real life evil. Ruthless people like the Lannisters may win short term, but sow such ill will in society that unless they can moderate they are usually destroyed if people have the opportunity to do so.
Most of the theme of the show is about the selfless virtue of the Starks and how they inspire others to become virtuous. Good may lose short term but, in the end, Ned Stark is going to be the victor because he inspired his kids and those kids inspire goodness in others. The Hound is profoundly changed by his road trip with Arya. Theon drags himself out of his pit of despair to save Sansa. Dany learns humility, selflessness, and empathy because of Jon. Jonerys is really the ultimate expression of the theme of the show.
One of the theories was that he did warg in Ghost at his death so he can come back mostly the same.
There was another interesting theory about the next book, with not having a chapter with Jon as POV but someone close to him, observing that Jon was more distant and ruthless since his resurrection but we wouldn't mind since we know it's quite commone and then the last chapter would be with Ghost as POV knowing that Jon is still inside the wolf so the question would be what's inside Jon.
Pity show didn't go in any of those directions.
Yeah, the side that murders pregnant women and throws little kids off of roofs and tortures people for fun vs. muh honor. Such shades of grey there.
Don't forget twin incest taken so far that Cersei literally aborts all of Roberts kids so only Jaimes three kids inheirit.
If Jon didn't get someone to disguise themselves as him using Mel's necklace then I think Theon is going to somehow wind up posing as him since the Night's Watch will be too paranoid and insane over Jon's mutiny and will just allow it to happen to ease their guilt. If not then Mel saved Jon and when Arya gets to the wall finally Jon is going to offer her to Mel to use in a ritual as thanks for her life debt to him.
Post that same pasta where Theon becomes Jon and handing the Jon's corpse over to Ramsay who will flay it and using it as token of charm or something.
just watch me shower Sansa
Roose Bolton is gonna warg into Jon to escape his death in Winterfell.
Bolt-on 666
Because the wall doesn't matter after the wildlings were let through.
>who is Samwell Tarly
This user right here is why I hate the show. People truly believe shit like this.
>Who is Joseph Stalin
The author's self-insert.
>It's not forced
I guess what i mean by that, is that they're the too obvious choice and for once, i'd like to see something original about a couple, that doesn't feel like the next romantic comedy set up.
>Would that really be so horrible?
Yes, it would. Maybe you saw an optimistic GoT from the beginning, i don't know, but all of those familys are flawed and an happy ending wouldn't be so bad if they had prepared the terrain better for this relationship to begin.
Jon Snow doesn't really care anymore that he came back from the dead, it's like it didn't happen at all and he barely mentions it anymore. And in the span of one or two episodes, even though they had high doubts about each other, those two suddenly decide they are in love and fuck? If that's not forced, i don't know what is.
Have you been paying attention? You conveniently mention only bad people, when clearly there have been lots of good people who died!
Plus Tywin wasn't really a bad guy, i'm sorry. He was rough, he didn't care so much about family, but he ruled his world like a business. Something that most people willing to be King should have learned.
It's in the span of several episodes, not two episodes. And I don't see why it's forced. The two are young, attractive, and attracted to each other. They have a lot in common, and they are genetically inclined to want to fuck each other. Also, Jon is a king and Daenerys is a queen. There's a million different reasons why they were in love, so I don't see why it's forced at all. Jon petted Drogon, too, which was an instant turn-on.
It is funny, though, that in a show where Robb fell in love and married some nobody in the same amount of episodes, Jon and Daenerys would get so much flack. Jon and Daenerys had a whole lot more development and they made more sense than any other relationship in the show so far.
>Have you been paying attention? You conveniently mention only bad people, when clearly there have been lots of good people who died!
Irrelevant. I already stated that good people died. The point is that bad guy doesn't always win. The bad guy isn't immune to consequences, and the people who think the show will end in tragedy have no basis for their beliefs.
You're not better than I am because you want a dark, tragic ending. Lots of people think that that's what the story is about, but it isn't. There is a point to all of this, and it's not "Everybody dies! The end."
>Plus Tywin wasn't really a bad guy, i'm sorry. He was rough, he didn't care so much about family, but he ruled his world like a business. Something that most people willing to be King should have learned.
It could be argued that Tywin wasn't a bad guy. But the the fact is that, while he might have been the smartest person in Westeros, he was too stupid to treat his children well. He treated all of them like shit, and he was completely oblivious to Cersei and Jaime's incestuous relationship. And he set Tyrion up to be executed despite knowing that he probably didn't do it. That last fact is bizarre, since killing the wrong man would leave the true perpetrator roam free.
>I think in the novels it won't be this method but rather Mel persuaded either Rattleshirt or Mance to glamoru as Jon and take a knife for him.
We literally read the stabbing from Jon's POV.
>The two are young, attractive, and attracted to each other
>They are generally inclined to want to fuck
Omg did you jerkoff to those scenes thinking you were Dany? Wow you're gayer than gay
>There's a million different reasons why
I don't need reasons, i need better writing for fuck sake. Also it would help if Jon and Dany's acting were ten times better. This fucking couple looks like two depressed teens playing in a sandbox.
>There is a point to all of this
Oh? Enlighten me! Tell me the secret message of this show.
As GRRM himself said, Jon and Daenerys unite to face a common enemy. It's good vs evil.
Please tell me that quote is fake
Yeah and his original outline had Jaime murder everyone with a claim to the throne, pin the blame on Tyrion, and take the throne for himself.