Not special after all

>not special after all
>yet was implanted with crucial memory
>single handedly saved Deckard
all those resistance people knew about Deckards daughter, why didnt they get her? Also how did K get the horse in his house if he just knows about that in a memory?

he got the horse from the furnace when he went to the orphanage

im also not sure if they knew who the daughter was

i don't get it, K is more or less the chosen one, he fucking saved and facilitated everyone and everything, while the resistance did fuck all

>all those resistance people knew about Deckards daughter, why didnt they get her?
They were waiting to reveal her until the right time. They explicitly state this in the movie.

>Also how did K get the horse in his house if he just knows about that in a memory?
Because he found it in the orphanage since he remembered where Stelline put it. This is explicitly shown in the movie.

Kill yourself you fucking retard.

but didnt he have a horse before going? how did joi know about it then or did he verbally tell her?

Get up to take an extra long piss break? K getting the horse from the furnace was a long and drawn out revelation scene that proved that the memory was definitely real.

The resistance leader said they were going to reveal her at the 'right time' and have her be a leader to a replicant revolt. It's said very clearly. What were you even doing when you went to see this?

This is bait

yea my bad, he still fucking saved deckard by himself and thats pretty funny that he got a crucial memory by chance

She said in the DNA log room that he'd told her about it before. She just rendered a wooden horse.

Why did K have the memory of the horse? And don't tell me "There's a lot of every artist in their job." Because Steline wouldn't have freaked out if she put it there.
The resistance didn't put it there, because they didn't give a fuck who K was. So it can only mean that K was the special matching DNA twin made to be a scape goat, but if that's the case, why the fuck is he the a bladerunner and working on this specific case? This film would be fucking perfect it it wasn't for this.

Why did Love leave K alive when they swiped Deckard

Why was Jared Leto in this movie at all

lmao
oh fuck i forgot about the twin, what was that whole thing about anywho?

>why didnt they get her?
They didn't need her (yet). She couldn't do anything for them anyway except be a figurehead. It's not like she can make them able to breed just by being near them.

K got that memory of the horse by random coincidence. He found the horse because he found the place where the real memory took place. Different replicants get different memories

i think it was revealed that deckard messed with the records and made the twin up

The clone was possible made later.

>What were you even doing when you went to see this?
mescaline

>Why did K have the memory of the horse?
That is not explained. The movie deliberately hints at much larger things going on to give the world some scale. The off-world colonies, the rest of the world outside of SoCal and Vegas, the Blackout, all the wars, the resistance. We know they exist, but we don't get to see any of them. However, that means we can also accept that they can affect the plot without us knowing directly how.

>It can only mean that K was the special matching DNA twin made to be a scape goat
No, Deckard explained this. They copied the records, scrambled everything, created a male version and said the female died. Anyone looking for the child would be looking for a boy.
K, however, can't be the male twin because that would make him the same age as Dr. Stelline. For him to have some of Stelline's memories he has to be at least as young as when she started writing memories, which would make for a set of twins with a serious age discrepancy.

This is meant to be a noir-ish film. Noir films often have average Joes stumbling into large plots that they cannot fully grasp or meaningfully affect.

ok so it just pure luck that K got the horse memory then right?

Yep. Adds to the Noir theme of average Joes doing what little good they can acheive

Speaking of, how did K know where to find Luv's vehicle when she was transporting Deckard?

Wow, what a deep theme.
>The movie deliberately hints at much larger things going on to give the world some scale.
Is this how we're going to explain every plot hole? Sounds like fun.

im fine with that i just needed to clarify

The horse memory was planted there when he was created, K/the goose says as much in the film and K gets to meet her when it came to the investigation he did.

he is future police so he probably had his ways.

>The horse memory was planted there when he was created,
But why. Why that memory.
Bubblegirl even says using real memories is illegal and that her whole motivation for making memories is living vicariously through imaginary happy moments and giving replicants a modicum of joy.

Why would she implant K with her own sad memories illegally?

>he is future police so he probably had his ways.
Great that the movie lets us speculate how. Maybe it's in one of the Harry Potter books.

Because the memory was probably planted into hundreds of repllcants and one of them would find Deckard. Later Deckard would find her, but the goose saved the day. Before that corporation could dissect the natural born replicant.

But doesn't that compromise her safety? Pretty dumb plan, lady.

Try the book the films where based on which is "Do Androids Dream of Electric sheep by Phillip K Dick" and you could try the bladerunner sequel novels.

And the reason why Ridley Scott is so confused about is Deckard a replicant it's because of the original novel, where the question is if the bladerunner is a replicant with fake memories. I hope this help.

>Because the memory was probably planted into hundreds of repllcants

By Whom
For What Purpose

The only person who holds it doesn't know she's a science baby and has no will or incentive to implant it, and the only people who want to find Deckard don't know who the science baby is

Stop posting the same shit in every Blade Runner thread. We get it, dude, you want Phillip K's dick and you hate the unicorn scene. Fuck off.

Yes, it does and if it was not for K going after the natural born replicant that lead to the corporation finding deckard via K.

Right. It's a far fetched stupid plan that endangers her safety.

nigga it's told to you in the movie

fake memories help the replicants have authentic responses, they're factory built
daughter makes the memories as a contractor

there's no plan dumbasses she doesn't know she's special she was just doing work

I never said anything about the unicorn scene, but my opinion is deckard is a replicant since the novels do question that stuff heavily.

Nigga that's exactly my point

She's a contractor making fake memories and her specialty is warm fuzzy memories because she wishes she had a normal childhood

Running scared and getting her ass whooped is a) a real memory, which is illegal to implant and b) NOT a warm, fuzzy memory through which she can live vicariously and/or give the robot a nugget of happiness in their dreary life

Its a 3hr movie, its impossible to remember every detail unless you are an uber autist

I was responding to:
But if she doesn't know she's "special," how is she going to lead the resistance? What significance is she to the resistance? The resistance is aware of her location, but they haven't made any contact with her? Yet her daddy just waltzes right on in?

>I can't remember key points of the film
There was no subtlety in those scenes. There was nothing obscure or secretive about them. It's autistic to blatantly ignore what's directly being presented to you.

>her specialty is warm fuzzy memories because she wishes she had a normal childhood
This is bullshit you made up. Nowhere is this mentioned. She's the best, that's all that's mentioned. Replicants probably need all kinds of memories to have a base for emotional response.

> NOT a warm, fuzzy memory through which she can live vicariously and/or give the robot a nugget of happiness in their dreary life
But they analyze the memory in the movie and it is a happy memory. Sign of endurance, courage.

>a real memory, which is illegal
It's harmless in her eyes. No one knows it's real, it doesn't mean anything, and it's special to her that's why she shared it.

the point is that what we believe defines us, regardless if its true or not.

sounds like an autistic movie to be honest

>But if she doesn't know she's "special," how is she going to lead the resistance?
Because they're still not ready. WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT

> The resistance is aware of her location, but they haven't made any contact with her?
No one is aware of her location except the leader replicant.

>Yet her daddy just waltzes right on in?
So? It's a public laboratory

>we have to wait for le right time
bullshit asspull plot convience

>This is bullshit you made up. Nowhere is this mentioned.
She explains this clearly and unambiguously to The Goose while she's making the birthday scene you fool. You complete buffoon.

>But they analyze the memory in the movie and it is a happy memory.
Goose and Bubblegirl both cry sad tears while reliving it. The only person who contorts it into a positive memory is Lady Cop, who is drunk and trying to get into K's robot pants.

>It's harmless in her eyes
Now THIS is made up bullshit.

Adding le to random words doesn't make it "bullshit plot convenience"

Waiting until you are ready to start something (rebellion ,whatever) is actually kind of logical

why keep her in a bubble, if shes gonna lead a rebellion fucking give her some time to prepare.

>reveal replicant jesus
>wallace gets a bunch of replicant thugs and captures
>experiments on her

>shes gonna lead a rebellion
She's not. She's a tool for political leverage.

>Because they're still not ready. WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT
Yeah, but what significance is she to a resistance?
>No one is aware of her location except the leader replicant.
Is that explicitly stated? Still, why haven't they made any contact with her?
>So? It's a public laboratory
Yeah. They could have just went in and talked to her themselves, and found Deckard that way.

Yeah. How?

REPLICANT CAN HAVE BABIES
WE ARE PEOPLE TOO

cells

>She explains this clearly and unambiguously to The Goose while she's making the birthday scene you fool. You complete buffoon.
No they don't. She said she's happy giving replicants good memories they can smile on.

How does this translate to her "specialty" is happy memories? What a bunch of bullshit. And it is a good memory as the movie explained to you, it was probably something she was proud of.

>Goose and Bubblegirl both cry sad tears while reliving it.
Not really , Goose never cries when reliving that memory. He likes that memory and Joi says he told her hundreds of times about it. The girl is probably surprised to see this.

>Now THIS is made up bullshit.
Not really. There was nothing really incriminating about that memory, even the date can be a number DOB that would fit a replicant that's supposed to be 30. Like the candles on a birthday cake

1. They don't really need her to prove that.
2. If they're capable of having children, they can just fuck and have some more kids.

Brainlet and attentionlet

What the fuck was the replicant in the first scene doing and why were there cigarette butts in the water?

So she got the horse from her mother whom died in childbirth, the reason why the goose is looking for her and going to terminate her, but he believes it's him because he(we) was mislead by the DNA-thingy and his fake implanted memory.
The resistance comes to the aid when the goose is all alone and needs to do the right thing, which was to kill Deckard or bring him to her.
The significance she is to the resistance is that she was born from a replicant and she is basically a prophet figure, or PR trick so the resistance could get more replicants to join their cause. So basically the resistance wants to have a gigantic war and the corporation knows about this, why they want to dissect her. So they can make a money when they send replicants that can breed into space or mining expeditions, then they don't need to send replicant after replicant, since they will die eventually.

ok I'm done this is pure autism and stupidity

> to kill Deckard or bring him to her.
Why the latter? Of what use is that to the resistance? It would make more sense to make Deckard disappear and not go anywhere near his daughter.
>The significance she is to the resistance is that she was born from a replicant and she is basically a prophet figure, or PR trick so the resistance could get more replicants to join their cause.
Pretty dumb if true. I don't remember anything like this said in the film though.
> So basically the resistance wants to have a gigantic war and the corporation knows about this, why they want to dissect her. So they can make a money when they send replicants that can breed into space or mining expeditions, then they don't need to send replicant after replicant, since they will die eventually.
I understand her significance to the corporation, but what she means to the resistance is fuzzy at best.

>No they don't. She said she's happy giving replicants good memories they can smile on.
... and that she likes making happy memories because she's been locked up in a bubble all day with nothing to entertain her but her imagination since she was 8 years old.

>And it is a good memory as the movie explained to you
The movie does no such thing.

>He likes that memory
Nowhere does he give a positive opinion of it. He expresses that he's weirded out about having childhood memories that are obviously faked since he has no childhood.

>The girl is probably surprised to see this.
Why would she be surprised to see it if she's the one implanting it?
Why is she sobbing and saying "this one really happened" after having /just/ explained that real memories are illegal and she only likes happy memories?

The writers of Blade Runner 2 Electric Boogoloo thought the same thing apparently.

>... and that she likes making happy memories
never uttered in the movie that she likes happy memories or that she specializes in happy memories. This is something your atustic brain picked up I suggest you go actually watch the movie instead of some Mexican camrip.

>The movie does no such thing.
It actually does but not on purpose since anyone can see that this is actually a good memory. Standing up to bullies, not giving in, endurance,etc .But the movie still explains it to you, even though it's pretty obvious why it was made and why is it in a police officer.

>Why would she be surprised to see it if she's the one implanting it?
Because she doesn't know it's in this officer, and she might be in trouble for it and he's losing his shit and didn't explain anything to her.

>It would make more sense to make Deckard disappear and not go anywhere near his daughter.
If this is the same guy then fuck off you're stupid

To be born is to have a soul that is the significance since the replicants are treated poorly and if she whom is born, that means that replicants can be seen to have a soul even tough they are going to have a massive chimp out and war.

The reason for her to see Deckard is so she can have warm and fuzzy feels. before the chimp out is ready.

>Why the latter? Of what use is that to the resistance? It would make more sense to make Deckard disappear and not go anywhere near his daughter.

That's what they did...but then Goose tracked him down and Wallace tracked Goose, and got Deckard.

So then Deckard needs to die before he can be tortured and reveal information about the resistance to Wallace. Thus the Resistance sends Goose to kill Deckard, but Goose, being an actual hero, saves Deckard instead and reunites him with his daugther.

We don't know who put the memory of the horse in K or if other replicants have it.

My theory would be that Stelline put it in many replicants hoping that someday one would track down the origin of the memory, of the horse, and of her parents, and reunite her with them since she can't leave her bubble.

>she might be in trouble for it and he's losing his shit and didn't explain anything to her.

He doesn't lose his shit until AFTER she breaks out crying
She's looking into the viewfinder the entire time she is crying, at no point does she look up and react to what Goose is doing and what Goose is doing is ALSO looking into the viewfinder and crying before she says it's real and THEN he loses his shit
He is actively getting up and leaving while he is losing his shit

>To be born is to have a soul that is the significance since the replicants are treated poorly and if she whom is born, that means that replicants can be seen to have a soul even tough they are going to have a massive chimp out and war.
This is really weak though. They don't really need her. They could find the hard evidence and that would be sufficient.
>The reason for her to see Deckard is so she can have warm and fuzzy feels. before the chimp out is ready.
But it compromises everything. Why not just get her, and then take her to her father, when the time is right?

Movie is stupid as shit.

>Movie is stupid as shit.

Nah you're just a moron who thinks he's clever. And you have autism ,since you can't fill any blanks on your own even though it's obvious.

>Why not just get her, and then take her to her father, when the time is right?
Because he's dying and wants to do this one thing in his life before he's gone.

>This is really weak though. They don't really need her. They could find the hard evidence and that would be sufficient.
You're a dumbass.

>This is really weak though. They don't really need her. They could find the hard evidence and that would be sufficient.

They are being sentimental. Obviously anyone with a brain knows that souls don't exist, but Replicants experience very extreme emotions as a result of their unique method of "conception" and you have to keep in mind most are pretty young (maybe less than 10 years old). So even if they are born with adult skills basic knowledge, they have a very childish in most cases understanding of the informal stuff about life.

Many of them have lots of knowledge but only a child's wisdom.

>Movie is stupid as shit.
You're stupid as shit.

>Thus the Resistance sends Goose to kill Deckard, but Goose, being an actual hero, saves Deckard instead and reunites him with his daugther.
And in doing so, compromises both of them. What a dumbass.
>We don't know who put the memory of the horse in K or if other replicants have it.
We don't know a lot of things which would be useful to understanding the plot of the film.
>My theory would be that Stelline put it in many replicants hoping that someday one would track down the origin of the memory, of the horse, and of her parents, and reunite her with them since she can't leave her bubble.
Which raises a lot of other questions, such as why wouldn't some of these replicants have made this connection and sought out the memory maker? Why wouldn't the leader of the resistance have made the connection that a memory maker might have planted real memories in replicants and investigate that? Seems like that would be a big concern, because it could potentially reveal the girl's identity.

>And in doing so, compromises both of them. What a dumbass.

He doesn't care about the strategic figure, just doing a good deed and giving someone what he never had, but wishes he had.

It's not as if the left them exposed. Nobody will know where Deckard is, or that Stelline is the child, or even if Deckard is alive, for at least a little while.

Anyway your other questions are reasonable, but I think the plot makes sense as it is, within the context that is is a personal story about K. It's not ABOUT Deckard or the Resistance or Wallace or the girl... it's about K and his journey as a PERSON.

>you can't fill any blanks
It's not my job to fill in blanks. This isn't ambiguity or letting the audience figure out stuff - this is just shoddy writing.
>Because he's dying and wants to do this one thing in his life before he's gone.
Right, and he compromises their safety. Why would Deckard even go along with this?
>You're a dumbass.
Well? Why do they need her?
So they don't really need her. They're just sentimental. Wow, and here I thought the movie's writing was stupid.
Sorry your precious movie isn't infallible.

...

Granted, I'd be much more forgiving had I liked the movie, but I thought it was pretty half-baked all around.
>just doing a good deed
A good deed which could get them killed and potentially destroy the resistance (for some unknown reason). What a great human bean!

>Which raises a lot of other questions, such as why wouldn't some of these replicants have made this connection and sought out the memory maker? Why wouldn't the leader of the resistance have made the connection that a memory maker might have planted real memories in replicants and investigate that? Seems like that would be a big concern, because it could potentially reveal the girl's identity.

My half assed explanation for this is that K only knew the memory was significant because he saw the date carved on the tree where Rachel was buried. K never started thinking deeper about that memory until he knew it was connected to a dead replicant who gave birth.

Also I thought the leader of the resistance knew the identity of the child? She was the one responsible for hiding the child "until the time is right" or some shit like that.

>It's not my job to fill in blanks. This isn't ambiguity or letting the audience figure out stuff - this is just shoddy writing.

It's really not it's quite good writing. You don't need endless exposition about how or why,the movie keeps satisfactory answers about the big picture in very simple way that don't disturb the themes and the character development. The little details are ambiguous/keeps you guessing.

You just have autism and are unable to realize this

>Right, and he compromises their safety. Why would Deckard even go along with this?
Because he also wants to see his daughter and almost died and wants to see her before he really dies. K says something like they will think you drowned. non autist People have something called souls user, but you're not getting on well without one.

>Well? Why do they need her?
Because people rally around symbols/holy people, it's happened throughout history a million times.

>Sorry your precious movie isn't infallible.

Sorry you're a souless autist

She/he = who
Her/him= whom

Stop trying to act smarter than you are you fucking cunt

Biggest question for me is how the fuck does someone go into the fucking police station not once, but twice, murders very important staff (and steals very, VERY important evidence) and leaves with no problems.

What the shit, man.

Well you're entitled to your opinion.

>My half assed explanation for this is that K only knew the memory was significant because he saw the date carved on the tree where Rachel was buried. K never started thinking deeper about that memory until he knew it was connected to a dead replicant who gave birth.

That isn't "half assed" that is LITERALLY the reason he makes the connection. Only by having the memory and the notion to look for the birth records on that day, and then find the oprhanage, and THEN find the horse hidden there. Otherwise without the memory the trail ends at the orphanage as there would be no horse to lead him to Deckard.

>>yet was implanted with crucial memory

They all had that memory, the whore replicant says "its from the dream" when she sees the carved horse.

Blatant plot-hole. There is a deleted scene in there. It's not like it isn't explainable, it is, but the movie doesn't do so. I do think they should have cut out the junkyard attack scene and instead included the scene where Luv butchers people at the police precinct.

This is wrong you retarded faggot. If you're going to be a pedant, make sure you're right.

Do you actually need a scene where that is explained? her sneaking around the station , deleting security footage, paying off informants , paying off guards?

First time she has some kind of forged (or non-forged) pass.
Second time she turns on a light switch which says it's very late and the staff is minimal.

I don't think they have any cameras, for one. After the blackout, just about everything in the world is analog.

There's also the fact that Madame implies that she knew Luv took the bones in the first place. With the size and power of a corporation like Wallace's, though, she's probably powerless to take any kind of serious action. Wallace is a guy whose work has led to the revitalization of the human race. He may as well be a walking god. He would certainly have more power than the police. Not to mention that Madame probably wouldn't have had any solid, concrete proof of Luv murdering Coco if there aren't any cameras to catch the act.

I don't think you understand what a plot hole means. A plot hole is an error or a contradiction. This is just some irrelevant filler that got cut out of the film

Why exactly would a super operator like her and the right hand man of Wallace have trouble getting past police station security?

Thanks, guys.

Also, I didn't realize everything was now analog. Was that really mentioned?

>Also I thought the leader of the resistance knew the identity of the child
Exactly my point. And she would know she's a memory maker, so it seems like it would be something to keep an eye on.
>You don't need endless exposition
You don't, but this film sure had lots of it anyway. Find the boy!
>that don't disturb the themes and the character development.
I'm pretty forgiving of plot holes, but I thought this movie was sloppily written throughout.
> The little details are ambiguous/keeps you guessing.
This isn't ambiguity. Ambiguity doesn't throw reason out the window.
>You just have autism and are unable to realize this
Oh thank you, say autism again.
>Because he also wants to see his daughter and almost died and wants to see her before he really dies.
And so he compromises the safety of his daughter. He did so much to protect his daughter all those years, but now he wants a hug. Are the writers telling us that these guys are assholes?
> K says something like they will think you drowned. non autist
Well, wait until they find him walking into a public building where replicant memories are made.
>>Well? Why do they need her?
>Because people rally around symbols/holy people, it's happened throughout history a million times.
This isn't much of an explanation. How do they even know the girl wants to help the resistance?
>Sorry you're a souless autist
And thanks for the second time.

I don't think everything is analogue, drones police car scanners, etc.

I think a bit of dialog about Wallace being able to buy police security or some such thing would have been worth it. It's not hugely important, but I think some explanation should have been provided.

For example, the bones could have been kept at the county morgue or maybe they had already been moved to waste processing to be disposed of (LAPD wants them gone anyway), so that way Luv doesn't have to go into the police station to get them.

Fine, call it a plot gap

>by chance
they all have it

It's implied in the scene where K goes to Wallace Corp and talks to the skeletal looking dude at the front desk. He mentions that the only thing that survived the blackout was what was recorded on paper. And with an absolutely devastating event like that, God knows what it did to Earth's infrastructure, or how much technology was lost. I would imagine that everyone would be quite paranoid about anything strictly digital.

They don't all have it

The hooker says, "It's from a tree", not "It's from a dream"

They all want to believe they are individuals and not mass produced people so they all fancy discovering they are "different" and were born rather than made.

Pro-tip: Watch the "Resistance" scene where K learns the truth closely and you can see at least TWO of the Hooker that K slept with. So consider that replicants may literally run into basic copies of themselves from time to time and imagine how that fucks with their psyche.

>all of them will be lost, like smees in the plane...

>I'm pretty forgiving of plot holes,
There are exactly zero plot holes. You don't understand what a plot hole is.Arbitrary irrelevant acts not explained step by step is not a plothole.

> He did so much to protect his daughter all those years, but now he wants a hug
People are not souless autists that always do the most logical at any given moment with foresight into the future. K saved his life ,he was taking him to see his daughter. He didn't resist . No one would ever have a problem understanding this except souless autists.

>Well, wait until they find him walking into a public building where replicant memories are made.
Does he have a wanted poster of his everywhere in the world? Nobody knows what happened, K has a radar can probably see if they were being followed.
>This isn't much of an explanation.
It is a perfectly valid explanation.

>How do they even know the girl wants to help the resistance?
Why wouldn't she? She's a replicant child.They're banking that she would

this thread is fucking horrible desu.

>There are exactly zero plot holes.
And they say I have autism.
> .Arbitrary irrelevant acts not explained step by step is not a plothole.
Right. That's not what we're talking about here.
>He didn't resist . No one would ever have a problem understanding this except souless autists.
I understand the desire to do this, but it's really stupid and some sort of lip service or explanation should have been made or given. And it doesn't make sense given that Deckard spent most of his life making sure he never knew where his child went, because he cared about her safety over his wants and desires.
>Does he have a wanted poster of his everywhere in the world?
No, but there's a corpse outside on the steps waiting to be discovered. Honestly, they never really explain it. He's hiding in a nuclear fallout zone one minute, the next he's around town with a walking corpse.
>Nobody knows what happened, K has a radar can probably see if they were being followed.
Guess you have to read the novel.
>>How do they even know the girl wants to help the resistance?
>Why wouldn't she? She's a replicant child.They're banking that she would
Seems like a big risk. Maybe she's fine in her bubble and doesn't want to leave that to join some crazy suicide mission. Maybe she's a self-hating replicant who wants nothing to do with her kind. Maybe she's too afraid to be involved. It's all pretty risky, and it's absurd she is somehow the key to the resistance because... um, something.

>it's been 5 years since tdkr came out
CELLS