Is Denis Villeneuve Overrated?

I've seen three of his "critical successes" now, sicario, arrival and now blade runner 2049 tonight. Honestly all three were a huge disappointment. Visually they are great, but each and every one of them seems to lack critical elements of suspense, build-up, or any human elements that grip you. I think Denis could use a re-watching of Hitchcock. He might gain some additional ideas on narrative structure, and then perhaps his exceptional Form and cinematography would have a bit more punch.
tl;dr: why is denis villeneuve a bad storyteller?

if your adrenaline wasn't pumping during the entire seawall scene, you weren't paying attention

Enemy and Incendies are his best imo

he doesn't conceptualize the movie as a whole.

he props up what he belives to be compelling characters with the world witch makes them a juxtupostion of pretension on top of brown fudge nothing is really conected

> but each and every one of them seems to lack critical elements of suspense, build-up, or any human elements that grip you

Are you nuts? The convoy scene in Sicario was intense as fuck

>Or any human elements that grip you
I got choked up twice during 2049

I personally enjoyed Prisoners and Enemy more than Arrival or Sicario (haven't yet seen 2049). It's possible based on your critiques that those (especially Prisoners) might be to your liking.

>suddenly you realize a bee is crawling on your arm

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Go to bed, Ridley. The original Blade Runner has been surpassed narratively, thematically, and visually.

Yes, it was an action scene, which literally has nothing to do with narrative suspense and narrative build up. Go back and watch Rear Window. The entire plot is explained more or less in the first 5 minutes of the film, and the rest of the movie is ENHANCED by it, not removed.

This meme of forced ambiguity is absolute rubbish. I like open ENDINGS, but forcing all these interpretations for characters motives during the entire movie is just absolute garbage bin tier narrative.

He knows how to build up, but his pay offs are weak. He fucks the audience close to orgasm, but then blows his load too early and barely puts out two little squirts.

yes. his best film to date is enemies --- and even that movie is just 1966's persona for idiots.

villeneuve definitely has a nice, regal approach to his filmmaking but he has a tendency to leave his films without any subtext or anything warranting any quiet contemplation from its viewer.

nothing says the aforementioned more than bladerunner 2049. movie leaves nothing for the audience to ruminate over unlike its predecessor.

tl;dr: basically nolan for surface level hipsters that get tattoos based off studio ghibli films love mac demarco

The original is literally in my top 5 goat movies. Its why I am today obsessed with PK Dick. The suspense and buildup and character development is superb, and the score hightens every scene.

Compare this with the nascar engine revs every time you pan to the megatokyo LA in 2049. Just really cheap and superficial-- no human element. Just a bland Pinocchio story.

respectfully I disagree with your god-awful, shit-for-brains opinion

>The original is literally in my top 5 goat movies. Its why I am today obsessed with PK Dick.
Here we go

>Is Stanley Kubrick Overrated?
>I've seen three of his "critical successes" now, dr. strangelove, a clockwork orange and now 2001: a space odyssey tonight. Honestly all three were a huge disappointment. Visually they are great, but each and every one of them seems to lack critical elements of suspense, build-up, or any human elements that grip you. I think Stanley could use a re-watching of Eisenstein. He might gain some additional ideas on narrative structure, and then perhaps his exceptional Form and cinematography would have a bit more punch.
>tl;dr: why is stanley kubrick a bad storyteller?

my top 5 is:
no country for old men
blade runner
rear window
once upon a time in the west
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>r8 it

Cliché and insecure/5

guess i gotta include some anime to be more edgy and with it

Fedora/ 10

Or you can stop putting acclaimed yet not overrated films in your top 5 to fit in, it's as transparent as it gets.

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Or, it just happens to be the movies that i watch again and again?

>wow i can't believe you like thing
>stop liking thing and like other thing

Watch more movies then.

literally how autistic can you be to think that i want to fit in AS ANONYMOUS on a fucking forum i never visit? lol dude get out of the house more than once a month

>top 5
>yup only movies ive ever seen brah

If NCFOM is on your top 5 unironically you need to watch at least 3000 more movies.

My main gripe about blade runner is the lack of world building. The original blade runner was about aesthetics, atmosphere, and setting, you had a great window into that world and got to see how people lived in it.
In this one, we catch mere glimpses at the world outside the main plot, it just feels rushed and leaves me wanting to see so much more. It's sad when a near 3 hour movie feels rushed.

exactly. Way too much time spent on that hollow personal assistant. I honestly thought the entire time it was going to turn out to be a plot device that the megacorp was using to spy on gosling. Really ended up just being a big nothing burger for the plot. Made very little sense to me.

Denis needs to learn about Chekhov's Gun.

Every character is fantastically developed, the score is lacking, but visually its great as well.

Honestly whats not to like about ncfom?

>Made very little sense to me.
because you're fucking retarded, don't blame the film for you being a moron

Why are there bees in the middle of a radioactive desert with no plants? What do the bees eat?

Good post. And what pisses me off about them is not just that they lack subtext or anything worth contemplating, but that they pretend to have them, Prisoners being the worst offender. The funny things is that this is the actual definition of pretentious, and the people that herald Villeneuve as the best current director get all mad when you call him mediocre and list other movies and directors as better. "Ahh obscure and pretentious, fuck off" when in reality Villeneuve is serving up empty, competent films that they mistake for something actually good

Jesus Christ you can't be serious

You seem a bit dense so let me hold your hand.
>3 hour movie
>literally 45m of a machine serenading our hero, gosling, who is also as it turns out total cyborg.
>he seems only mildly attracted to this robot, and he himself is quite robotic in everything he does
>robot girlfriend dies anticlimactically by a boot
>literally a meaningless 45m waste of the audiences time, just to prove that gosling is a robotic one dimensional personality
10/10 hes the second coming of Scorsese

>movie leaves nothing for the audience to ruminate over unlike its predecessor
No, in the end, there was much to think about, how real or fake Joi was, et cetera.

>haven't yet seen 2049
get to the theater as soon as possible, it's being pulled from screens all over and this will be a movie people will say o years to comes, shit I wish I saw it on a big screen

No really, chekhovs gun why was that scene there? It literally was meaningless and added no character development to gosling other than "oh gee inhuman reactions to bee stings" Give me a fucking break Denis absolutely deserves to never get produced again after this bomb. They are already pulling the movie from all the major theaters. I went tonight because it was the last night my theater would play it.

>Siri the movie
sweet brah, who cares.

Honestly no. I went there and watched it for the same FOMO, and it was pointless. All gloss no substance.

>FOMO
you don't belong here

make me leave, i bet you wont

meet me at mcdonalds i will grease the floor with your face and afterwards fuck your mom and give you a new brother

whoa bro how about you say that straight into my face and then see what will happen to you?

Never post again

what will happen to me is i will be crowned king of your asshole and plant my flag in it

>Just a bland Pinocchio story
which Pinocchio story are you talking about, K, Joi, Luv, Joshi, Deckard? Some are real humans and some are not but every single one has a character arc

Keep it up cowboy and i might have to make this my new internet home ;)

>Why did the film about technological bread and circuses, whether artificial beings can have real emotions and the conflict between reality and illusion have a subplot about whether the AI truly loved K or if it was just a programmed lie
Stop being a fucking retard.

You missed the point, though. This subplot literally added nor subtracted to anything else in the film. It was a 45m sidequest to go collect chickens for the pastoral maiden. Honestly watching this movie was like watching a video game tier plot. "He comes upon a kept beehive. Harvest 10 units of honey. Achievement unlocked: pointless quest completed!" Don't our directors bother to read books anymore?

pathetic

blade runner 2049 is this generations A.I.

Blade Runner was a mastepiece

Arrival , Sicario, Prisoners were above average. I think he did everything possible with the script and budget he had for those movies.

I really hate Incendies tho

This is too obvious now

holy shit

And we're done here.

I don't think he's the best director in Hollywood or anything.
But BR 2049 could have ended up in much worse hands like Ridley Scott for example.
It's an amazing movie, glad we got it .

>FOMO
a retard can be led to kino but it's still a fucking tard back to plebbit with you

I feel like if ridley wouldve co-directed this had the potential to be a masterpiece, but fell oh so short in so many ways. It will be as forgotten as spielbergs AI.

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did you not watch the new prometheus/alien movie?

ridley scott is senile

people hated a.i. when it came out, dun. people are saying blade runner 2049 is better than the original and heralding it as the best sequel of all time.

And why then exactly is it bombing at the box office? Its being pulled from my tier 1 theater as of tonight.

The theater had literally 5 other people in it than me. Sad.

Well dont know about sequel, but its definitely the best modern hollywood nostalgia cashgrab.

the martian was decent. I feel like most NASA-genre movies are a re-tread of a re-tread, but at least it was a good attempt at original science fiction storytelling.

>Sad.
Are the anti-shills of this movie razorfist trump fanboys?
what a pathetic existence

It's bombing because there was never an audience to begin with. That, and they overspent. If they had made it for 100 million, it would likely be considered a success at its current pace.

Yeah, but thats literally the economics of movie making. If you lose money, its an abject failure.

same reason the first one bombed. this type of film only appeals to a niche audience. the fact that it made over 70 mil nationally is a feat in and of itself.

why would i wanna see this boring shit when i could watch a superhero movie?

True, but they haven't opened in China yet. It's possible that could save it. Plus it'll have strong dvd sales. I doubt it will lose money in the end, but it certainly doesn't warrant any sequels.

>literally hasn't made a bad movie
>has now made multiple kino class science fiction movies

No. He's that good.

The Arrival is "classic" to you?
yikes..

that was the only good part of the entire movie

He makes movies for middlebrow viewers who like to tip their film buff hats and be tricked into feeling like they're somehow more discerning viewer, appreciating the medium on a level beyond the plebs, but it's normiecore schlock all the same. His movies are Nolan level hand-holding trash, Villeneuve just hasn't gotten to the point where his name has become unfashionable yet.

ambiguity is absolutely vital to art. but you seem to be implying sicario was ambiguous? i can't think of a more shallow and literal movie

if you make a film that is unerlit and humorless people will mistake it for thoughtful every time

>tl;dr: basically nolan for surface level hipsters that get tattoos based off studio ghibli films love mac demarco
> tattoos based off studio ghibli films love mac demarco
>tfw know the exact type of person like this

the border crossing scene in dicaprio had me on the edge desu. esp the firefight on the bridge.

His fatal flaw is that his movies, save for BL2049, don't have the spark in them to make you want to watch them more than once. I think Blade Runner is the exception because it builds on the original really well.

What happened to Wallace or whatshisname?

Why is Deckard so weak and old?

Is there gonna be another sequel?

Really interesting suggestions and analysis there Professor.

tl;dr: You're a fucking talentless brainlet OP, stop pretending you know anything about filmmaking.

>"He comes upon a kept beehive. Harvest 10 units of honey. Achievement unlocked: pointless quest completed!" Don't our directors bother to read books anymore?

This desu. Both sicario and prisoners left me feeling nothing

In anatomy of a scene, Denis explained there was some artificial thing that they are supposed to feed from

i have only watched arrival and couldn't finish it, had to turn off and delete the torrent after 60 min. i'm on the verge of deleting my prisoners, enemy and sicario files because of it.

all i know dune is FUCKED, bros