Are there any secular arguments against gay marriage or homosexuality in general?

Are there any secular arguments against gay marriage or homosexuality in general?

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extinction

>significantly higher std rates

>significantly higher rates of suicide

>significantly higher rates of substance abuse

>significantly higher rates of child abuse

>chance of becoming homosexual increases significantly after being the victim of child abuse, meaning you aren't "born this way"

>slippery slope is true which is why we now have 4 year old children getting sex changes

>destroys the nuclear family and traditionalist


The natural state is to be disgusted by faggots. Only through indoctrination can you become tolerant to them

Yes, gay men have a higher iq
iq is somewhat inheritable
therefore gay men should breed children to increase the mean iq of the population.

lesbians don't actually exist, so no discussion endorsing or opposing them is necessary.

Only about 2% of men and 2% of women in this world identity as gay. At the rate we're going a little natural population control would be nice.

it's nasty

>Homosexuality in general
Gay culture is wildly hedonistic, and should not be promoted or accepted by mass media. If gays want to marry and live in committed, private relationships, that would be far preferable.

Supporting these things undermines and destroys society.

This

It's
literally
a mental illness
that you're not supposed to have
if you have it you're an aberration
Are there any secular arguments schizophrenia?

Widespread homosexuality is a sign of the behavioral sink in animals and a sign of end times in civilizations, supporting it would further the process. Also the role of marriage is neither taxes nor reproduction. As we can see today reproduction works fine without fathers, you only need a welfare state.
The purpose of marriage is fatherhood, to keep children under a father figure. Both a mother and father figure are necessary for an optimal raising of children, no it's not necessary, yes there can be exceptions, yes you can find some animal that lives with a matriarchy or some other social order, but father-mother families are the best there is for the human species.

Lesbian acting women do exist, and they have the worst possible children, a discussion needs to be had to prevent them from adopting.

The whole reason marriage is established is to give the incentive of tax breaks so people won't be as financially burdened to have kids.

Homosexual marriage is just subsidized faggotry

It doesnt work fine without fathers, they grow up to not want to work and be criminals. I'd rather a gay couple raise a kid then a negress single mom

>secular
Literally no one should give a shit. If society does give a fuck about them, their degenerate shit cant affect society.

exactly, lets start with those 160 milions of useless evolutionary dead ends.

gay men dont exists either you fucking fag.

Extinction is impossible because they're a minority

It is bizarre. All organisms thrive to push towards replication in terms of evolutionary biology, but love between two men or two women requires the knowledge that it ends there, your lineage.

I don't oppose gay marriage because I have no reason, it just is quite weird

Secular doesn't mean liberal.

>thinks secular means apathetic

How does changing the laws and the definition of marriage, and allowing children to get sex changes, not affect society?

Nope. In my experience in Aus, you're thousand times better off being raised by a gay couple than you are an abo """"""""family"""""""" for example.

That's the purpose of statist marriage, marriage should simply be a normal enforceable contract.

The real purpose of marriage is to tie men to their kids, mothers are tied to them anyway, but fatherless homes are the biggest destroyer of society, that's why societies with marriages were created.

The negress single mom can only do it because she has your taxes, if she didn't she'd be forced to have the father stay with the family to be able to raise them or they'd starve. It's not either or, you can fix both.

>It is bizarre. All organisms thrive to push towards replication in terms of evolutionary biology, but love between two men or two women requires the knowledge that it ends there, your lineage.

So what? You don't have to reproduce. I'm straight and have no intention of doing so. Way too much stress. Plus why the hell would anyone willingly bring more suffering into the world? If those gay or lesbian couples decide to adopt then good on them, it alleviates suffering.

What if homosexuality is the next step in our evolution? Natures way of birth control.

Aren't there a shit ton of gays that literally like going around and passing their STDs?

The purpose of life is procreation.

It's gross and kills my boner which is sexual oppression.

There are no secular arguments for anything
The idea of secular morality is retarded

That's some real retarded shit. We sent man to the moon and made shit like the Internet. I think we're a lot more than something ment to procreate.

does not matter how many there are.
it would be like saying punishing murderers does not matter because there are so few.
we punish and demonize to dissuade and prevent, to steer society on the right path.

Not everything is a moral argument.

Yup. Also gays who go around trying to catch them

Fags had civil marriage but they still wanted to cry about it. They wanted the tax breaks and all the benefits of it even though it doesnt benefit anyone if they get married where as a financially stable, healthy family does help.

I think they should have to be required to get the iud if they get welfare, in a perfect world with eugenics we give them 50k a year but they have to be snipped.

>Are there any secular arguments against gay marriage or homosexuality in general?
Yes.

Homosexuality is a self destructive and dangerous mental illness, promoted and normalized in White countries by the Jewish elite and the Jewish controlled media, to the detriment of the White race, White traditions and White culture.

Burn em all. Heathens to the natural order.

none that make any moral sense

It completely changes the definition of marriage, which has been SECULARLY defined for thousands of years as one man and one woman. It creates a completely new right that did not exist before and has never existed.

>heathens to the natural order
basing your version of nature on Jewish religious texts

you don't have the right to live

you didn't invent the internet.
and you havent been to the moon.
and you havent procreated.

please share more of your opinions.

>he thinks abrahmic religions are the only things in history that forbade homosexuality

no, everything we did was consequential only and soleley on procreation alone, nothing would have ever come to pass if somebody did not fuck and carry a pregnancy to success.

also we sent man to the moon because we, whites and asians, have a calling for the stars.
as a collective organism we superior races strive to extend our discoveries and our domain towards everything we see.

do you understand you fucking piece of shit?
the meaning of life is this: attain the stars, attain the means to stop the death of the universe, dare to think of doing the unthinkable, never surrrender to nihilism and apathy.

what else does?

If you want population control then stop giving niggers food and money

Is that supposed to be an argument? What does that even mean?

>none that make any moral sense
Because homosexual "sex" makes moral sense, right?

>basing your version of nature on Jewish religious texts
Which is strange considering the fact that it's the Jews that are promoting and normalizing homosexuality.

So you'd think if "Christianity were Jewish" as you claim, Christians would be in favor of homosexuality, not against it.

>you don't have the right to live
Homosexuals have a shorter life expectancy than heterosexuals.

>what else does?
Common sense.

If everyone were to continue to procreate at a rapid rate with no means to control it we as a species would die fighting over what few resources we have remaining.

You realize that homosexuality is only disapproved of in the Jewish scriptures? Before that homosexuality was common in Rome and Greece, some of the greatest civilizations to ever exist. It blows my mind when idiots complain about "muh Jewish conspiracy" then they turn around and preach a kike religion.

This article was written in 1999. Imagine how bad it's gotten now.
m.sfgate.com/health/article/Russian-Roulette-Sex-Parties-Rise-in-gay-2949794.php

>degeneracy in society can't affect society
>literally blocking roads so faggots can run around nude in public areas
youtu.be/-UuYJH6ud8s

user, I have homosexual desires too, but that doesn't mean you should ignore the fact that mainstream acceptance is not going to lead to good.

The government regulates many types a relationships, from commerce to love, why should homos have special exemption from this?

>At the rate we're going a little natural population control would be nice
Start by cutting off all aid to Africa.

of course it's an argument you retard
the argument being there is no such thing as innate rights - least of all marriage "rights"
Jew Christian Muslim all Semitic shit
>common sense
you are nonsensical

Maybe not, but he's not basing his faith on non-abrahamic religions.

Historically, homosexuality is associated with societal decline. We don't know the exact mechanism, but it's something we should probably avoid.

All of them are pedophiles and they are constantly raping innocent people. And they are a revolutionary group that wants to subvert and destroy normal heterosexual society.

>Before that homosexuality was common in Rome and Greece,

Literally the #1 Jewish Lie

>You realize that homosexuality is only disapproved of in the Jewish scriptures?
Christianity and Homosexuality
carm.org/christianity-and-homosexuality

Homosexuality: Questions and Answers
bible.org/article/homosexuality-questions-and-answers

Homosexuality
catholic.com/tracts/homosexuality

Homosexuality
catholicbible101.com/homosexuality.htm

Twelve Bible Verses About Homosexuality
openbible.info/topics/homosexuality

What Does the Bible Say About Homosexuality?
carm.org/bible-homosexuality

What Does the Bible Say About Homosexuality? Is Homosexuality a Sin?
gotquestions.org/homosexuality-Bible.html

> Before that homosexuality was common in Rome and Greece, some of the greatest civilizations to ever exist.
Homosexuality in Ancient Greece - The Myth is Collapsing
gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=9fc4e0df9fe5de8d36287d737d8ace7c

>It blows my mind when idiots complain about "muh Jewish conspiracy" then they turn around and preach a kike religion.
Christianity is Not Jewish
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>Jew Christian Muslim all Semitic shit
Aids has clearly ravaged your brain.

>you are nonsensical
Said the person promoting buggery.

You don't have a single argument as to why we should support, normalize or condone homosexuality.

There are multiple passages against homosexuality in the new testement, which is the most anti semetic book ever written, and jews are the ones pushing it in every culture. Try harder

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>spreads disease
>is self indulgent
>doesn't produce offspring
pure degeneracy.

You mean like is for procreation and homosexuals are not meant to procreate?

Not an argument.

Nope. Morality is nonexistent in an objective sense for fedoras. Morality is reduced to opinions on the same level as preference for music. One fedora believes faggotry is wrong while the faggotry believes it's right. What makes one's opinion right more than the other.

What purpose does it serve?

What benefit is derived from the government sanctioning a marriage?

What argument for gay marriage exists that isn't based off "love", which is the same argument for bestiality and pedophilia?

>society is unaffected
They are "society", a part of it, what they do affects everything and everyone around them and it affects them personally in terms of who they are and what they contribute to the rest of "society", they don't exist in a vacuum, ass

>love is shit man
ok so the only retards who hate gays do it because they are unlovable fuckups

Expanding on this, the nationwide legalization of gay marriage made "pagan morality" completely transparent. This "pagan morality" is a very, very subtle inversion of "Christian morality", wholly rejecting overt hedonism. This gives reasoning as to how dumbstruck culture at large is for the implosion of marriage.

"Christian morality" states that marriage is the moral context for pursuing romantic love and sex. "Pagan morality" gently flips this, making Romantic Love the moral context for pursuing sex and marriage.

Operating under the pagan framework, there's literally no defence for being against gay marriage; every single minute aspect of our daily lives and our perceived world, outside of gay marriage, is operating entirely as a precedent to it. Why WOULDN'T it be "immoral for people not to declare their love for each other"?

Homosexuals don't exist, therefore they don't need rights.

Do we give rights to extra-terrestrials?

Bible mentions no homosexuality amongst the mosaic law. Like no pork, no mixed fabrics, and don't cut your Jew curls. They also had to give sacrifices of lamb and shit all in repentance for original sin. Jesus Christ "the lamb of God" was supposed to be the final sacrifice to forgive us all of original sin. When he bowed his head and died and said "it is finished" that meant he had given the ultimate sacrifice for our forgiveness and was the fulfillment of mosaic law. Which is why Christians can eat pork and such.

>The natural law doesn't exist, I'm more enlightened than 10,000 years of human civilization and philosophy

Are you even listening to yourself?

Yep.

if you're going to argue that you may as well argue the
>natural law
includes homosexuality
retard

Well, if there's no god and it's truly 'survival of the fittest'

...and gays are 'born that way

...and gay is doesn't procreate the species

...and resources are always limited

The answer is clear...in a truly secular world.

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Why would the natural law include homosexuality?

Dumb fucking Brit cuck faggot. I'm guessing you are a fag, so hopefully you'll catch HIV or get shot by a Muslim in a gay bar.

Are you both dumb on purpose? The New Testament was written by kikes. They are jewish scriptures concerning a clearly jewish character. The only reason you give a shit is because you can't or won't let go of your jewish religion. You can't bash (((them))) then turn around and tell us some retarded bullshit about how your jew religion forbids homosex.

We don't see the rate of suicide and hedonistic culture for gays in eastern countries because they don't have the same gay taboo we do. So of course people are going to be fucked up. There is no secular argument against homosexuality, especially considering that they are a stable 2% of any given population.

And you cherry pick verses out of an old ass book. We're not so different.

because it exists in every society everywhere
typical American spic

Not an argument.

Because it exists in nature.

>not an argument
not an argument

>Bible mentions no homosexuality amongst the mosaic law.
biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus 20:13&version=KJV
That passage deals with the Law given to Moses by God Himself.

The rest of your post, I completely agree with.

>The New Testament was written by kikes.
The Jews of today are not the Jews of biblical times. The religion of the OT/NT is not the religion of today.

>They are jewish scriptures concerning a clearly jewish character.
Who are not the Jews or Judaism of today.

>You can't bash (((them))) then turn around and tell us some retarded bullshit about how your jew religion forbids homosex.
I already gave secular reasons as to why everyone should be opposed to homosexuality.

>We don't see the rate of suicide and hedonistic culture for gays in eastern countries because they don't have the same gay taboo we do.
Homosexuals are mentally ill. It doesn't matter how destructive they might not be in other cultures. In this culture, they are promoted and normalized by the kikes.

> There is no secular argument against homosexuality, especially considering that they are a stable 2% of any given population.
Homosexuality is a self destructive and dangerous mental illness, promoted and normalized in White countries by the Jewish elite and the Jewish controlled media, to the detriment of the White race, White traditions and White culture.

No it doesn't. Exclusive homosexuality doesn't exist anywhere in nature. Only a few examples of same sex animals fucking each other, but animals also fuck corpses to get off and means nothing. Humans are the only ones who with exclusive homosexuality

>Because it exists in nature.
So does cannibalism. Does that mean cannibalism should be promoted and normalized?

>the Law given to Moses by God Himself.
and you thought Muslims were stupid

Read about r/k selection in humans (hard to find since it is controversial) . The promotion of homosexuality between males correlates with mass r selection of a population which is ultimately detrimental to civilization

>and you thought Muslims were stupid
I don't care about the opinions of a mentally ill, aids ridden buggerer.

Also one other thing

1 Peter 4:8New International Version (NIV)

"8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins."

t. self-taught "scientist"

>le Christianity is Jewish

You're retarded. Christianity is the antithesis of Judaism and the most antisemitic thing to ever exist

then why respond?
retarded Jew-loving christkike
>Jesus isn't a Jew!
keep dreaming retard

the world is already overpopulated with useless people as is, you want more of them?

i say get the population down to 2 billion before you start banning abortion

This is absolutely false. No human as of this moment is capable of reproduction with the same sex, and there also doesn't exist a unisex human being, until then, homosexual humans are just hipsters who feel entitled to be different from anyone.

Sex is a biological construct, defined by biological purposes. Stop letting the flamboyant Jews convince you that homosexuality is real.

What in the actual fuck does kids having sex changes have to do with two guys fucking each other?

They're citizens aren't they? If we block roads so some fucktard in a robe can preach about a magical dead kike on a stick, I dont see why we shouldn't have a bunch of half naked fags getting wasted.

No nigger. If a guy wants to marry a guy and go home and fuck each other in the ass, it bothers nobody but you that's trying to either watch them do it, or join.

Kind of

1. The encouragement of homosexuality may lead to a society with a lower population growth. In history when raising population was a big necessity due to things like war, it was incredibly important to encourage hetero family relationships. On the other hand, if gays could adopt then there would be less children being raised without parents since as any society today we already have more parentless kids than possible homosexual couples.

2. Many people (on either sides of the spectrum) equate homosexuality with anything other than being attracted to the same sex. They constantly stereotype themselves with gay pride parades where they find being gay synonymous with being a fucking disgusting faggot. I have no issue with people being attracted to the same sex or both sexes but society believes this gives them the right to do things straight people can't, they get away with disgusting shit as mindless droves of idiots applaud them in the name of progressiveness.

>replying to christcucks

says stupid ppl

>1 Peter 4:8 King James Version (KJV)
>8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
That hardly means "have sex with everyone" or "condone and accept other people's sin".

>then why respond?
I like triggering you sodomites.

>retarded Jew-loving christkike
lmao. Said the sodomite.

>not an argument
not an argument.

>King James version
What a meme

>entitled
>sodomite
>quoting Jewish fairy tales
>oy vey Christianity isn't Jewish!