Has the DCEU been saved?

Has the DCEU been saved?

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Satan can't be saved.

The DCEU is more damned than ever.

The childrens' toy spinoff is going to be better received and make more money than Hack Snyder's SERIOUS ART films and this time they can't blame Disney or Marvelcucks.

>Reviews counted: 7

It's ASBAR but completed, of course it's great

That's because it still haven't out yet outside of the premiere screening.

>mfw already half the reviews bring up Batman v Superman

Le fun strategy works
some1 call Zack in the JL editing bay

>this time they can't blame Disney or Marvelcucks
>implying they won't find a way to blame them anyways

>DCEU

Nigga, this will be good because it ISN'T on the DCEU. They will probably make fun of it, considering the "Superman is my favorite bad guy to fight" scene.

>Has the DCEU been saved?
More like the Legoverse BTFOs the DCEU

I just want to say, that I am really pulling for this movie to out-gross and be better critically the previous (and future honestly) DCEU movies.

You might think that's not possible, but remember Secret Life of Pets beat BvS so why not?

Secret Life of Pets? Really? That's probably the most mundane movie I've ever seen in my life.

Damn I wanted this to flop too
If lego batman is good we'll end up with even more batman shit

But superman is his favoritr bad guy

> ending just a giant WB wankfest

Will Arnett is a perfect comedy Batman.

that's LCU not DCEU.

>Wanting Lego anything to flop
What?

he probably stepped on lego as a kid.

barefoot

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dialy remember

But Lego Batman is not part of the DCEU.

>marvel has stayed in the spotlight for far too long
>this has caused a shift in the preferences of the people over the years
>your everyday joe does no longer take the time to appreciate a good work of art
>instead he has have grown accustomed to children's entertainment riddled with simple plots and dialogue plus fast-paced action that is so reminiscent of Marvel's products
>this is worrying indeed for the future of aspiring directors on the hunt for more than a quick profit

Isn't this part of the Lego Extended Universe?

>Implying the DCEU isn't the same low-test schlock that capeshit has always been, just peppered with some low effort symbolism to make it seem deeper than it actually is.

>we're the bad guys! It's what we do.
>Honka Honka!
So deep. It's truly a work of art ahead of it's time.

That's the joke

I saw it today. It's very good. A nice combo of insane Lego Movie-style humor and a tongue-in-cheek love letter to all Batman eras.

"My name is Richard Grayson, but my buddies at the orphanage call me Dick."
"Kids can be so cruel."

>7 reviews

Oh, my bad. It's sometimes hard to tell when people are serious and when they're trolling.

WB is so reactionary that I could see them fast tracking a whole bunch of Lego DC movies and putting the Live action stuff in the back seat. I wouldn't mind at all.

>BvS lost to a half-assed Toy Story ripoff

How the fuck does Illumination Entertainment keep making so much money? I have not seen one film from them that's better than "okay".

You did it. You actually fucking did it, I'm so proud of you Sup Forums shitposter

They're meme marketing geniuses who could sell ice in a snowstorm.

I genuinely can't wait for the multiple ongoing threads about people discussing how a tv show would work and coming up with a multitude of episode synopsis's like what happened right after the first Lego Movie.

Yes, I'm aware that's a little autistic.

DC has only itself to blame, took among the most iconic villains of the superhero genre and made him a methed out Ace Ventura.

But once the first 5 reviews come out, the rest of the critics follow suit. This your first time in a RT thread?

Snyder's extremely convoluted plan worked. Now critics will be seen as hypocrites if they say JL is bad, since all they wanted was a lighter tone and jokes. It's over for them. Not only has Zack Snyder paved the way for better films, he also tricked people into liking movies that would have been considered "cheesy" had BvS never came out.

>Now critics will be seen as hypocrites if they say JL is bad, since all they wanted was a lighter tone and jokes. It's over for them.


Snydercucks are always funny because they think that there is a formula for good writing, without caring about EXECUTION.

BvS only made about a million less, so when you factor in the extra family movie cash, company war fanboys who choose to never watch a DC movie, people who only watch movies with positive RT scores and claim to have "taste," and people who fell for the anti-BvS memes, it's not really that surprising, BvS made money despite everything else going against it.

>they think that there is a formula for good writing, without caring about EXECUTION.
Whether a movie is good or not has no bearing on the critical score. It's all about manipulating critics to be on your side.

Snyder's DC films have been executed well, but that doesn't matter at all to a critic. There wasn't a single bad scene in BvS.

I guess Michael Bay's a cinematic genius then.

>every scene with Lex
>MARTHA!!!

Fuck dude I haven't seen the movie since release and I can still remember how shitty the movie was. I was conflicted/guiltily enjoyed Man of Steel, but BvS was ass.

You can smear shit on a canvas and call it art but I'm not going to pay to see it. Art is one of those things that is so hard to define so asshats use it as an excuse when their finished product is shit.

>Mass Effect 3's 'artistic integrity'
>all these people on Sup Forums proclaiming that DCEU movies don't have a single bad scene.

Let's be honest for a moment, we're dealing with comic book characters. It won't be high class art.

>every scene with Lex
>MARTHA!!!

No nerd has managed to name what's bad with those scenes. Their complaints boil down to that they're silly.

The Martha scene in particular is offensive because it's complete comic book logic, which nerds ironically hate.

So, what is the general consensus? Is it good?

Lex scenes and Martha were great so you just gave up.

>Let's be honest for a moment, we're dealing with comic book characters. It won't be high class art.
You're the reason Snyder made the movie in first place. And he succeeded, but you're too prideful to admit being wrong.

>No nerd has managed to name what's bad with those scenes.
Except for the huge swathes of people who have done just that either in the archives, on youtube, on reddit, tumblr, imbd, RT, etc. who have voiced their dissatisfaction at both Lex's performance and the Martha scene.

It's just that Snyderfags ignore any and all criticism while plugging their ears and going "muh kino" like this chode while ironically shitting on the MCU for basically the same problems without detecting the slightest hint of irony.

>Except for the huge swathes of people who have done just that either in the archives, on youtube, on reddit, tumblr, imbd, RT, etc.
Go ahead and post one. Guaranteed that they will criticize it without saying why other than a vague reason like "it's bad" or "it sucks."

Truth is, they're great scenes.

>Lex scenes and Martha were great so you just gave up.

Don't spend it all in one place now.

>There wasn't a single bad scene in BvS.

did what? this?

The short answer boils down to execution.

Batman had just spend ten minutes fighting against a being who can be thrown through a building without being harmed and has him dead to rights, only to stop murdering him because he says "save Martha" and Lois comes in to explain that that's the name of his mother.

To say nothing on how Batman was caught off-guard by something that a cursory background check could've uncovered, it feels really forced that Batman would suddenly be willing to work with a deadly alien threat just because he just so happened to say just the right word to pacify Batman enough to where he'd be willing to work with him.

Now, this scene could've worked if Batman found out Superman's mother's name early on yet still decided to go after him, only to stop once Lois reveals that Superman only fought him to save his mother but as it stands, it just makes it seem as though the movie was rushing towards the Doomsday fight.

cont. Lex's performance wasn't necessarily terrible but comparing comparing him to other adaptations is like comparing night to day.

Lex in the comics, the movies, the animated series, etc. is a suave, calculating, charismatic businessman who keeps Superman on his toes by taking advantage of the law and his wealth to come across as the philanthropist rather than a criminal mastermind who has orchestrated several heinous crimes over the years, such as the revival of Darkseid in JLU and causing hundreds of people to fall out of the sky in the original 52 series.

Lex in BvS on the other hand is just plain nutso. He's always twitching and moving about like a bunny who got a hold of some espresso, he does odd things like shoving jolly ranchers into people's mouths or delivering piss in jars to people, and overall his endgame was pretty poorly thought out considering Doomsday could've easily destroyed him and the planet if Supes didn't put him down.

THIS WAS SUPPOSE TO FAIL!

Actually it just proves that Schumacher's Batman & Robin would've been the hottest thing since jalapeno enemas if it were released today.

>ask the kids if they care!

it will be better received but it won't make more money, let's not kid ourselves

I mean maybe f you consider BvS's massive budget it'll turn a bigger profit though

It's not part of the DCEU, it's part of the DC Animated Elseworld Universe, not to be mistaken with the New 52 Animated Movie Verse (JL War, Bad Blood, Son of Batman)

Nobody ever believed it would fail.

don't be mean

It could probably work with a little less campiness. Keep Arnold's puns in because that shit was hilarious.

it's fine bro everyone knows it's success is because WB/DC had nothing to do with it it's all Lego

>There wasn't a single bad scene in BvS
Your right, just bad kino

I remember being skeptical of Arnold as Mr Freeze.

Weird how he turned out to be the most enjoyable part of it.

>BvS made money despite everything else going against it.

BvS made a lot of gross, but very little profit, though I mostly blame it having a pretty ridiculous budget.

General audiences: We enjoy DC movies

Movie critics and Marvel bitches: *autistic screeching*

>THIS WAS SUPPOSE TO FAIL!
No, it wasn't. You're strawmanning a person that doesn't exist.

Proof?

thinking most of BvS's money wasn't from neckbeards seeing it multiple times even though they knew it sucked in a sad attempt to justify their hatred of Marvel movies

>Zack Snyder: general audiences enjoy my movies

>general audiences, movie critics, and marvel bitches: *autistic screeching*

Biggest problem is that you only see the scene on the surface level and don't bother to think more about WHY Batman did what he did. Saying Martha stunned him temporarily, but finding out that it was his mother made him realize two things:
1) Superman has a human aspect to him and therefore
2) He is an innocent man who deserves to be treated just as any other innocent man.

>Now, this scene could've worked if Batman found out Superman's mother's name early on yet still decided to go after him
No, it would have made the scene bad.

>Lex in the comics, the movies, the animated series, etc. is a suave, calculating, charismatic businessman
Want to know how I know you're a casual? Luthor wasn't always a businessman, but that's the version you grew up with so that's why you think it's the only version that counts. That's the most common problem with BvS haters: "not muh." Fact is: this version is an amalgamation of all previous Lexs, put in a new situation for an interesting story.

>Lex in BvS on the other hand is just plain nutso.
You didn't pay enough attention to the movie. You would have known that every time he twitched it was due to someone talking about power or someone exerting power over him.

>and overall his endgame was pretty poorly thought out considering Doomsday could've easily destroyed him and the planet if Supes didn't put him down.
Replace Doomsday with Bizarro and you'll see just how close BvS Lex is with the comics.

Okay, enough spoonfeeding. You should just go watch the movie again or read some evaluations or something because clearly you didn't understand it the first time. Use Man of Steel Answers if you want.

What?

You think this parody film will correct Zack Snyder's ineptitude? If anything, people will say "Lego Batman was SO MUCH better than Justice League"

DC has always had fun animation, but the live action rarely rises above turd status

whatever you say cuckosaurus

Pulling all my concrete info from the link below, just so we're on the same page. I havem't seen anything that contradicts these numbers yet, so it's what I'm sticking with.

boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman2015.htm

Anyhow, the two important boxes are

>Production Budget: $250mil
>Worldwide Gross: ~$873 mil

Marketing budget also needs to be added, but we don't have any real concrete numbers for that last I checked. The number I see thrown around most is $150mil, so I'm using that unless someone has anything more accurate.

So marketing+production leaves the total film budget at about $400mil.

Rule of thumb is that a movie needs to make double it's budget, due to theaters taking a cut. Some places take more but we'll just assume everyone takes 50% because there's no reason to complicate things.

So it would need $800mil just to make back the money they spent making it.

The worldwide total gross was $873mil, meaning that only $73mil of that money is actual profit. The rest was them JUST making their money back.

To put it in perspective, Captain America: Civil War is listed as having the same budget, but making $1.1 billion.

Both Avengers movies also get listed as having as similar budgets, while also making $1.5billion.

I guess I was a bit mistaken on BvS having a ridiculous budget compared to the movies it's competing against, it just didn't make anywhere near as much gross.

I don't even think it was that bad. Replace Clooney with almost anyone else, scrap the Babs is related to Alfred subplot (or maybe remove Batgirl altogether), cut down like a half hour and it's pretty decent fun. I even liked Bane as a retard and the Bat credit card. It's also technically the most comic accurate movie Batman ever since he didn't kill anyone

They put a lot of marketing into the movie, even had that goofy cereal shit. Just on name brand alone, especially with the history of the Nolan trilogy, BvS should have easily made 1 billion, they would have seen no need to hold back much on marketing unless they found out early on it was likely going to flop.

That's not a DCEU movie. If anything it means a DCLMU will replace the shitty DCEU.

>scrap the Babs is related to Alfred subplot (or maybe remove Batgirl altogether)

This.

I never got the title at all. Batman Forever was all about Dick becoming Robin.

Batman and Robin was more about Batgirl than Robin.

>Biggest problem is that you only see the scene on the surface level
No, I could also see what they were going for beneath the surface, it's just that the execution left a lot to be desired and it turned a scene of character growth into a joke to be ridiculed by general audiences and critics.
>No, it would have made the scene bad.
Not really. If handled well, it would've set up proper foreshadowing to show that Batman isn't necessarily as much of a hardass as people believe and that he still has a chance to
Of course, such a setup would hinge on Zack Snyder being able to handle to become a good person.

Why are you talking about the DCEU in a Lego Batman thread?

DCEU is mentioned in the opening post?

I'm hoping this means a Lego Superman movie will come next. That would be so good!

cont. >Luthor wasn't always a businessman, but that's the version you grew up with so that's why you think it's the only version that counts.
So tell me why I should discount this version of Lex's character when it has been his characterization for the past few decades.
>Fact is: this version is an amalgamation of all previous Lexs
Even for a Snyderfag, this is a stretch.
>You didn't pay enough attention to the movie.
Typical
>"It's not that our movies are shit, it's just that YOU didn't pay enough attention to muh headcanon."
>Replace Doomsday with Bizarro and you'll see just how close BvS Lex is with the comics.
Ironically, if they had actually gone with Bizarro then a lot of the movies issues could've been avoided. It wouldn't even have taken much, just depict Zod's corpse with an odd gray texture and have his lines seem off the wall as a result of brain damage.

But nope, gotta throw in Doomsday even though it's only the second movie in the DCEU.

>If you count all the people who didn't watch it, a lot of people watched it.

>So tell me why I should discount this version of Lex's character when it has been his characterization for the past few decades.
Because the DCEU has been trying to honor all ages of the comics instead of just the one that came out when you were 12. Because Snyder actually cares about the characters as a whole instead of just the one he grew up with.

>Typical
If you didn't act so stereotypical then you wouldn't get a stereotypical answer. It's a common problem: most people who didn't like the movie didn't pay attention to it.

>this is a stretch.
How?

>Ironically, if they had actually gone with Bizarro then a lot of the movies issues could've been avoided.
I've said it should have been Bizarro, but then it wouldn't have aligned with the Death of Superman event. Bizarro killing Superman would have been seen as even worse, especially since Bizarro has not usually been portrayed as evil (just confused). I thought using Doomsday was fine.

I'd rather have another general Lego movie with one licensed side character. Like, maybe a firefighter or racecar driver is the MC and he has Shaq and a ninja turtle on his team

>lacks reading comprehension
Is Lego Batman going to be too confusing for you too?

>but then it wouldn't have aligned with the Death of Superman even

But Zod being transformed into Doomsday is fine?

>Because the DCEU has been trying to honor all ages of the comics instead of just the one that came out when you were 12.
Whoa there chief, "honor" would imply that they're actually doing these characters justice. The only thing that Snyder gives a shit about is action scenes, explosions, and destruction porn, which is why most of his films revolve around grim, gritty, and stylistic as fuck.
>If you didn't act so stereotypical then you wouldn't get a stereotypical answer.
I hope you realize that that's not the way you construct an argument.
>How?
Because I've yet to see an adaptation that had Lex bouncing off the walls, shoving candy into people's faces, and delivering jars of urine to people. I know that there are some weird stories in the silver age but his behavior borders on "Robot Chicken" territory.
>I've said it should have been Bizarro, but then it wouldn't have aligned with the Death of Superman event.
DoS shouldn't have happened this early in the DCEU.

/thread

Daily reminder the Batman '66 DTV was the best Batman related media last year.

>b-b-buh it didnt make a billion
>b-b-buh it muh tomatoes
>b-b-buh [insert youtuber] told me to hate it

>It's an user hates Illumination because they're popular episode

Nolan paid people to hate WB movies?

>Nobody cares about Lego Batman
The critics do

Why exactly does Lex prefer an unstoppable rampaging beast over an unstoppable man/alien who can be reasoned with?

Superman fans don't know how to take a joke. They'd be frotting if there was a Lego movie making fun of Superman.

Because "muh daddy beat me so I must hate god now."

I like how the delusional Snyderfag never replied to this

only by a few mill, but it did beat BvS

Is there any reason to actually like Illumination? They're like an even more annoying Dreamworks.

>Because I've yet to see an adaptation that had Lex bouncing off the walls

Gene Hackman.

because it's FUN