Kamala baby, I love you but I hate what Marvel's doing to you.
Seriously, it's only been three years and she's already been on like three teams and is in the middle of the biggest events. I really get that Marvel probably wants to push the only success out of that whole All New Marvel thing but holy shit, not even Spider-Man went this fast
Dominic White
What's worse, being spread too thin over multiple books or slowly getting phased out of your own book?
Isaiah Ross
It's like Icarus but this time the father is dragging his son too close to the sun
Nolan Garcia
But that would've been Fine if the main writer on her book wasn't such shit. People need to stop blaming marvel or bendis for the work of a single hack.
Robert Flores
>People need to stop blaming marvel or bendis for the work of a single hack. Good dog.
Liam Lopez
It seemed fine to me until Civil War 2: Minority Report Boogaloo.
Josiah Edwards
Kamala and Robbie deserve their own universe.
Hell, I would like them to be creator owned and go to omething like Drak Horse, but they are too much conected to other Marvel characters for something like this actualy work.
Charles Harris
problem with kamala is , she has to go back.
Jacob Ramirez
Bendis IS bad but he didn't write ms marvel you autistic idiot. ...those issues barely had anything to do with the main series. It was a plot created by the ms marvel book. Therefore the writer is guilty.
Jack Richardson
I wouldn't mind something like that. Either that or put them in a city/location that is far away from most of the usual Marvel cities. Have them build up their own communities and only have other heroes around occasionally once in a blue moon.
Joseph Thompson
>I want another dime!
Asher Torres
>the writer is guilty That's not how it works. Having Kamala do her own thing utterly separate from the events of Civil War 2 and yet be labeled Civil War 2 would have been ludicrous.
Nolan Edwards
If Ewing can work a good plot out of CW2 and clean up Bendis's continuity, then at very least will should be able to not fall completely apart. It was willow that did all that stupid shit with Hyjinx being innocent even though he undeniably breaking the law and Bruno being pant on head retarded. Besides cw2 had nothing to do with the shitty vote chapter or this internet bullying one.
Jayden Sanchez
why are we blaming bendis when this problem is entirely waid's fault?
Joseph Howard
>Marvel dindu noffin >it was all that evil Muslim woman's fault
Eli Cruz
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Evan Morgan
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Matthew Watson
You're in denial.
Robert Cruz
Keep sucking.
John Bell
Nobody is sucking anything. Nobody is saying that bendis is a good writer or that CWII was okay. But you cant blame him for the ms marvel issues, specially when other books had amazing tie ins. Stop being a fanboy.
Tyler Jenkins
This is the trap of minority heroes Under anyone less competent, the minority part will get played up
Christopher Turner
You mean the writer that made her popular in the first place?
Brody Hernandez
>backpedaling Like clockwork.
Ryder Morgan
>once a writer writes something good their quality can never decline Oh god somebody better let Waid and Lemire know.
Jose Rodriguez
Someday she'll get pregant with Mephisto's child or something like that and then she'll get killed just to come back as a new character.
Josiah Reed
>Everybody complains about Waid mentioning the jonas brothers >Willow references Leroy Jenkins last chapter and that is from fucking 2005
Alexander Myers
She created her, user.
Christian Bennett
>comic drops in quality after getting dragged through 3 events
Wow yeah, that's totally Wilson's fault.
Adam Young
One event, Volume two didn't tie into anything besides CW2. You can't blame events that didn't even get referenced in her book.
Slott created Silk
Chase Hernandez
Well I heard that her sales recently BOMBED, so Marlel might slow down with her brand expansion.
Jordan Lewis
wanna know why she sucks and her comic sucks? forced muslim propoganda.
Ayden Peterson
>the editors are not to blame for the lack of quality, ever!
Aiden Ross
Her book was really well written until it was forced to warp it's narrative around Bendis' shitty event ideas.
Your objectively wrong, Bendis actually is to blame in this case.
Zachary Flores
Spread too thin in this case...Kamala had a distinct voice in her own book and now she's being written by multiple writers. Had she had more time to develop on her own then things might be good but she's been turned into a mouthpiece and lost what made her cool. Mind you, I liked her up until Avengers & CWII & Champions. She should have been left alone.
Marvel is the SJW of the industry and they turned Kamala into a "whore" for their voice. What does that say about Marvel? It's all "hey, let's use a minority to push our views" instead of letting the character grow organically.
When's the next East Of West come out?
Oliver Reed
>ever! >implying Nobody said it never happens, It just doesn't have anything to do with it in this scenario. Might as well blame clone conspiracy for her decline if your going to blame events that didn't effect her book.
Isaac Edwards
>backpedaling again
Isaiah King
Kamala means horrible in my language
Logan Ross
Where did I say that it never editorial fault?
Levi Moore
Qué mala = How bad Quémala = Burn her
Nicholas Rogers
>How bad "How mean", I would translate it as.
Kevin Butler
Both are right. Also "how evil".
Ryan Nelson
But is fun to blame Bendis.
Juan Morales
Sana Amanat and to some extent G. Willow Wilson should have talked to other writers and if necessary put their foot down regarding Kamala's characterization.
Juan Green
>Marvel do this big diversity push. BLACK SPIDERMAN FEMALE THOR MUSLIM MISS MARVEL >most of the characters are shit or suffer from shit writing >yet, Kamala is a diamond in the rough and probably one of their better female characters overall >MCU is still going to use shit Carol for the movie
why
Carson Foster
Because the only female hero in the MCU that's on Earth is Black Widow. Not that'd I'd mind a movie about a cute, gunslinging Black Widow fangirl, but I doubt it's what Marvel or Disney would go for.
Ethan Butler
I WANT TO KISS KAMALA!
Justin Campbell
>I personally think that they had this easy access character, that you only needed to read her book and you were good (and the first round of Ms Marvel as Kamala was great) but then after Secret Wars they added her in several series increasing the entry barrier and I think most people reading Ms Marvel were actually new readers and they got kicked in the balls by Marvel telling them that they needed to read shit ton of tie ins to keep reading about her.
Is he right? did including Ms Marvel in multiple books cause newer readers who were only reading Ms Marvel and no other Marvel books to drop it because they didn't like the prospect of having to keep up with cross book continuity and tie ins?
Josiah Howard
Kiss your screen.
Connor Harris
No. The issue with Marvel sticking Kamala in other books is that it clashed with the concept of Kamala as a street level hero dealing with low-level shit mostly unconnected to the greater goings-on of the MU. It's like when DC tries to pull the "Batman is an urban legend" schtick while he's appearing in four solo titles, two teambooks, and a handful of crossovers per month.
Carson Taylor
>tfw Robbie specifically refused to give Laura and Cho his real name during their team up Feels good knowing Marvel still has at least one real "street" level character left. In terms of the way he operates the guy's powerlevel is busted relative to his setting.
Zachary Cruz
I don't read Kamala in anything outside of her own book. Am I missing out on anything?
Isaac Cook
You know how people sometimes decry Ms. Marvel as a tumblr SJW book, even though she's a hundred times more complex and interesting than they give her credit?
Mark Waid's Champions, and how he writes Kamala, basically is that. And now she's going to be in some shitty Inhumans team-up book.
Evan Ortiz
>what Marvel's doing to you.
One of the things about Kamala that everyone praised is the consistent vision behind the book bc of G Willow Wilson
Josiah Perez
I feel bad for Kamala. So much potential lost.
Chase Powell
Leroy does get mentioned every now and then, especially in online stuff. Jonas Brothers stopped being a thing 3 years ago. Whats the punch line group now?
Elijah Morgan
This. Sup Forums lets Wilson get away with all kinds of bullshit just because first few msm issues were fun.
Anthony Howard
one direction.
Juan Ross
How is Ms. Marvel in her solo, Champions, IvX and the new Inhumans book at the same time?
Oh and she was in Civil War II somehow
David Reyes
Only a matter of time
Alexander Brooks
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Tyler Ross
If you want to create a superhero and not have her story interrupted by company events, you need to go indie.
Andrew Stewart
>How do you do fellow kids! World of warcraft anyone? The spice must flow, am I rite?
For a repulsive pretentious walrus, she sure sounds like a normie.
Liam Butler
>Her solo book is shit for almost a year already. >No Bendis nor Waid have any relation with the solo. >Kamalafags blame them anyway.
How about blame the writer?
"B-but she is her creat-"
It doesn't matter. From the creator or not, shitty stories are shitty stories.
Angel Perry
Spider-Man and Wolverine taught her the secret of multi-presence.
Michael Russell
Alphona's the best artist on the book and he's barely in it anymore.
Oliver Bennett
Wilson signed the contract saying Marvel can do whatever they want with Kamala without her say-so. There's nothing she or Amanat can do, period.
Liam Perry
I think people only like Alphona for the Where's Waldo-styled visual gags used. His actual style is a bit too weak and scribbly for my liking.
At this point, he's pretty much gone for good and Miyazawa's become the main artist.
Jace Wilson
I gotta admit I liked the gags, and they pretty much became apart of the story with miyazawa throwing in few too.
Dylan Roberts
I much prefer Alphona. Miyazawa's good but I actually like the scribbly roughness of Alphona. I also feel Alphona's work is far more emotive and fun to read.
Brody Nguyen
>i agnry >i rip
Kevin Moore
do you agree with this question, kamala not such a great character by herself rather she was lucky enough to be really well written, and all the other new characters who have come and gone would have been received just as favorably had they got a great first run like hers.
Henry Jenkins
I'm talking entirely about how other writers present her, not that they use her. Office politics can get you pretty far, and it's not like Marvel is going to risk the backlash of getting two Muslim women pulled off a solo book about a Muslim superhero for the benefit of a white guy.
"Great character" is a meaningless descriptor.
Juan Powell
There's no such thing as an inherently bad character, same as there isn't such thing as an inherently good character. It all depends on the writer
John Gutierrez
Just stick with her own book. No one else can seem to write her competently and in-character.
Blake Thomas
>Just stick with her own book. Her own book is part of the problem right now.
Lincoln Torres
Right now, it's more concerned with Kamala fighting a deranged cyber-bully than anything else.
Henry Sanchez
Too bad he's a guest star in his own damn book.
I really, really want Robbie to succeed but it's tough going when he's getting sidelined by guest crossovers in the first arc of his latest ongoing.
Grayson Diaz
I love Alphona's gags, but I like his art in general as well. However, like Ross Campbell, I think he's only a good fit some of the time.
He worked really well with Ms Marvel, but I've seen him on some other books and I wasn't as keen on his art then.
Dominic Wright
I never understood why heroes share their identities?
Oliver Phillips
Because Marvel has recently made their universe SUPER integrated and overlapping. Few heroes have distinct rogue galleries or personal mythos anymore. Everything is shared to the point of uniformity everything is fucking boring. Nobody has a proper not-superhuman cast anymore. Nobody has a secret identity anymore. Nobody has a dedicated stable of villains anymore. It's just cape characters on a first name basis with other cape characters fighting each other.
Brayden Wood
i don't care if Kamala's books are good, I just want her to be more popular so there can be more r34 fan art
Oliver Cook
Yes little raghead cry
Cry cry cry
So much injustice that a broken immigration system gets halted 100 days for much needed tweaks
Even more so that Muslims from Egypt and UAE didn't get blocked because they're not from third world shitholes laden with extremists and warmongers
So sad ;_; #notmypresident
Andrew Gomez
Oops wrong pic
Angel Peterson
I kinda liked her in the Avengers Assemble CW event. I mean, everyone is flanderised to hell and back, but her basic beats are there. And her fighting Hulk and geeking out at everyone was just too cute, without being super overplayed. That scene with her complimenting the shackled Thor was pretty dope. That lightning was as subtly threatening as lightning gets, I guess.
Connor Evans
I don't think Dust is the type to go cry or get deported. She's far too coarse and rough and irritated and gets everywhere.
Thomas Butler
Not a comic reader, but interested in how a Muslim woman hero is so well loved on Sup Forums.
Is Kamala actually a good character?
Hudson Davis
She's cute and for the first year or two wasn't bogged down by tons of drama.
Colton Anderson
That's what happens when you have a writer with an idea what she's doing and a free hand to go places. The first volume stands basically as self-contained for 19 issues. Give it a read.