There are exceptions of course, but it's pretty undeniable that German cinema is a shadow of its former self: it's so oversaturated with subsidiary money economically, and self-absorbed / congratulatory thematically that any creative spark is snuffed out. It has the worst of both worlds, the elitism of arthouse and the low-effort mentality of Hollywood mega studios. Sure, Wenders, Fassbender, Tykwer, Herzog and Haneke (two of whom don't even work in Germany) make something good every once in a while but once they retire there'll be nothing left. Japan and France struggle too but their decline is a blunder next to the German travesty.
I think the last good German films I've seen were Oh Boy and Zeit der Kannibalen (which nobody has seen).
I didn't enjoy Toni Erdmann. I can see the appeal, but cringe humor just doesn't click with me, to me it felt like watching an incredibly pretentious version of the office (or Stromberg, to stay in Germany).
It's sad indeed. But honestly it's not like any other 'cultural' industry is better off around here these days. Cinema sucks. Television sucks. Music all just shitty rap. Even the video game industry managed to die.
It's like anything that remotely requires creativity is doomed.
Asher Turner
>cultural industry Shoo, shoo, back to the grave, Adorno. You and your Frankfurt buddies have done enough damage.
In all honesty though, you're pretty much right. I feel like television has been getting better but can't make up for the decline in cinema. Manga's still fine as an art form, haha.
Angel Howard
>German Cinema
Robert Gonzalez
Yeah, I heard SAT1 and RTL produced some okay recently.
Oliver Gomez
The absolute state of television and film
Sebastian Cook
Redditor.
Austin Richardson
I lament the death of Germany tbqh
Zachary Brown
I blame the 1871 unification under Prussia for all of this.
Oliver Cruz
I have high hopes for pic related. What are the chances of there being torrents for it? Fuck sky, they are the worst cable company in history.
Logan Barnes
>ARD Nope.jpg
Daniel Roberts
There were only two periods of good German cinema: Weimar Republic and New German Cinema. Modern European cinema in general sucks, it's too globalized and samey. I guess this is the reason why Asian cinema became so popular in recent years.
Anthony Mitchell
Well, at least the French are still making okay things sometimes.
Michael Barnes
>He doesn't like pre-ww1 German cinema, classics like Nosferatu and Die Nibelungen
poser
Luis Russell
Adorno was right about everything though
Nicholas Jenkins
Jamaika coallition will fix it :^)
Nolan Powell
Nosferatu and Die Nibelungen are from 1920s (Weimar period).
Robert Walker
Fack ju OP
Jack Miller
GEZ needs to be terminated already.
Noah Barnes
Lola is one of the most annoying things I've ever tried to watch. Couldn't get myself to watch more than 20 minutes. Absolute dogshit.
Connor Diaz
That always has been the case in western Europe. Cinema is view by the industry as an art not a bussiness and it needs tax money to survive.
Brayden Myers
Run Lola Run should have starred Bill Murray and just been called Groundhog's Day 2
Aiden Lopez
I'm French and have the exact same feeling about our industry, or the Italians. Hollywood has swallowed us whole.
Connor Garcia
>Modern European cinema in general sucks >French cinema is underproducing >Italian cinema might as well not exist I blame the americans cranking up the budgets to infinity just because they can, and throwing their blockbusters everywhere to globalize the standards of the audiences.
Ian Brooks
Absolutely. Their tv content is so superior, it's astonishing. I think German and UK television might be the worst in all of Europe despite having dedicated tax police (license and GEMA) raking in BILLIONS of dollars. It's not even corruption, just incompetence, which makes it even more pathetic.
Asher Wright
>man laments death of culture, something unique in human history
James Peterson
Even if that is the case. Not so long ago Western Europe still made pretty cool movies.
Cooper Bailey
Eh, ups and downs. Every now and then, German cinema brings something greatly entertaining to the table (I still haven't gotten over how intense 'Das Leben der Anderen' was), but the industry itself is just not big enough. With that small sample size, fluctuations in the quality are just within normal noise levels.
There are some good co-productions out there, e.g. 'Land of Mine' comes to mind.
Josiah Cruz
The Japanese and Koreans still manage to create decent movies despite lower budgets and Hollywood bombarding everybody with blockbusters. I feel it's more of an issue with European cinema not knowing what they actually want to be. So they just wallow in mediocrity.
Angel Moore
>most popular film series of recent memory is LITERALLY called fuck you Goethe
Even through all the layers of irony, I still feel insulted. And everybody embraces it. It's like watching the cultural revolution in slow motion, except there's no Mao shouting slogans, just static noise.
Anthony Powell
What is it about?
Sebastian Morris
so that's where my cuck fee money went
Levi Rogers
Europe still makes good movies, but it feels like they lost their identity. Many films are also coproductions.
William Harris
German-Turk 'gangsta' hides money in a school, and after a while has to fake being a teacher in order to get the money. Falls in love with one of the teachers.
German rom-com. Has it's moments, but average at very best and cringes all the way through.
Lincoln Reed
Is this Germankino?
Andrew Allen
*ding ding ding*
Luke Moore
what is he pulling out of there?
Michael Davis
they still make good movies, they're just not that frequent
Christian Hall
Even with all the incompetence at least we used to get some decent historic movies like Stalingrad, Das Boot, Downfall and such. Nowadays even those stopped popping. I'm still salty that the best content about German Middle Ages out there are two fucking episodes of Die Deutschen despite how interesting the setting could be.
Samuel Johnson
It helps that France prides itself as the country of cinema, so they gotta do some good shit now and then. But it's still mostly shitty comedies, thrillers and dramas.
Carson Johnson
The real problem is the dearth of genuinely good german film directors
Adrian Robinson
Fun fact: Thousands of wealthy, creative and intellectual people are leaving the country, more than usual. I´m glad I have a bit of real estate I can sell if things get too bad here....and they will, if there isn´t a drastic change in government/politics in the next decade.
Kevin Sullivan
Give it some
Meet the German director of the future
Jaxon Perez
I'm not a nationalist, but I would like more GOOD nationalist movies based on national epics or poems. But they have to be made by competent directors, not by right-wing nuts like in Russia or Poland.
Jaxson Nelson
This movie is an anomaly of production. You can't imagine how much Gans struggled to convince French producers to fund this. And even after it was a box office hit all over Europe, he couldn't get any of his follow-up projects to get funded. It's depressing, because he tries really hard to start projects with a really specific French/European flavor (for examples: Jules Vernes, Diabolik, Fantomas...) but European producers don't want to take risks with these kind of films that don't follow an established international formula. Meanwhile Hollywood producers keep asking these young, ambitious European filmmakers whenever one emerges to go work for them, even if they would like to create specific projects, how should one feel when he's treated as a bum in his own country while Hollywood promises you dreams of huge budgets and creative freedom? It's insane. As a French cinephile who loves my country's cultural history, it makes me butthurt to see stuff like Planet of the Apes which is based on a French author, or Mad Max Fury Road, Snowpiercer or Blade Runner, which are derivative of French sci-fi comic books like Métal Hurlant, but our producers are unwilling to recognize that ambitious genre fiction is part of our legacy, and it takes foreign industries to adapt such material.
Lucas Barnes
fucking retard, kek
Ayden Taylor
>Fuck you, Goethe >Turkish German director It's probably just a dumb comedy, but it's still insulting.
Logan Cruz
The problem with German cultural life in general is that the Nazis killed off the old one, replaced it with their version, the Allies then killed off the Nazi version but didn't bother replacing it, so the vacuum was never really filled, just partly through American cultural produce.
Wyatt Mitchell
right now without using google or bing or whatever the fuck you normies use >name 3 important german directors >name 5 important german films that did something for either german cinema or cinema in general >name 6 renonwed german actors, can be male or female.
fuck germany and fuck europe in general, but especially fuck sweden. what the fuck is up with swedes that everything they produce is absolute fucking garbage. I bet bergman is rolling in his grave right now seeing the absolute state of sverike
as a German I can tell you that our entire entertainment industry is just fucked to shit. I don't really know why that is the case when japan is doing just fine even though they also got fucked to shit in WW2 and have old people out of their ass everywhere
Xavier Cox
>Die Deutschen >"Wer sind wir?" >"Woher kommen wir?"
Get a little dust in my eye every time. I wish patriotism was allowed outisde of Fussball WM. That image of Merkel hiding the German flag at that press conference makes us look like a laughing stock.
Jaxson Myers
>GeRmAn cInEmA iS DeAd
Levi Roberts
what are you talking about?
that movie was released just a year ago, and that was one of the best german films of the last, I don't know, 30 past years?
Big budget European film productions will be dead for at least a decade.
Jackson Rogers
irony aside this is just a cheap copy of one of these french ethno "comedies" they churn out by the dozens every year, you know like the one where the right wing dude's daughters all marry non-whites, even the poster looks like these.
Alexander Rogers
play this game with any european country besides France
Evan Jenkins
at the very least japan still produces weeb shit, have you seen what children programming in germany looks like? they just import bad CGI remakes of classic series from france and call it a day.
Brody Adams
I liked the first season intro desu. Second one went a bit overboard with three characters in a row yelling for democracy, for freedom and for the republic one after the other.
Oliver Hall
Hi /lit/, what have sou been reading today? I just started journey to the end of the night, loving satiric tone.
Tyler Reyes
it's funny how it's the movies that had it difficult finding a production company to fund it that succeeds the most
John Reyes
I bet Merkel is behind this as well.
David Cook
besides france, italy, spain and maybe the UK if I'm being generous. I refuse to give any credits to the bullshit romanian cinema keeps pumping out. fuck that too.
Jackson Ross
It doesn't help that instead of producing something like District 9 which costed about 30-40 millions they go for the super expensive 200millions budget.
Parker Gutierrez
It's a resurgence of the Heimatfilm in the guise of comedy. Not neccessarily a bad thing, but let's not kid ourselves, it's just shallow enterntainment, not genuine filmmaking.
Hunter Hill
Working my way through Hypnerotomachia. How's the whining going?
Alexander Howard
>you know like the one where the right wing dude's daughters all marry non-whites source? I want to watch this.
Carson Parker
What's your plan B? Switzerland? Eastern Europe? Canada?
Adrian Thomas
Like every second big movie is pro refugee propaganda now JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP SENPAI
Wyatt Ortiz
>several decades of bonkers comic books to chose from >movie adaptation of the Incal or Les Cités Obscures >N E V E R It would be so wierd there's no way it could work and that's the point Also, what the shit happened to french animation? We used to be pretty good at that too.
Alexander Green
Don't bother, it's trash and not even "so bad it's good".
Jonathan Taylor
I've heard good things about Phoenix (Christian Petzold).
Ethan Johnson
nevermind, I found it
fucking french cucks
Lucas Reed
What about it? Whenever I see cartoons on tv it's either American, Japanese or French productions.
Charles Jenkins
French animation is still pretty good.
Lucas Nguyen
The Brits still have a decent output. I mean you can count stuff like pic related as Brit films yes?
Hudson Richardson
Germany is dead. What is "german" culture? beer? It's just some shitty "german" version of American culture now (plus a healthy serving of third worlders (but that is part of American culture too I guess)).
>Claude Verneuil, a Gaullist notary, and his wife Marie, a Catholic bourgeois from Chinon, are parents of four daughters: Isabelle, Odile, Ségolène, and Laure. The three eldest are already married to men, each one of a different religion and a different ethnic origin: Isabelle married Rashid Ben Assem, an Algerian Muslim lawyer, Odile married David Benichou, a Sephardi Jew entrepreneur, and Ségolène married Chao Ling, a Han Chinese banker who is open to all religious beliefs. >On the first meeting, however, they are shocked when they discover that the man to whom their daughter is engaged is a West African from the Ivory Coast. They really went all in with that one
Cooper Hall
THIS It's infuriating to no end to see retards now praising the nazis for "protecting culture" when all they did was burn books and painting, ban plays and movies they didn't like (sometimes destroying some movies too) and submit cultural production to strict censorship based on everchanging standards of purity. And the void hasn't really been filled ever since as the german artists and intellectual largely left for the USA.
Carson Clark
and they gave the swedes the bad rap lmao
Brayden Evans
*blocks everyone's path*
Brayden Williams
>It's just some shitty "german" version of American culture now Most of the world is like that.
Asher Powell
>Clavier At least he didn't end like Depardieu.
Blake Baker
the nazis produced some real kino though
Ian Scott
A year or so ago, there was a comedy about a lefty intellectual ending up "welcoming refugees" in his expensive property after saying on TV everyone (else) should do so. It has been universally paned, but I wonder if it's because it's just shit or if it's because "muh racism and xenophobia" or maybe because it hit too close to home for the people usually reviewing our films
Isaiah Green
Nazi cinema was a shadow of Weimar cinema.
Levi Lewis
Well, just passing the time, you know. Plenty fellow whinners here tonight. Attempting a serious discussion or some kind of effort on Sup Forums is pointless, anyway. Wouldn't know where to go in real life either. Maybe Uni used to be the place, but not anymore. I've grown content with escapsim.
James Morgan
Something like that. I´ll have to wait and see. Living here is just incredibly frustrating right now. I can´t imagine starting a family here. The funny thing is, most germans who praise our beer just drink the shittiest, watered-down pisswater available.
Jacob Russell
The point was that the Nazis produced their own form of culture. Whether or not you agree with it doesn't really matter. What came after them is the big nothing though.
Dominic Richardson
are you talking about this? > A well-off Munich family offers boarding to a refugee. Diallo from Nigeria soon makes friends among the family members, but they are tested when they have to face racism, bureaucracy and terror suspicions because of him.
it has similiar plot
Luke Garcia
Maybe in shitholes like Berlin. Still bretty alive here down South.
Josiah Edwards
No, New German Cinema was better in every way than what the Nazis produced. And there was definitely West and East German culture.
Sebastian Robinson
Never forget.
Angel James
I haven't seen a german movie since Das Boot (which was godly), have I missed anything ?
Hudson Hughes
Not if you believe in auteur theory. And Noaln most definitely seems himself as an auteur with all his ramblings about Kubrick and the silent era. So no, not really.
Bentley Bailey
are they still making asterix live action films? I feel like they can't do shit like this nowadays with current political climate.
Adam Carter
Best film I've seen this year was a French-German collab mostly set in Germany, Frantz (2016).