Kudos to the actor who portrays him in Fincher's mini-series. He's real good but the real Ed Kemper is even worse compared to Fincher's version.)
How so ? Just look at this interview...He sounds more "normal" than the guy who's playing him. Smarter, more of a cold, calculating persona. As a matter of fact, he seems to be a likeable enough person. Someone you could be friends with.
It's even more perplexing than Fincher's Series...He seems intelligent. And i guess i can more or less understand some of the reasons why he hated his mother and what could've triggered his compulsions to do the things he did...And frankly, the question is not "why" he did it...
I'm personally left with a different feeling. As i'm listening to this guy, i'm thinking to myself..."Was it really worth it?"... Here is a guy who could've been a father with a happy family..He definitely had that potential, he doesn't sound mentally ill... It's so odd though. It's as if he just had to do it. His deep hatred for his mother was just too much, then he projected it on other women...And he just snapped.
This is why it's also very important to have a strong father figure. a strong and loving family...Especially in the early development of your kid's brain & throughout his puberty.
Listen man, i can't speak english properly, it's not my native tongue..And i rarely ever get to speak it in public. I pick words i sometimes see online here and there...Maybe i should've said "congrats" ? Whatever...
Nathaniel Diaz
He was unhappy and projected his unhappiness on others via murder after he snapped if his conviction is true. You're correct that a loving family is essential to ideal development from adolescence to adulthood. HOWEVER, that doesn't guarantee that an individual won't still transform into a degenerate. There are plenty of people who grew up with everything they needed to succeed and yet they become losers/assholes/criminals despite all the benefits they've received.
Owen Morales
I don't think Kemper is a real serial killer. I mean he did commit these murders but it was result of being tormented by his mother, and psychological torture he endured. The real murderer of these women is his mom. He is just damaged, there is no seed maliciousness in him
Nolan Carter
so ANYONE with a mother like that would turn into a murderer?
Ethan Thompson
Thats what he wants you to think
Kayden Green
No, user is talking bullshit.
Adrian Nguyen
It's amazing how they got Sam Hyde to play his dad in the show.
Cooper Morgan
>I mean he did commit these murders but it was result of being tormented by his mother He killed his grandparents long before he moved into the hell situation of living with his mother for all those years.
Landon Phillips
That’s the facade that allowed him to lure in the women he killed. I don’t think Kemper feels remorse for his crimes but his intelligence allows him to be unusually self-aware about what he did.
Henry Watson
>Falling on Kempers manipulation.
Stop beeing retardly naive.
Nolan Hernandez
>so ANYONE with a mother like that would turn into a murderer? Is THAT what i said ? I don't think it was even implied... Some people can't handle stress like the rest of us do. One side of me "kinda" understand what would make a guy like that "snap"...But i've never insinuated that "anyone" would've reacted the same way.
Daniel Rogers
I really wanted to like the show, especially since I love true crime and crime in general. But the main character is so bad, along with his gf. Also the dialogue is kinda horrible.
Brandon Watson
>No, user is talking bullshit. How so ?
Jace Rodriguez
>But the main character is so bad, along with his gf. Same here...They're just not interesting characters...The only thing worth watching are the interviews... It's definitely subpar compared to Zodiac.
Dominic Cox
Not even comparable to Zodiac in my opinion. But then again it's Netflix. But the acting is soo weird. Like that first time the guy meet the girl in the bar. What feelings is the actor trying to convey? It's so weird. And you get all these quasi-intellectual discussions about psyche that doesn't make sense because they're so badly done.
Luis Jackson
So Tench is way more likeable than Holden or is that just me?
Bentley Harris
>HOWEVER, that doesn't guarantee that an individual won't still transform into a degenerate. There are plenty of people who grew up with everything they needed to succeed and yet they become losers/assholes/criminals despite all the benefits they've received. But it certainly helps though... And this guy's mother was far from being a role model.
Chase Edwards
this isnt even the interview they based the dialogue off of. theres another one where he says some stuff from the show verbatim
Liam Jackson
Okay, so for years I was under the impression that after violating his mother's corpse, Kemper diced it into little bits and baked it into some Stouffer's mac n' cheese. My family has a similar dish (made with ham) we affectionately call 'Kemper Casserole'. Recently I've done some searching online and can find no references to Kemper having eaten his mother. Have we been fed a lie for the past 25 years?
Dominic King
>But the acting is soo weird. Like that first time the guy meet the girl in the bar. What feelings is the actor trying to convey? It's so weird THIS!!... The acting sounded "off"...Like they were robotically reciting their lines...It was bad. Then it got better in the later episodes...The only actors who nailed their parts were the serial killers... And Holt McCallany (bill) wasn't as bad as Jonathan Groff.
Hannah Gross's acting was average imo. But worst of all, her character was annoying. Not likeable at all. As annoying as Mtv's Daria.
Anna Torv (Wendy) was good, but what they decided to do with her character was stupid...(the whole lesbian side of her story)...She kinda had a "Scully" vibe going for her character but they fucking ruined it.
Parker Green
Kek. Please be real.
Robert Ortiz
This is gonna sound fucked up,but his voice has an ASMR quality.
Mason Jones
Jonathan Groff is very gay irl. That’s probably what seems off about his delivery.
Brody Adams
Even he knows he's a shitty person user
Hunter Sanders
He was beaten and ridiculed by his mother his entire life, THEN he moved in with his granparents
Caleb Carter
Well the actor that plays holden is gay, so it just seeps into his acting somehow. basically he's just a shit actor.
Nathan Wright
I think it was just a lack of chemistry and an awkward script. It felt like it was trying to be an Aaron Sorkin style fast paced back and forth dialogue, but it just did not fit.
Jack Rodriguez
I wish Ed Kemper would order me an edd salad sandwich
Jacob Johnson
>we affectionately call 'Kemper Casserole'
Jayden Wood
She FUCKING LEAVES IT THERE!??
Clean that shit up!
Tyler Smith
maybe I should kill you and blame my mother instead, fucking retard
Justin Cooper
so /tv tards recent favorite characters are Kemper, and the Blade runner. you all want a holographic girl while you murder real ones? sounds about right for you rejects.
Xavier Walker
ummm that's gross and she's a professional woman???? let some janitor clean it up
Carson Thompson
got em good bro
Jayden Rodriguez
psychopaths spend their lives perfecting the art of being normal. the cop who spent the most time interviewing dahmer cried when he learned that he had been murdered in prison.
Brayden Ross
>everyone on Sup Forums share one opinion kys my man
Joshua Clark
Just messing with you. English is not my mother language either and the only place I've seen someone say kudos is reddit.
Robert Rodriguez
>the cop who spent the most time interviewing dahmer cried when he learned that he had been murdered in prison.
Dahmer's childhood was also fucking horrible...
Thomas Collins
What did she mean by this?
Samuel Rogers
Supposedly, the real Kemper has narrated dozens of public domain audiobooks while in prison. Assuming this isn't bullshit it might be interesting to trackdown and listen to these recordings.
Luis Nelson
No it wasn’t actually. Dahmer was probably conflicted about being gay but his parents weren’t abusive or anything.
Carson Parker
>tfw watching it with my dad >tfw can't help but think about my mother issues >tfw we both become increasingly uncomfortable as the Kemper unveiling happens pic related is how I feel right now
Nathan Nelson
>the real Kemper has narrated dozens of public domain audiobooks while in prison. It's true...There's a video on youtube where you seem him doing just that. The guy has an average IQ of 137. It's amazing that such a smart person couldn't control his impulses & ruin his life in such a way.
Anthony Jenkins
>No it wasn’t actually It was. Not horrible in the sense that he was raped or tortured as a child...But the environment he grew up in was terrible for a young boy.
Xavier Sullivan
...
Joseph James
>decapitates his own whore of a mother then he fucks her corpse while yelling at the head.
Is this /r9k/'s final form?
Eli Howard
...
Ian Morris
IIRC, his parents weren’t amazing but I would hardly blame his childhood on his later crimes. As with most serial killers, Dahmer displayed a disturbing fascination with dissecting dead animals early on.
Colton Edwards
big boi
Ian Morris
After watching the show I had the sudden realization that both of my parents have definitely pondered the possibility that I may or may become a serial killer.
Josiah Hernandez
he's been taking a fat minute in the loo now and probably thinking about it as I type this
youtu.be/vPMBfX7D4WU?t=1583 In this interview he adamantly refuses to blame what he did on his parents, and even says it makes him angry when people try to shift blame onto his parents.
Henry Ortiz
how many of you don't get loved by their mommy?
Thomas Powell
fucking creepy sociopath
Adrian Myers
>IIRC, his parents weren’t amazing Far from it....He was super isolated...Which is terrible for a child.
Isaac Ward
Sup Forums still doesn't realise this was the jewy actor that they hated for looking so jewish on Master Of None
Chase Anderson
That's irrelevant... It's the environment he grew up in that wasn't normal. His parents weren't "bad" on purpose...But they still were shit parents.
Tyler Howard
>Fed a lie. Good for you wordsmith
Justin Gonzalez
Yes but to say that alone produced a serial killer is absurd.
Ryder Harris
>he adamantly refuses to blame what he did on his parents The kid had zero socialization though.
Isaac Jenkins
That’s not true. He went to a normal public school. You’re acting like his parents home schooled him and never let him leave the house.
John Nelson
Agreed. I like the show a lot but the main character is just annoying. Also he's not a very good actor, neither is his GF in the show.
Anna Torv, the murderers, and Holt McCallany elevate the show into something really great even though the main character is so bland and annoying.
Jose Johnson
>her character was annoying. she is supposed to be annoying.
Luis Allen
>Yes but to say that alone produced a serial killer is absurd. I didn't say that. And thank god that's not the case or else half of Sup Forums posters would be serial killers. But the point remains...It's the accumulation of small things. Normal people can cope with most of it. But some can't handle stress like others.
Especially If a kid is genetically predisposed to be mentally fragile,
Parker Campbell
>That’s not true. He went to a normal public school. You’re acting like his parents home schooled him and never let him leave the house.
"The house they lived in was surrounded by open forest and Jeffrey's isolation grew as he could lose himself in his make believe world. During the move Joyce was pregnant and the marital problems recurred. In December of that year, Jeffrey's little brother David was born just as the former was entering first grade (Miller, Vandome, & McBrewster, 2009). The following year, the family moved again to Barberton, Ohio. The marital tensions increased when David suffered from colic. According to press history, at the age of eight, Jeffrey called a probation officer with claims of sexual molestation from a neighbor. This was ignored, adding to his list of rejection. Jeffrey's school years were marked with his collection of dead animals and conducting experiments on them due his lack of socialization. Jeffrey was exposed to the world of chemistry at a very tender age and he explored it with his animals.
He moved on to Revere high school where his loneliness continued for no matter how hard he tried he always was an outsider. Though he worked on the school newspaper, his shyness denied him the opportunity of making many friends. As in social control theory, he continually engaged in antisocial behavior. His grades were average and it is during this period that he developed a drinking problem."
Jack Hernandez
I liked him when he started turning into a cocky asshole right at the end, but that was pretty late in the game to start caring about your main character. His last Kemper scene was pure kino
Benjamin Hill
He's a big guy
Matthew Anderson
That still doesn’t disprove what I said. Dahmer didn’t really try to socialize. He was largely a self-imposed loner. There’s also the fact that other students were obviously weirded out by his behavior. I’m not disagreeing that he had a troubled childhood but plenty of kids have dealt with worse.
Blake Bennett
This is literally my childhood life. I didn't dissect animals though, I would just set stuff on fire.
Ayden White
This show give /r9k vibes, bullied kids, shy, some of t hem raised by lone parents and new partner, lack of contact with opposite sex
hmmm
Nolan Kelly
>That still doesn’t disprove what I said. Dahmer didn’t really try to socialize. He was largely a self-imposed loner.
It didn't. But his parents didn't help....He wasn't socialized, and it's a crucial thing for a kid..Child or teen. Again, all of it seems innocuous. And it kind of is for 90% of us. But like i said above...Not everyone deals with stress and isolation like the majority.
I was that kid... Thankfully i had the chance to meet people who would later on change my life forever...And i learned to be more extroverted...Socialize etc..
I’d be willing to bet most people on /r9k/ weren’t actually bullied. They were probably just really shy throughout middle school and high school.
Hudson Cook
Yeah, I get what you’re saying. It is pretty clear that Dahmer was always going to be “off” but it’s possible that he might not have ended up committing murder.
Jackson Collins
I especially feel bad for his father who really seemed to try hard to get his son to live a normal life when he was in his 20s.
Wyatt Torres
>Here is a guy who could've been a father with a happy family..He definitely had that potential, he doesn't sound mentally ill...
you don't understand serial killers. they literally have an incredible urge to kill due to their trauma/upbringing/genetics. they can't control it and it's basically untreatable with today's psychology/medicine. kemper presents as smart, likable guy because he is....
he would also start killing again if he was ever let out. he knows this himself.
Hudson Murphy
Kemper is pretty fascinating. He’s been useful because his high intelligence gives him a self awareness and objectivity that’s really unusual in serial killers. Of course you have to sift his words because he’s great at manipulation.
David Bennett
>It is pretty clear that Dahmer was always going to be “off” but it’s possible that he might not have ended up committing murder.
That's the thing..In his case, who the fuck knows...Maybe this guy was genetically predisposed to be fragile. Emotionally perturbed. Maybe something could've been done, maybe not...But no matter how "normal" his childhood seemed to be for most of us, i can't help but think that something could've been done under different conditions..
And i've seen kids like that in my teens. (often bullied by other kids, isolated..Nobody wanted to be friends with them because they were just too fucking awkward.). In most cases, these kids grow up become normal and even take their revenge (by becoming super rich with a lot of "fuck you" money)... But in some cases, some rare cases...It just persists...That kid grows up to be a loner...Sometimes that loner will be harmless , like that Robin Williams character in One hour Photo youtube.com/watch?v=2gYXuURrLVA
But sometimes, it goes terribly wrong. Having said all that i'm personally ok with home schooling. But parents have to make sure their kids are socialized. Get them out of the house, have many friends..encourage them to do many activities etc..
Joshua Morgan
Tough to say. Although reading up on Dahmer, it seems like he had some seriously disturbing fantasies pretty early on. His father especially was supportive of him but Dahmer just seems to have been a really apathetic guy who very heavily abused alcohol.
Caleb Cook
>Tough to say Like i said, i'm not sure if something could've been done for this kid in particular...But what i do see is that he had very little socialization from a very early age. (he apparently was also gay & awkward but then again, so was Andy Warhol). Dahmer's dad didn't seem horrible or anything...Just too passive and beta.
Kayden Torres
>But parents have to make sure their kids are socialized. Get them out of the house, have many friends..encourage them to do many activities etc.. my parents did pretty much opposite. destroyed my close friendships by calling, complaining their parents, teachers, because they are bad influence, made a big deal, start huge discussions when i came home "late" etc. and i ended up a loner in high school. but i didnt become fucking serial killer.
John Cox
Is Patrick Bateman realistic as a character?
Luis Wood
Need to unleash this asshole on women today, they're so smug and shitty and need a lesson about what true fear is so they stop pretending they're scared because a guy on the bus spread his legs too wide.
Oliver Diaz
And then there's the total opposite side of the spectrum. (always wanted to be in front of the cameras, ultimate attention whore,extremely narcissistic
Bentley Cook
Only after his arrest though. Bundy had no intentions to ever stop killing.
Owen James
Congratulations, you've found common ground with a man who strangled coeds. Think about what that reveals about yourself.
Isaac Sullivan
>and i ended up a loner in high school. but i didnt become fucking serial killer. And most of us won't...(thank god) And hey, socialization is great but maybe your parents made the right call...having friends is great but can be cancer if they have a negative, degenerate influence on you.
The key is finding the right balance and to know what type of person you should hang out with. (and ones you should avoid)
Joshua Morales
psychos like him are extremely good at manipulating people, you get the same feeling from watching the interviews of ted bundy or jeffery dahmer
Julian Morales
i agree im one ep in and hoping they drop the romance plotline, terrible chemistry
Leo Martinez
>become serial killer that suffocates victims and fills them with ed salad sandwiches and then sex their orifices that are filled with Ed salad Memes aside I might just try to fuck an egg salad sandwich later today.
Matthew Reed
what he looks like now..
Xavier Nguyen
It wasn't about any of that shit. It wasn't a compulsion as normals like yourself understand it. It was just something that grew on him. I understand it in some way. I feel like if I hadn't tried my hardest to keep away from shrinks I would have leaned more towards his personality and maybe even deeds. Won't elaborate but I am 100% positive that psychologists talking about the issues with their patients actually brings them to a head faster. Self discipline and keeping away from intimate relationships is KEY for people like this.
Adrian Rivera
wow so funny and random xdxdxdxdxdxdxdxdxdxd
Adrian Wood
The actor that plays holden is so fucking gay that it literally ruins his acting. When he tries to man banter it comes out so forced and odd, when he's supposed to be turned on by his slag slut girlfriend you can literally see he's almost repulsed by touching her, like he doesn't even know what to do with his hands. I know they wanted him to come off as bookish and awkward, but instead they just ended up with a fruit that can't act.
I have nothing against homos, shitty acting is shitty acting.
Jayden Lee
Yeah I agree. He’s so bad at playing a straight man. Not a great casting choice.
Charles Lopez
Haha yeah... I was just messing it up guys xDdd
But seriously though, I'm going to fuck some egg salad.
Kevin Wright
It goes nowhere. They speak as robotic as the first interaction all the way to the end.
