Are clone troopers sentient? I would assume they must be somehow programmed...

Are clone troopers sentient? I would assume they must be somehow programmed, seeing as they all blindly obeyed Order 66 immediately with no hesitation. Why am I supposed to think that the Republic are the good guys when they genetically engineer millions of identical psuedo-people bred solely to fight and die when the CIS has the humanity to just use robots?

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>Why am I supposed to think that the Republic are the good guys when they genetically engineer millions of identical psuedo-people bred solely to fight and die when the CIS has the humanity to just use robots?

Because they weren't the good guys from a certain point of view.

They're pretty much normal people, but with shit implanted into their brain to make them loyal.

They can talk and react and take orders from superiors so yes id say they are sentient.

If they're programmed to worship the Republic and what it stands for why did they switch to The Empire so quickly? Was it the brain chips alone?

what the fuck? The ruling class having an army of soldiers engineered to remain loyal sounds like the premise of a dystopian novel.
I would assume that Palpatine was somehow in charge of the clone troopers, and they just followed him.

It's pretty fucked up and some people in the jedi order/republic objected to using them, but they were a necessary evil I guess.

>necessary evil
I guess not considering the CIS used robots.

What did the CIS even want? What did they do that was evil? What even is the CIS? I haven't seen the prequels in a long time so my memory is hazy but I don't remember answers to any of this.

So clone troopers are replicants?

The cartoon builds on it more past evil robot sith army.
The CIS wanted independence from the republic because they believed the republic was corrupt(which obviously it was).
It was used by sheev and dooku to do whatever it is they were planning but the CIS senators believed in it.

It was a secessionist movement from the claimed underrepresented frontier of the Republic that the Sith took rein of. They're also just jealous of how good humans are.

No, replicants have free will and independent thought.

so what you are telling me is that the CIS are essentially the rebels and the republic is the empire but worse. The CIS did nothing wrong.

less tax, nobody there wanted to pay healthcare for these wookies

>have free will and independent thought.
The Clones don't have independent thought? Isn't that why the Republic chose them over battle droids for an army? Their are limitations to their free will though.

if you don't have free will, then you don't really have independent thought. If somebody can say "Execute order 66" and you instantly become a murderous traitor you do not have independent thought.

they were vaguely asian so there's that

the real lessen here is all force users are equally evil and horrible for the galaxy

What makes a Clone Trooper better than a Droid anyway?

I love the designs to the droids, it's a shame the jedi destroyed them so easily.

Literally any soldier or Marine would do the same. They didn't work for the Jedi they worked for the Emperor. They got an order and followed it.

The Star Wars universe has certain prejudices
Clones are second class and droids effectively have no rights
So no one really cared about the clone troopers
As for Order 66 it was a specially implanted biochip
In the cartoon one of the established clone trooper characters goes mental his chip triggers early and he kills a Jedi
The rest of the squad end up dead or sent for vivisection except one who somehow removes the chip himself and goes on the run
Note this was under Palpatine so the republic at that time was Empire Mark 0.5

clones were under Jedi command, they called them generals. would soldier or marine execute an order to kill his commandig officer because president just called and told him to?

Almost certainly yes.

>He wasn't "President"
There was no one above his power and position
of power in the galaxy but his master *who he killed*

Yea so all these questions are answered in the prequels.

I mean their third in command was an evil Jedi killing cyborg so they did something wrong.

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how was he evil? sure he had an unfortunate sounding name but jedi really were scum

The whole point is that they're slaves to the Republic, who despite what the story tells us are painted as being villainous though the structure of the story.

From the Clone Wars battle scenes using the Clones on the "evil" side of the conventional framing of movie battles, to the rebellious clones who pop up every now and again, to countless other small things like that, we're supposed to come to resent the Republic.

There is a reason why when it fell it was not to dismay but thunderous applaud.

THOSE

>Are clone troopers sentient?

Yes.

> I would assume they must be somehow programmed, seeing as they all blindly obeyed Order 66 immediately with no hesitation.
No, and yes.The biggest reason why they were superior to battle droids was that programming wasn't required. They could adapt on the go whereas simple battle droids needed programming for specific conditions. The closest too programming they had was the implants in their heads, which is what made them follow Order 66 without question.

>Why am I supposed to think that the Republic are the good guys when they genetically engineer millions of identical psuedo-people bred solely to fight and die when the CIS has the humanity to just use robots?

Because it made them more identifiable. Clones are people, they use ethics moral conduct. Droids have none of this and only give regard for life when specifically programmed/instructed to.

People are warm, can be thanked and give be grateful for it. Robots are cold and don't care if you're the enemy or not.


>What did the CIS even want?
Independence from a government they felt was ineffective, and free enterprise.
>What did they do that was evil?
Apart from what their armies did via orders from Dooku, Grievous and or the heads of Trade Federation, Techno Union, Banking Clan and Commerce Guilds? Nothing.
>What even is the CIS?
The Confederacy of Independent Systems.

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The clones had chips implanted into their brains at birth to ensure that when Order 66 was given, they wouldn't be able to resist. They had no choice

>Why am I supposed to think that the Republic are the good guys
You aren't really, I mean it's clear that they aren't an absolute good. Everything is about "ends justify the means" in Star Wars.
Luke killed the Death Star but at the same time killed a fuck ton of people that were just doing their job.
As for sentient, I always thought of them as being like mentally challenged people. They make them smart on some areas but dumb on others to make sure they can be controlled.

Does anyone else hate the whole chips idea? I really really liked them when I thought they were just huge jerks that pretended to be friends with the Jedi but were always WILLING to turn against them because they were loyal to Sheev and because they were engineered so that you can't reason with them.
But now with the chip is like they are just normal people that age faster and the chip justifies anything. Less emotional investment, less shocking when they betray the Jedi. That's pretty stupid to me, they ruined these characters.

I didn't even know the chips were a thing, they weren't in the movies. So they're not in my head cannon

>Does anyone else hate the whole chips idea?

Plenty of people do. But you won't find many of them in this thread.

>That's pretty stupid to me, they ruined these characters.
The chip justifies them still BEING characters and still following through with Order 66. Because it's literally the only possible way to have them turn on the Jedi despite everything they'd been through alongside the Jedi. The Jedi are why the became characters and not an army of samefags.

The Battlefront 2 campaign did a good job of showing the clones deceit and how they felt bad.

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NOT
CANON

I never said it was canon.
It's still better than what Disney did with the chips.

It was stupid. The whole point was that the clones were NOT real individuals, but genetically engineered, indoctrinated soldiers.

Of course, TCW went to great lengths to humanize them, so it is logical that they wanted a retcon here.

I remember this. Having the story narrated by a clone trooper was a good idea.

they were better without the chip. the whole shock of them turning is because its just an order and the clones obey it without question, not because a chip n their brains forced them to. it also made more sense sinc some of the ARC troopers didnt go through with it, them being grown to be more flexible and free thinking

kreia pls go

the books humanized the clones as well while never using the brain chips. in the rots novel commander cody curses to himself after giving obi wan his lightsaber back once palpatine gives the order. "Would it have been too much to ask for the order to have come through before I gave him back the bloody lightsaber?"

Clones are well trained (almost) free thinking humans that can adapt to situations

A standard droid like in that pic is a drone that uses swarm tactics

TCW really got this right, they humanized the clones.

Also not every clone followed order 66 i don't know the specifics but many arc troopers and commandos did not carry the order out its still canon under Disney too

>they were better without the chip.

In your opinion.

>the whole shock of them turning is because its just an order and the clones obey it without question, not because a chip n their brains forced them to.

If they're all just thoughtless, biological droids, there is no shock value because there's no emotional investment in them. By making the clones actually characters instead of background fodder, there is.

>it also made more sense sinc some of the ARC troopers didnt go through with it, them being grown to be more flexible and free thinking

Which book or comic was this? I haven't read them all as of yet.

They had free will until the chancellor says "execute order 66". It's like a MKUltra brainwash, you only lose your will after a trigger word.

Idk, I mean I didn't get the idea that they were thoughtless biological droids for some reason, just from watching the movies. I mean yeah they weren't very smart but they were more like mentally retarded people than droids. And they seemed like buddies with the Jedi, and like they were too dumb to even think evil.

George's writing was so bad it took 5 years for a cartoon to finally come out with the sole purpose of explaining all his bullshit. LOL

>Also not every clone followed order 66 i don't know the specifics but many arc troopers and commandos did not carry the order out its still canon under Disney too

I doubt that. The only Clone we know who didn't (that was alive when it happened) was Rex, and that was because he removed his implant.

Literally all who had it didn't have a choice in the matter.

Though it is known that many became ashamed of it later on.

George's writing was good, I got exactly what he meant. I think the cartoons just dumbed it down for the average normie fan.