Just watched this after keeping it on my backlog for ages

just watched this after keeping it on my backlog for ages
god damn, someone should just take this movie and cut out 30-40 minutes here and there and it would actually improve about 1-2 points/10

also, bond general I guess

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Literally everything from Blofeld's base blowing up onward is trash, but up to that point I thought the movie was pretty solid.

The Bond girl was top tier

We can all agree that Bond vs Hinx was fightkino, right?

If they had Batista defeat Bond on the train and just bring him to the base 10 minutes could have been cut. It would allow for a rematch at the end and make Spectre a more legitimate threat.

Why did the desert base not have proper fire safety regulations? It was guarded by men with automatic weapons, yet a single stray bullet was enough to destroy the whole thing. Seems awfully convenient.

worst Bond movie for me

on par with season 4's Sherlock in terms of worst fucking writing in a series ever

The movie is a mess, and probably one of the worst Bond movies ever; they had a big budget, a solid cast, and they still fucked it up.

The ham-handed "nine-eyes" plot was a desperate topical reference. Also "omg Bond and Blofeld are brothers was typical and lazy "we're out of ideas and we need to tie this together"

"Okay Mr. Bond, I'm going to put this needle in your head with a precision machine and you're going to be retarded forever." He does it, and "lol Blofeld I'm fine" WTF?

Bond shoots down an airborne fucking helicopter with a .380 pistol from 100yds+ away while on a moving boat. I know it's a Bond movie, and he makes unbelievable shots all the time, but really? They didn't have enough money in the budget to put a missile launcher on the boat they escaped in?

They used Monica Belucci for about 5min of total screentime, Christoph Waltz was used way less than he should have been as well.

Seydoux was good though, Bautista was surprisingly fantastic, and the scene with Mr. White in the Cabin was probably one of the best in the series. Still couldn't save thos fucking trainwreck.

They need to send Craig off with a good one. He's got one more in his contract. He's one of the best Bond's and Spectre didn't do him justice.

>They need to send Craig off with a good one. He's got one more in his contract. He's one of the best Bond's and Spectre didn't do him justice.

Spectre destroyed the Craig series in the same way the Legion destroyed the entire series with the final episode.

They'll have to retcon Spectre out of existence.

The movie started out really strong in Mexico; great opening. It just slowly broke apart from there.

What makes it so bad is that they had all of the tools to make one of the best Bond movies ever, but they didn't even come close. How the fuck do you make a Christoph Waltz villain role so unmemorable?

Forgot to mention that specifically. One of the best Bond fights.

Hopefully they can the last writing team, and hire some new ones, and the Studio allows them to take their time on a good script.

Seydoux would have to be killed off, or just straight up never mentioned again like every other Bond girl ever. I'd be tempted to have Waltz back to actually give his character a chance in a good script, but I think it would fall apart.

The script failed because it tried to hap-hazardly string everything together. Continuity has never really been done from one Bond film to the other, and never needed to be. Except with Quantum and Spectre, which both kind of sucked.

So maybe it's better to just leave Blofeld out of the picture, never mention Seydoux again, and just make a solid action thriller like any of the other great bond movies where he get's a ridiculously conspicuous british sportscar, destroys it, fucks a few European hotties, kills the badguy with the scar, bob's your uncle, roll credits "James Bond Will Return"

can they get Martin Campbell back?
he directed two of the best Bond movies
Goldeneye and Casino Royale

So you're mad that a Bond film has:
>Semi-forced plot used to relate to modern audiences
>Villain with a direct connection to Bond
>Bond stupidly escaping sudden death/injury
>Bond doing crazy shit with guns
>Bond girls existing for sex appeal only

Where have you been since like 1962?

I'm really hoping they do. But if the script is shit, there's not much Campbell could do, is there? How much could the director actually do in that case?

They need screenwriters that aren't lazy and use long-worn-out-and-overdone ideas.

It was just so fucking ham-handed. Yes, every Bond movie does all of that shit, but none of it in Spectre felt natural.

Skyfall wasn't that good, and is an offender of everything on your list. but it was strung together properly, and when it ended, it felt satisfying. Even with it's cheeseball dialogue and the fact that bond fell double the height of the golden gate bridge into a river and lived.

Spectre's plot sloppily clawed it's way through every aspect of the plot. It was strained and sloppy. It should have and could have been done better with everything they had to make it.

The execution of everything in Spectre was shit, is the difference.

Many of the scenes were downright retarded e.g. brain torture with zero consequences, every fart that was blown into Bond's face in all of the previous movies was ''part of a great evil plan'', the contrived family connection and how Bond and Blofeld are literally opposite sides of a coin; even if it is from the books, it's clichéd and they should've not used it, the haunted house finale (and just imagine the pathetic scene that must've took place of Blofeld organizing all that stuff off-screen) with the convenient escape hole, the manner of how the helicopter was downed - and how easy it was to prevent it from happening; literally fuck off to any other direction over the city and they would've escaped, etc. etc.

It was a bad fucking movie all the way.

>can they get Martin Campbell back?
This. It saddens me that we'll never have another great Bond movie with Craig, Campbell and David Arnold as the composer.

>yfw 25 is going to be bondkino

How did they destroy half a train and still be let off at their next stop like nothing happened?

Based Denis

Is Dennis directing it?
guaranteed to have at least one female strangulation scene

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It was more when bond and that chick went to that hotel is when it was done for, for me

how did the PPK become the kino weapon of choice?

I'm so dissapointed we won't see Nolan directing Daniel Craig's final bond film.

Would be the utmost kino.

It's bond in a nutshell; european, sleek, practical. But it's also kind of old fashioned. Yet it still gets the job done.

If you're asking literally how it fell into the bond canon:

Bond originally carried a Beretta 418. Some guy named Boothroyd wrote to Ian Fleming that it was a bad choice, "it's a lady's gun, and not a very nice lady at that"

He suggested the PPK, and Fleming agreed, and wrote in the change. The rest is history. It was a perfect choice, really.

>Beretta 418

lol, I can see why

This is such a forgettable film for me. I only watched it about a year ago and I can honestly not remember anything other than the Mexican festival at the start and that Christopher Waltz was the bad guy and also the mastermind responsible for everything that happened in the Daniel Craig Bond films.

Compare that to Skyfall, which I've also only seen once, years ago, and I still remember the plot and just about every scene.
What happened?

Skyfall was better.

im kinda bored of bond desu

what else can they even do at this point?

Am i the only one that likes Quantum of Solace? I feel it gets undeserved hate.

Skyfall was average, spectre was shit.

Casino Royale is kino also

Top bonds per actor

Connery-Goldfinger

Moore- Golden Gun

Dalton- license to kill

Brosnan- Die another day

Craig- Skyfall

I wouldn't say I liked it. It's kind of forgettable, but it wasn't shit.

Spectre was shit. Casino Royale is the best. Skyfall is really good, but also massively overrated.

The first 2/3 of spectre was good

The only bond movies i like are casino royale and quantum of solace and i watch them in sequence

There are fanedits that do just this.
Hell, one guy took off only 10 and changed that faggot song to some Bjork weirdness and the movie went from a 4 to an 8.

Connery: Goldfinger

Lazenby: he only had OHMSS, which sucked imo.

Moore: For Your Eyes Only

Dalton: License to Kill

Brosnan: Goldeneye

Craig: Casino Royale.


IMO. I hated Die Another Day; like Spectre, it felt contrived. Also it has the worst theme song out of any Bond Movie. Also Wind surfing CGI

>people bitch about Craig's Bond movies "not being classic Bond enough"
>they make a Craig Bond film with all the classic Bond tropes/cliches
>people hate it

what do people want?

>Do you expect me to talk?
>No, Mr. Bond. I expect you to be a big guy for you

Skyfall did it fine. Spectre's writing was just crappy.

Radiohead did a song for spectre you can get, but they went with male adele instead

>Lazenby: he only had OHMSS, which sucked imo.


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Zelda cycle

that's like american babby's first pistol

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And Skyfall was arguably the most subversive Bond film ever made.

the fucking villain literally wins at the end.

But it did suck, just cause Nolan said he was inspired by it ok inception doesn't make it good

Like QoS, it was a huge mess and, even though it had a good cast, they were underused, especially Waltz and Monica Bellucci.

>Legion destroyed the entire series with the final episode
Elaborate.

reminds me of splintercell

Skyfall > Casino Royale

It's unfair that it had to come out after Skyfall. I liked it, but I saw it on Netflix in my living room. I'd probably be less kind on it if I'd paid money for it and actually gone out of my way to see it in a cinema.
It's a fucking beautiful movie, at least. The cinematography is excellent. All the little good bits and all the obvious effort make the messy end product all the more frustrating.

Lets face it; it's been the same base plot since the 60's.

>gun barrel sequence. Opens to Bond on a mission that connects to a later mission
>credits, theme song with silhouettes of naked women
>bond we have a mission for you; find this bad guy with a scar. Here are some gadgets and a really expensive car that doesn't blend in that you'll inevitably destroy.
>bond goes to exotic place. Tracks guy, investigates. Meets a villainess and some other female who is connected to the bad guy but is good and will help him complete his mission. Fucks them both at different points.
>blows his cover. Placed in an overly-elaborate and easily escapable death trap. He gets out of it with a gadget.
>kills bad guy creatively, delivers one liner
>goes home, fucks girl, roll closing credits.

But it's still good after all of these years. People still love it because Bond's character is so interesting, and we never really know everything about him. So wr want to keep watching. Each actor brings something new.

Casino Royale was so good because we got something different; we got to know bond better, but there was still an air of mystery. The plot didn't really on old gimmicks. Bond had more realism, but he was still Bond.

But I don't know where they can really go after Craig.

Skyfall managed to play on the legacy of the franchise while still doing something kind of fresh with it as well, though it's more 'typical' in setup and structure than Casino Royale was.
The franchise is going to be left in a weird place if the last Craig movie doesn't finish his run strongly, and/or if his replacement doesn't get backed up with another new creative direction for the IP.

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