Careful friend, you better step off with those opinions, we don't take kindly to people bad-mouthing DC Kino like Man of Steel here.
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Joshua Garcia
Connor Adams
>2 IPs
>me and OP
Colton White
>nobody is happy
Isaac Long
>nobody is happy
youtu.be
Jonathan Evans
You do know that David S. Goyer and Christopher Nolan were the ones that wrote the script of the movie, right? That Zack Snyder was just chosen as a director because of his visual style and kinetic fighting scenes, right?
So why blame Snyder for everything? The movie was going to be a first-contact a la War of the Words type of story with or without him.
Ian Rodriguez
these oil rig workers look pretty happy to be saved when clark bursts in
Samuel Robinson
these kids look pretty happy to be saved:
Jaxon Roberts
OP's angry because in MoS Superman felt like an outcast and had to earn people's trust instead of just being generally happy and accepted and adored on the spot.
Robert Foster
Because it was absolutely poor direction. The characters are wooden and flat. Yeah nolan's script is shit bu synder gets most of the blame because a good direction can at least mask the issues. Instead we got cardboard cutouts expositioning to one another and jesus metaphors.
Isaiah Lewis
MAN OF HOPE
Jack Walker
Jor-El looks pretty amazed and happy his son is born you autist
Colton Scott
>characters are wooden and flat
nah, they show a pretty wide range of emotions and all have arcs more or less. Also there is literally a single jesus image in Man of Steel, the Donner movies are ACTUALLY jesus analogues unlike the Snyder movies.
And I dont think you know what exposition means m8.
Jaxson Bailey
>nobody is happy
>characters are wooden and flat
they both look pretty happy and nuanced here:
youtube.com
Logan Moore
they could've fixed his origin but blew it!
William Allen
So do we just call you synderfag and move on because you are autistically defending a bad movie. if you like it good for you but it doesn't stop it from being shit.
Hunter Gonzalez
>I have no argument, and I must shitpost
Michael Sanders
"Superman in a realistic world" would've gotten called edgy and mean-spirited just as well. Don't pretend that audiences care for anything more than quips and kid-friendly action.
Robert Butler
>Man of Steel
>DC Kino
Christopher Garcia
You're putting your fingers in your ears and throwing a tantrum. I'm not going to waste time on an autistic manchild.
Isaac Gonzalez
>I cant form an argument
>but I got these neat arrows
Josiah Rodriguez
You just ignored all the videos the guy posted where the characters show a good range of emotions and all you had as a response is that the movie is shit.
I've seen this many times. Every time someone either defend MoS or BvS with good arguments or examples people resort to the 'Rotten Tomatoes' rhetoric where none of what was said matters because the "movie is just".
Lucas Young
Actors under Snyder only have 2 facial expressions.
Frowing like he smelled a fart and pic related.
Juan Gray
see
Brody Lopez
This must be why people are so hyped for Wolverine.
Jason Bell
>Clips taken out of the entire picture represent the whole thing
>Especially those out of context
>especially when the actors are still just bad except for in a few places
It's not a good argument and it's based on taste. It's okay we can't all have good taste.
Juan Thomas
Nostalgia.
People are accustomed to Superman being charming and saving everyone, so they expect "reboots" to follow that. The X-Men movies, though, always showed Wolverine as a gruffy and murderous baddass hat have it rough. That's why they don't mind more it.
Now you try to make a movie where Wolverine's all nice and cuddly.
Andrew Garcia
> Every time someone either defend MoS or BvS with good arguments or examples people resort to the 'Rotten Tomatoes' rhetoric where none of what was said matters because the "movie is just".
Brody Rodriguez
Nah, sorry but you doesn't know nothing about tone.
We are talking about a movie that explained kid Clark playing with a cape with him being geneticaly manipulated to like capes.
Jackson Lewis
How do you make movie about a guy who has fucking dagger mittens NOT edgy? You think playing somber shit in the background and have him protecting a girl really changes anything?
Jason Robinson
What was said was subjective bullshit. The movie had a few good parts most of the clips don't show that. I'm just going to stop now you clearly care too much. You should work on making Justice League not shit synder.
Adam Thompson
>a race that has been genetically engineering itself for years to think a certain way has a genetic disposition to wear certain clothes
no shit you dumb ass, try thinking for a second.
also
>Pa Kent sacrificing himself to protect his son's secret is bad
confirmed to never have had a loving father
Josiah Taylor
This is called moving the goalposts.
Hell, we can mention multiple movies here on Wolverine's place, like DOFP or first class, the Hellboy movies and so on.
This is just an stupid execuse that you developed to feel persecuted, like the millenial that you are.
Elijah Young
> Every time someone either defend MoS or BvS with good arguments or examples people resort to the 'Rotten Tomatoes' rhetoric where none of what was said matters because the "movie is just".
Elijah Cook
The movie was great.
Luis White
>no shit
Are you seriously defending this?
This is stupid as fuck and exchange kid Clark childish glee for genetic imposition TO WEAR DETERMINED TYPES OF CLOTHES.
Caleb Nelson
thats not what moving the goalposts means though, in his very initial post he specifically stated it was about Superman and you brought up wolverine out of nowhere.
Jonathan Lewis
>We are talking about a movie that explained kid Clark playing with a cape with him being geneticaly manipulated to like capes.
That wasn't in the movie, though. Interviews don't count for shit.
Benjamin Ramirez
this, honestly
>a race that has been genetically engineering itself for years to think a certain way has a genetic disposition to wear certain clothes
learn to read
Cameron James
Everything that Pa Kent did was show to be bad tho and the sacrifice was needless.
Also it is hilarious how snyderfags resort to insults when someone points out shit writting.
Josiah Adams
Can you tell me the scene where it is explained that Clark wore cape as a kid because he's predisposed to it by genetic manipulation? Was Jor-El that told him this?
Elijah Smith
>Everything that Pa Kent did was show to be bad tho
but everything Pa Kent did was shown to be good tho and everything he worried about ended up coming to fruition
Henry Martin
You've been insulting everyone in the thread. You've even called people here as Zack Snyder, as if he had a personal vendetta against the director and he followed you everywhere.
William Reed
It's kinda neat that they could have just done something like this and not done another fucking origin for a guy whose origin everyone in the world knows.
Zachary Diaz
The movie was a disaster OP, made just to fuck up the family of Superman's creator.
No surprise that it is shit.
Levi Wright
eh idk about that, comic readers do, but there hasnt ever been a flat out origin movie before.
Nicholas Lewis
>everyone is just one person
Good one, snyderfag.
Michael Gonzalez
>IP count doesnt go up
really makes you think
Mason Peterson
>made just to fuck up the family of Superman's creator.
That's a lie.
Daniel Miller
No, everything went bad because of him.
Superman became emotionaly scared and barely sane because of him.
He also never showed to the world on his own terms, making his reception better.
Again, because of him.
Dominic Adams
You should research a bit more. Evento Wikipedia shows it.
Lincoln Jones
>and everything he worried about ended up coming to fruition
Only because Clark listened to him and didn't present to the world the idea of an altruistic somebody who just happens to come from space. Usually the way things go is that Supes sets the precedent, and then when Zod shows up the public is like "sure am glad Superman's one of us!"
With this we have an alien announcing "Hey there's one of us hiding on your world, where is he" and then, from the perspective of the Earthlings, they get buttfucked by a spaceship and one of their cities is trashed, and then the guy that they've been allegedly looking for is the one that breaks half the city (and Smallville) in a fight and then decides he's gonna fly around saving people while looking solemn and doing nothing to protect their state of minds. How the fuck is the public meant to trust that? The only difference in BvS is that Supes dies in the process of fighting someone else like him, and suddenly the whole world mourns him? Bullshit. They weren't mad at him for causing the DC explosion they were mad he didn't stop it. Finding the culprit doesn't erase that they should still have been mad at his ineptitude.
Thomas Kelly
>He also never showed to the world on his own terms, making his reception better.
Did you miss that whole interview scene with Lois? He started too and then he saved the world right after, which is why half the world loves Clark.
And none of that had to do with Pa Kent yo, and Clark is perfectly sane. Your ramblings are shit m8.
Asher Flores
What?
The first superman movie had an origin sequence.
It's also been brought up in EVERY tv show for the property.
Superman's origin is quite possibly the best known origin amongst any comic book character.
Jaxson Cooper
I've read all the interviews done by Goyer, Nolan and Snyder about the movie. Have you?
The project started when Goyer decided to play with a Superman script, then Nolan liked and helped him pitch it to the executives, then both of them worked on the script together. They had no ill intent with it. They just wanted to do their take on Superman.
Hunter Martin
There's an entire 9 season origin tv show, too, smallville.
Camden Martinez
he saved the world man, your criticisms are just flat out wrong because in BvS it shows that half the world loves him.
also
>its bad because its now how like it usually is
top kek
Jacob Lopez
>an origin sequence
>an origin tv show
>same as an origin movie
learn to read
Kayden Murphy
He see alucinations of his dead dad that killed himself in front of him rambling about screams of agony of dying horses.
He never had a girlfriend and friends for 33 years of his life. He just talks with Lois and his mother.
Knightmare shows that Lois dying would make him snap into a maniac monster.
Yeah....seems pretty sane....
Colton Green
Superman was beloved by the people in the beginning of BvS. That's what sets the whole conflict with Lex. Superman even had a statue in his honor built in Metropolis.
For example the congress committee on Superman, something created to cull Superman's actions, was so desperate to nail something on Superman that they ended taking any witness they could get from the African massacre.
Go watch the movie again. You didn't payed enough attention the first time.
Jason Morris
Superman the movie literally has his entire origin in it.
Right up to teenage clark dealing with having powers he can't show people in smallville to his first meeting of lois lane.
The only thing it's missing is jor el actually inseminating his wife.
Jeremiah Turner
Man of Steel is legitimately the most emotionally powerful superhero film of all time
Spiderman1/2 and BvS come close though
Luke Brooks
>He never had a girlfriend and friends for 33 years of his life
This was never stated or shown in MoS. He worked really well with his various co-workers on the oddjobs he would get.
Asher Cooper
In 2009, a court ruling resulted in Jerry Siegel's family recapturing the rights to Superman's origins and Siegel's copyright. The decision stated that Warner Bros. did not owe the families additional royalties from previous films, but if they did not begin production on a Superman film by 2011, then the Shuster and Siegel estates would be able to sue for lost revenue on an unproduced film. Producer Christopher Nolan pitched Goyer's idea after story discussion on The Dark Knight Rises, and Snyder was hired as the film's director in October 2010. Principal photography began in August 2011 in West Chicago, Illinois, before moving to Vancouver and Plano, Illinois.
Brandon Gonzalez
>alucinations
what's an alucination
Gavin White
Nigga never was show talking with any of them.
Being friends =/= being on the same room as someone.
Isaiah Jenkins
He defended his co-worker from the sleazy truckdriver. She was even concerned about him when he went to talk with the guy.
Levi Bennett
>He see alucinations of his dead dad
Pleb detected, him talking to his dead dad is Superman 101, they even do it in Smallville. Also learn to spell.
>He never had a girlfriend and friends for 33 years of his life.
Its implied that Pete Ross is his friend since his mom comes over to his home and he is at Clark's funeral. Also there are plenty of comics that show young man clark wondering or being a loner. Like Birthright and Secret Identity.
>Knightmare shows that Lois dying would make him snap into a maniac monster.
We dont even know if it was real, and there have been multiple comics that have shown the exact same thing happening to Superman.
You are such a pleb it hurts.
Jacob Ortiz
Still doesn't mean that Goyer, Nolan and Snyder made MoS deliberately to fuck Superman's creators.
Elijah Fisher
yeah but it cuts a big slice of time out of his life that MoS shows. But whatever, if you dont like that MoS was an origin thats fine, it didnt bother me. It had been roughly 40 years since the last origin Superman movie.
Blake Taylor
beautiful
Elijah White
You know how literally everything in MoS would've been fine if Clark was never sent to Earth? Zod never would've come, millions wouldn't have died in a big dumb battle at the end.
Jose Thompson
I'm just saying, there was an origin film, the literal first movie, and his origin was covered in media for literally 60+ years.
That was my point.
The origin has been done again, and again, and again, and again, and there wasn't anything special about what man of steel gave us.
Hell, it had a worse discovery of his kryptonian origins sequence than the first movie, had.
Aaron Nelson
but thats true for actual Superman too. Zod would never have to come to earth in the comics if not for Superman. Lex would never turn evil if not for Superman. Brainiac would probably not have to come to Earth if not for Superman,
Come on, dont be a pleb.
Robert Green
Just the studio who greenlighted it as quick as possible.
Daniel Murphy
idk I think it was a fine discovery scene, not amazing or anything, but the metal living tech was cool. And I liked that they turned krypton into, basically, Plato's Republic and made it more directly tied into Zod and Doomsday.
But if you didnt thats fine, and I also say I accept your point and admit that previously I was wrong.
Aaron Thompson
In Grant Morrison's Action Comics run pretty much all the villains either came to Earth or became evil because of Superman.
Jonathan Cook
I like Man of Steel.
Anthony Turner
>Lex would never turn evil if not for Superman.
Wut? Lex was always evil, and Brainiac was wrecking shit all over space and could have easily eventually come to earth without superman.
Colton Campbell
>Lex was always evil
Was he?
Alexander Hughes
Show me a comic of superman talking with ghost pa kent.
>huuuur pleb
Also, why snyderfags act like shillary supporters?
Isaiah Nguyen
>Lex was always evil
>he hasnt read Red Son
>he hasnt read Golden Age
>he hasnt read one of the other countless stories where Superman never came and Lex was good
confirmed for biggest of plebs
Lincoln Thomas
>Lex was always evil
Parker Taylor
see
Michael Gutierrez
>supes levels an entire city block fighting someone in the cartoons
>this is ok
>man of steel shows his fight with zod leveling downtown metropolis
>OMG MAN OF MURDER SNYDER IS A HACK HE DOESNT UNDERSTAND THE CHARACTER AT ALL
Every time.
Adrian Edwards
(((Synder))) please stop posting on this board. Don't you have better things to do.
Jonathan Morgan
In almost every interpretation, and definitely since COIE.
He's a ruthless businessman who literally destroys people if it benefits him.
In his earliest incarnations he was just a mad scientist/professional asshole.
The only interpretation where superman "made" him evil was the goofy superboy comics where superboy made him bald and that's why he hates him, but he was a total dick before that, too.
Not him, but in the films, talking to dead krypton dad is standard, and in smallville it's usually that also but taking the form of jonathan.
However, the last issue of the funeral for a friend series has pa kent's spirit talking to superman's spirit between worlds.
Grayson Sanchez
they literally just did it in Trinity two months ago.
also
Blake Peterson
in Red Son it shows Lex being good because Superman didnt land in America
Jayden Flores
>in the comics Metallo wouldnt exist without Superman
>the kryptonite man wouldnt exist without Superman
>Myx wouldnt terrorize earth if not for Superman
>Bizarro wouldnt exist without Superman
MOST of his villains exist because he does
Brody Morgan
>Well in elseworlds!
Yeah, and?
I also mentioned the superboy comic here
And I'm not sure you guys are aware but young lex in that was a narcissistic complete douchebag before losing his hair. He pretty much liked superboy because he thought himself to be his equal, and literally when he fucks up on his own he finds an excuse to hate superboy because, again, colossal fucking dick.
Luke Scott
I think people might not have been so turned off if Snyder hadn't made the carnage so personal. You can literally see millions of innocent people being thrown into the sky and smacked back down by the World Engine, to say nothing of the evocative 9/11 imagery of people running away from plumes of dust while buildings are toppled with innocent people trapped inside.
Gabriel Moore
Snyder was attached because he wouldn't do any rewrites, which take time. How do you explain that rush to production?
As good practice for the six weeks they gave to write Suicide Squad?
Andrew Scott
Red son is also an elseworlds story, where all sorts of shit is different than it typically is.
Lex in mos media that's been tied to actual core canon has always been a piece of shit.
Chase Diaz
well good thing Lex in BvS was evil before Superman showed up too
and the golden age isnt an elseworld m8
Dominic Green
No you don't get it. It's not fair to take the thing that's shown to be bad and think it's a bad thing that happened. Framing doesn't matter!
Jose King
>You can literally see millions of innocent people being thrown into the sky and smacked back down
kek no you cant
>muh 9/11
get over it
Jason Gomez
im just saying, the idea of Lex being good without Superman has precedent. Wasnt good Lex in CoIE from a world without Superman?
Gabriel Robinson
>how dare Snyder show a bad event as being terrible and bad
Matthew Cruz
Think of all the innocent people in those buildings that died during Supes' fight with Captain Marvel in that Justice League episode. Where is the outrage there?
Lincoln Hall
>and the golden age isnt an elseworld m8
I didn't say it was, did you actually read that whole post or just the first two lines?
You want to go back to golden age? How about his first appearance, where he's a mad scientist living in a floating fortress and plotting to start a war for kicks?