> Screenwriter Hampton Fancher explained that, “[K] is a handbook. He follows the rules. He’s a machine in a way. But the image was this: A handbook turns into a poem through his experiences and his ordeal and love. And the same thing with the digital woman.”
Only plebs weren't able to see how it was a Romio and juliette-esque ending. With K being willing to die because he lost the love of his life.
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This says nothing about Joi though.
what other digital women are there?
He talks about K and his love.
Where the fuck do you see anything mentioned about Jois state of mind?
what the fuck are you on about?
So K is just a mindless replicant and you should not feel anything for him.
Thanks for clearing things up user.
you guys are pretty good at mental gymnastics. i'll give you that if nothing else.
>A handbook turns into a poem through his experiences and his ordeal and love
The writer is implying that K isn't a mindless machine because of his experiences
It's a hermetic story of individuation.
K's actions to save Deckard instead of following the orders of the resistance means he has mapped out a third path, opposite of the two extremes.
The point is that he is fully the hermaphrodite of Plato, a being that can now take on the Gods so he has to be cut down. But in his cutting down, he also legitimizes Ana Stelline.
Joi is K's anima, but K is Stelline's animus - and he delivers her to a world of miracles.
>K doesnt care about giant Joi or another Joi because even if she would look exactly the same it wouldnt be his Joi
>Deckard doesnt care about Rachel 2.0 because even though she looks like her its not his Rachel
Regular joe is just an expression for average guy.
>And the same thing with the digital woman.
at least read the whole post before posting user
Joi didn't develop at all during the movie, she started completely devoted to K and never deviated from that.
Joi a shit and K finally notices that when he sees the giant purple hologram
Within feels interlinked
You're far too esoteric/Neoplatonist in your interpretation. It's completely detected from the actual film itself.
>Joi didn't develop at all during the movie, she started completely devoted to K and never deviated from that.
The beginning of the movie is not when he first purchased Joi. There may have been a year or two of social bonding between them before the point in time where the movie starts from.
and all she does is your typical robo waifu behaviour
If a memory is fake but feels real, is it really fake?
Nothing really differentiates a human from a replicant.
That's the point of both movies.
We are essentially not that different to computer generations ourselves.
interlinked
if you know it is, or are not sure if it is, yes. if you dont know that it might be fake, who cares
do they ever mention in the book why humanity decided to make replicants instead of robots?
genetically engineering human slaves sounds pretty far fetched to me
>if you dont know that it might be fake, who cares
Well someone who does no would.
It's the most lonely feeling to have. Knowing it is a dream. Knowing that differentiation is your own delusion.
You're not even close to your baseline desu
what if the memory is real but feels fake, is it really real?
as in Krapp's Last Tape
But how can it be any other way. If we are to consider that this is a sequel and not a standalone movie, and considering Wallace's statement
>We can storm Eden and reclaim it!
There is always a story beyond what we are witnessing in the Blade Runner movies, this time it is about a slave being freed. It is his story, again telling us that even in the larger schemes of stories - the little players can also be consumed by the daemon.
Ana has been a isolated recluse for most of her life but has created memories, that we have no idea how many replicants have been implanted with (hers are the best memories).
K is a replicant but has the 'freedom' of movement, his imprinting on the world depends on those very memories.
They are one and the same, which is why its such an important scene when she looks into her own memory and says
>someone lived this
and K screams out in agony. The idea of the philosopher's stone is shared, not just by them but by all replicants (or it will be).
Remember on one hand it is the story of the boy who wished he was real but on the other hand and in the backdrop it is a story about the Messiah/the UFO. That which will change society forever.
The fact is that the real and fake are at some point indistinguishable. What matters is the experience.
>It's completely detected from the actual film itself.
The whole film is esoteric.
in nearly any film you can make these types of analysis though. interesting nonetheless.
I was really hoping that when he met the prostitute after being rescued, they would reveal that through synching she backed her up somehow. Guess it's better this way
What? it's way easier to make a gmo human than it would be to make a robut.
but you're making an actual human bean
how do you justify enslaving a fellow human even if he's gmo?
I would buy the whole replicant thing if they were advanced robots
>boy who wished he was real
Summarises the position of the pantheistic god.
;_;
"Great Pan is dead"
you mean eremitic
The hooker was just a replicant, she doesn't have a computer brain or anything.
Because they're not ADVERTISED as being real human beings. It's a marketing thing. Presumably the replicant animals came first, and people got used to the idea of "fake" animals that are organic, so selling them on "fake" humans was possible.
Well that just makes the whole film retarded then. Kind of like the whole 'hurr deckard is a replicant'
Would PKD have approved of this film?
Actually it's more like he can't die.
>these are the kind of people we'll have to deal with now that neofag is dead
Will this be the migration that kills 4chin?
I think they opted for replicants as opposed to robots because they were sold to encourage people to emigrate to the off world colonies. The world in Blade Runner is a post war and depopulated, bereft of life. Having a slave which is reminiscent of a human makes emigrating more palatable.
Neofaggots aren't going to come here, they'll migrate to plebbit.
What the fuck, is neofag /ourguy/
This can go two ways, punk. One, you stop posting. Two, I stop you from posting
>Sentience is gained through experience and choices that drive beings off their baseline, which is in the end, their base programming, IE, be a slave, love your master because he bought you etc...
Nonsentientjoifaggots forever BTFO
That's absolutely right though. Pedophilia is an ilness and the people suffeeing from it are victims as long as they don't fiddle kids
>t.child molester
Imagine if your fleshlight turned sentinent and had an identity crisis about its place in the world. That's what would happen if Jois were able to magically turn sentinent, they'd be pulled off the market really fucking fast. Especially since Jois could have potential to even kill people and cause general havoc, which is probably what they'd do if they were owned by an average 4channer while pondering their purpose in life. Shitty writing
>Pedophilia is an ilness
Correct
>and the people suffeeing from it are victims
If they exploit children then they are not. They're just beasts then. Uncontrollable beasts.
Keep it within mind or else you are not human at all. Try to reduce it. Try to rewire the mind.
As long as no child is harmed then you do no inherit wrong.
But that is not to say that you should just succumb to the thought. Your mind is like a small out of control camp-fire with the potential to burn the forest. Control it.
Well yeah, I admit, I didn't see it because of how overall the movie was so bland, boring, completely unnecessary, added nothing, expanded on nothing.
I am sorry that I completely missed the already 10000000000000000 times done story of Jesus (boss man/creative genius of a higher race creates a lower race in his image to serve and be playthings and than sends on of his higher race, one of his henchmen to make a baby with one of the lower races thus elevating that race to something special) and the 598275982759286598265982 times done Romeo and Juliet story. I am sorry user.
Reminder Blade Runner is a fictional world
Reminder machines with the potential to kill people and cause general problem turning sentient is exactly the reason why blade runners exist
Read the whole fucking post before you write an essay, fuck
Wallace represents God, but according to Gnosticism as a malign Demiurge who seeks domination of the material realm and the trapping of man's divine spirit in the prison of the body.
The film represents the world as broken, dystopian, filthy, run-down to drive home the idea that God has made a failed creation which relies on slavery (replicants, child sweat shop workers) to work. That He just sits back and tolerates these evils; in fact, He is working on creating more slaves.
I guess "Luv" is a subtle attack on the Christian idea that God is love. "Luv" is Wallace's "best angel", i.e. the best manifestation of Himself. However, we see "Luv" raining down bombs from the heavens on the poor folk half way through the film. She remains dogmatically faithful to Wallace (God) all throughout the film; and fights K because he is beginning to wake up to his "individuality" (his separation and rebellion against God).
The film represents Wallace as a kind of head of a nefarious illuminati that controls society; but the replicant rebels with their one-eyed leader are the actual illuminati who are staging a rebellion against "God" (Wallace). This is typical of occult symbols of inverting everything. We are made to believe that Wallace is the evil one who dominates society and makes slaves of us all; but really this is the satanic view of God ruling the universe through love ("luv"), and the replicant rebels are actually the satanist illuminati, those who refuse to be God's "slaves" anymore, are aware of their own divinity (that they have souls), and are willing to rebel.
We watch K as he goes from a soulless robotic slave of Wallace, to him realising that he has a soul, and acting against his masters.
Do replicants represent angels or human beings? It seems to be both.
Why does K save Deckard and reunite him with his daughter? What do Deckard, Rachel, and their daughter represent? The daughter seems to be some kind of Gnostic messiah, an antichrist figure who awakens the replicants (enslaved humanity) to their divinity, encouraging their rebellion against God. But why does K not kill Deckard like the rebellion asked him to? It obviously has something to do with Joi and K's realisation of the importance of love. Perhaps the idea is that the messiah cannot really fulfil her mission until she has been reunited with her father. So if the daughter represents the antichrist, then who does Deckard represent? Satan? Seems farfetched.
What does Joi represent? I think "joy" represents fantasy and sin. K only wakes to his individuality and rebels against society and his slavery when he embraces sin.
So they made the exact fucking same mistake twice? Like I said, shitty sriting
that's a lot of things to say about a movie you've never seen before
>but in spaaaace
oh wait
>but in the fuuutuuuure
That's a lot of words for a shitpost
Jerk Off Instruction.
THAT'S WHAT HER NAME IS.
No. Thrice. There was BR Blackout too
This, I can dig. Yeah, usually the illuminati revert symbols, but I believe the nature of "free will" is being awake yourself. The symbols are not inherently evil, and awakening is a thing to be sought, though these illuminati take pride in their own state of awakening, they are not the only ones, ant the intention they put on their actions is what makes them evil in the end. Control. Submission. Power. Replicants can be us, and them, technically, it's an allegory of Lucifer, the reberriouls angel though, but again, the intention defines the rest.
please tell me if i got it right:
>K knows JOI is just a program
>because of that he feels a connection to her since he is just a program too
>JOI really does love him but only because her feelings are "implanted" too
>when he sees giant JOI hes not reflecting on his JOI was just one in a billion but because hes reminded that HE himself is one in a billion, nothing special. He got the same fate as JOI, being a mass product.
I was elaborating?
Sorry for agreeing?
Whatever
We don't know how the machine sentience is really handled on either case. My guess is it has to do with the fact that intelligences are able to self-replicare, learn and grow. They probably wanted something to be smart, but sentience was a secondary unwanted effect they can't get rid of, and that's why they keep ghanging the models and trying to make them more obedient, failing every time.
>One mans fap is another man's purest form of waifu
Just like real life m8
>The film represents the world as broken, dystopian, filthy, run-down to drive home the idea that God has made a failed creation which relies on slavery (replicants, child sweat shop workers) to work. That He just sits back and tolerates these evils; in fact, He is working on creating more slaves.
Or God's creation became so powerful it imprisoned him like Orion.
Not quite. The whole film is about K realising that he is not just a programmed machine, but a real individual person, a "soul".
At the end when he sees Wallace Corp's billboard JOI, he is being tempted to abandon the notion that he has a soul, and revert back to his earlier stage at the beginning of the film. But he rebels against this idea. He asserts his individuality / his soul by saving Deckard. Just as his Joi cannot be reduced to the base programming of billboard JOI, so neither can he, K, be reduced to his base programming. The point of the billboard JOI was indeed to make him think, "haha your waifu isn't real, and neither are you", but he refuses to believe it anymore.
ok yeah that makes more sense.
>You are a real boy Pinocchio
This whole debate depends much on the viewer and how the movie reached them
However, to some of us, and after OP's post I'm more convinced it was more about how the ordeals of machines helped them gain sentience, uniqueness and a soul. They are special. The most human thing they can do is die for the right cause, and they both do.
Giant Joi is empty because she wasn't K's Joi
That's what being off baseline means. They are not subject to their programming anymore
>The whole film is about K realising that he is not just a programmed machine, but a real individual person, a "soul".
I agree. It asks, "what are we really?"
>The point of the billboard JOI was indeed to make him think, "haha your waifu isn't real, and neither are you", but he refuses to believe it anymore.
His experience was real. It was fake.
It's interesting but I disagree. I don't think Wallace represents God, I think he represents a seeker of Gnosis. The Gnosis in this case is, as you say, to create the next stage. The Angel-Man. Like the prostitute replicant says
>More human than human
Wallace is the blind god himself, or seeks to be at least. He is more like Samael both literally and figuratively.
His best angel is Luv, a cheap allegory but
>Love is the law, love under will
The only person not seeking Gnosis, is K. But he is off the belief that he IS Gnosis. Because he was implanted with that specific memory. In that sense he is the alchemical shadow.
Notice the color schemes for K. Nigredo. He is the blackening. The beginning. He is the shadow within.
Ana is white, the purification. Albedo. When the alchemical process is finished, it even starts snowing and K embraces the washing away of the impurities. The philosopher's stone is complete.
I do not agree that the Rebels are a illuminati that seeks to overthrow God, I think they are also seekers of Gnosis but will use it instead for their goal which is not to storm and reclaim Eden but to instill a new order.
Revolution is a funny word. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions.
When the leader of the Rebels tells K they all thought they were the child, it is different to K because of his shared memory.
K then thwarts both factions and comes up with his own plan.
what is he on about, you retarded mongoloid who can't even understand the most basic sentences, is that K loved joi according to the screenwriter. but that does not imply she loved him or was capable of such thing.
do you understand now you retarded cumstain waste of carbon?
>or was capable of such thing
read the quote in OP again. maybe you'll understand it a 2nd time around.
I REJECT DANGANRONPA
Yeah, the more human than human line implied they believe themselves to be superior to humans
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