You just betrayed us (You just betrayed us)

You just betrayed us (You just betrayed us)
The moment we rolled back waiting
No one can save us (No one can save us)
You won't believe us until we're gone

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What does that even mean? They were making money.

Sorry I didnt post article but basically he says DC films being dark don't work.

What the fuck. Okay I dont fully defend BvS cos I still believe they should have done a batman movie first and not have superman die but to me Man of Steel is an almost perfect unique film. It works so well.

They were profitable, but they were bad. I'm not sure Cavill is right that it's thanks to WW, but before her movie, none of the DC films were good. Man of Steel was the best one and it was passable at best.

He’s just an actor. Only Snyder’s opinion matters

>all the films from now on will have quips
>no more dark and serious zack snyder productions
Why does suicide become more easier?

it was unironically only good film in the cinematic universe

Don't work for who? Clearly it's working for DC's finances and working for the consumer. Who exactly is this not working for?

I havent seen WW and idk if I want to. Not a fan of that character and it fucking pisses me off she got a movie first before Affleck and we may never get a batman movie cos Affleck is in full depression state now.

BvS should have made 1 billion. 2 of the biggest super heroes ever and it didnt. But to me, BvS being dark had nothing to do with the film's problems. Film suffered from cramming so much content.

It's true in the sense that the general audiences only embraced the DC movies with WW.

>films are either dark and serious or quipfests
When did this false dichotomy meme start?

But do they forget how well Dark Knight did and that had no humor?

FUCKING WW

>Hey Henry we need you to do your part in making sure Justice League gets 1 billion dollars. Shit on your own movies.
>o-ok boss

Fucking balding retard you crossed snyder

>Open article
>Actor shits on his own movie

this

>They were making money.
jesus it's 2017 and we still have anons in Sup Forums who don't know how the box office works.

>2 of the biggest super heroes ever
You mean one of the biggest superheroes ever, and Batman.
Maybe the movie just sucked.

WB wanted to fast forward their team up team up movie that they skipped MoS 2 and a Batman film. Instead we get BvS + WW and emails introduction

>wonder woman
>being good

the bar has gone this low, it's pathetic.

Cucks are saying people are seeing Justice League for Gal Gadot. I find that impossible to believe. How many of you DCucks are seriously pretending to like Wonder Woman? Do you have 0 shame?

BvS could have worked if it was 5 or 6 hours. There was so many things for Snyder to do in that film you can't really blame him

I liked Wonder Woman, I put it on par with Iron Man 1. Ares battle sucked ass but Pine carried the film. I enjoyed it.

I like Wonder Woman. I don't like Wonder Murderer. I'm not seeing this piece of shit.

BvS and Man of Steel combined made much less profit that Wonder Woman did

>cos Affleck is in full depression state now.
Why?

I will make my point again. BvS was crammed with too much stuff and they really should have done a Batman standalone movie first to get people more into Affleck's Batman (even though to me Affleck's Batman is the best on screen Batman ever) but EVERYTHING that Snyder did with Affleck's Batman was a masterpiece.

Yes, we needed probably a better written scene instead of Batman deciding to kill all those men he just attached a tracker to their vehicle BUT seeing Batman kill and be so violent was perfect for an aging man who has lived so long and fighted crime and now has changed his ways.

This is why he hates Superman so much. Not cos he just blames him for the city destruction but for their being another Super hero in town who as he thinks is trying to replace him.

Bruce is fighting his own demons throughout the movie such as the Nightmares he has is symbolic of how he has fallen into an abyss of chaos. It's only when Superman says the name Martha that some humanity returns back to him.

Yes that Martha scene should have been better edited but I do understand what Snyder was trying to do even if it didn't 100% work on screen.

I am so sad now that we will never again get a film this dark that explores human evil and psychology.

Seen the trailers for Justice League? It's the MCU but with DC characters.

I don't at all want to see that abomination.

divorce
alcoholism
sexual harassment accusations

Because he destroyed his beautiful nuclear family and now liberals think he's a rapist.

>BvS didn't work out with normies
>Woman problem
>Batman movie still has no script

So of all these reason which one is the worst???

investors who want a hit

DC died with heath ledger.

literally everyone loved that movie.

>BvS could have worked if it was 5 or 6 hours.
Well in my opinion, cut out scenes of the political scenes on tv talking about Superman because you know.. we get it!

Have more Knightmare scenes of Batman and show how psychologically damaged Batman has become with each nightmare getting more and more horrific.

People say the nightmare scenes were a weak part of the movie but I completely disagree.

The slow mo shots of Superman saving people to me didn't need to be in there. We should be seeing this movie through eyes of Batman and make this more of his movie.

He ain't doing so well

>So of all these reason which one is the worst???
Batman movie having no script because Affleck's career was completely turned around when people praised him as Batman. Just a shame that movie wasn't so well received and Affleck surely wants to show everyone he can do very well in a standalone movie but since it is taking forever for the Batman movie to be made (not to mention the story is being completely re-written and therefore makes Affleck depressed that his ideas won't be completely used).

The Dark Knight had plenty of humor. They just didn’t beat you over the head with it.

JUST

I’M NOT WEARING HOCKEY PADS

Here's an idea, don't use the Dark Knight Returns as the inspiration for your new Batman. It was a stupid idea, specially when you're still gonna end the movie in
>there's a big bad and we're all friends now yay

BvS had humor in it too but very rarely

>Lex at party
>Alfred remark with wishing Bruce would find a woman at the party and settle down with her
>Fishburne's performance
No there isn't humor in every sentence like MCU try to do and judging by JL trailer, they have copied this formula.

>Well in my opinion, cut out scenes of the political scenes on tv talking about Superman because you know.. we get it!
That was one of the best parts of the whole fucking movie, that is the kind of honest world building that the Dceu legitimately did superior to the Mcu.

They really shouldn't have ended BvS with them becoming friends. It's called BvS anyway. Save this idea for JL and end BvS on a very dark tone where it appears Batman has killed Superman or something.

You know? Shock the audience.

I am not a fan of seeing a real scientist be in a super hero movie and we pretend this is real events.

GUYS THE ARTICLE TITLE FUCKING LIES.

He didn't say they didn't work as films, he simply acknowledged that it was not what mass audiences want from superhero films.

>he simply acknowledged that it was not what mass audiences want from superhero films.
And? This changes nothing. Hollywood will still go with the normies and we will never again get something like The Dark Knight.

Suicide gets easier each day

>and we pretend this is real events.
That wasn't what it was doing.
It was just asking how would the world react if Superman existed in a realistic world.

The actual reason DC movies didn't work is because Zach Snyder is a shit director.

>he simply acknowledged that it was not what mass audiences want from superhero films.
Entertainment?

TDK was good though. It was a competently made movie from start to finish, that's what Snyder's shit lacks. His foundation is shitty, and it shows in the rest of the movie. Begins was better anyway

This is clearly in context to DC films, not Nolanverse films. We're talking about all the films they're foddering into the Justice League shit.

>Entertainment?
No they want campy silly bright fantasy popcorn fest instead of films that treat the material seriously and their sci-fi concepts with dignity, and adapting it to fit into a realistic setting like Mos & Bvs did.

>but to me Man of Steel is an almost perfect unique film. It works so well.
Agreed.

Cool I can't wait for The Batman to have a trailer where he winks and you here a ding sound and then it cuts to Alfred making a face like he swallowed a lemon. That's what's fun. Drama isn't fun because ummm Drumpf.

So we're pretending no one liked Logan earlier this year?

Mass piece of shit audiences like Logan not because it was dark & emotionally powerful but because they finally got a Wolverine movie with gore.

>Cool I can't wait for The Batman to have a trailer where he winks
Haven't you seen the Justice League trailer? Wonder Woman helps Batman and Aquaman defeat an alien and then she fucking winks at him.

NO JOKE! THIS IS ACTUALLY IN THE MOVIE.

DCEU IS DEAD

For you, a pleb.
Man of Steel is one of the best in the genre, I am positive that in time people will appreciate what it did different from everything that came before and everything that came after. Wonder Woman is a cool little movie, but it built on a template made in the late 70s, Snyder created something modern and new.

Wow, agrees with a popular opinion to promote his movie?
I though man of steel was good but this guys just trying to sell a movie.

I FUCKING HATE CAPESHIT REDDIT CUNTS FUCK OF TO SOMEWHEFE ESKWE AND LET ADUKTS DISCUSS FILMS YOU MANCHIKDREN BERA CUBTS

I thought you said audiences liked "campy silly bright fantasy popcorn fest" not "Wolverine movie with gore". It's definitely not "Zack Snyder is a terrible director as evidenced by his entire filmography".

Man of Steel is a Michael Bay movie, except Bay is aware enough that he knows he's making pure schlock. Snyder actually thinks he's making something artistic.

>Man of Steel is one of the best in the genre
It's by far on the same level as TDK. In 30 years time, people will praise MoS the same way TDK is praised today.

>Snyder created something modern and new.
YES HE DID! People forget this

That's literally happened twice in the trailers. Once with WW and once with Aquaman

The desire for gore comes from the same childish brainless place wanting popcorn fest with no consequences comes from.
And people have wanted such a Wolverine movie for 17 years.

Do you think he's traumatized after getting fucked by countless producers?

>Man of Steel is a Michael Bay movie
No they have virtually nothing in common besides city scale battle scenes.
Everything Bay does wrong Snyder does right...
> Snyder's dceu Female character's are not just eye candy, they have their own arcs & they are competent.
> In both Mos & Bvs we get 40 minutes with no action to build up to it and get to know the characters so the battles have actual weight.
> Snyder's destruction is shown as shocking & horrible by giving us a human perspective of it with Perry & the Daily planet folk in Mos plus Bruce at the start of Bvs. Bay's destruction serves no purpose at all, hence them preposterously retconing the end battle of T1 in T2 with Transformers still being a secret despite this city wide battle.
> No racist or sexist humor in Snyder's films.
> No bathroom humor by Snyder except the piss jar which isn't a billionth as hack-ish as that museum bathroom scene in T2.

Snyder's films are great. Don't give a shit what his politically correct actors say to journalists. WW had a fraction of the depth and visual power as MoS. BvS is a reflection of modern day sensibilities echoed through superheroes.

>human perspective of it with Perry & the Daily planet folk in Mos plus Bruce at the start of Bvs
THOSE SCENES WERE SO GOOD!

Really felt for Perry and that woman who I thought was gonna die.

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Bruce Wayne is symbolic of the "good guy becoming the villain" as he loses some senses and falls into nightmares due to demons haunting him throughout his life.

We all have felt this at one point in our lives where we do not care anymore and dwelve into the dark side.

Zack Snyder is someone who would do a Star Wars movie justice with showing someone slowly join the dark side. Not horrible JJ Abrams who cannot direct for the life of him.

The perspective to Perry matters when you consider how Snyder uses their struggle and strength to justify Superman's ascension from the pressure of the Kryptonian world, breaking it and accepting his fate.

Comment by Cavill is very weird when Snyder always displayed so much pride of Cavill's Superman. Poor guy getting stabbed from all directions.

I've said this before and people didn't understand me but to me THIS IS the hidden meaning to why Superman screams when he kills Zod.

He wishes Zod was his brother, someone he could connect to because Zod is the ONLY Kruptonian thing left anymore. Superman is alone in the world with no one to connect to.

When he kills Zod, he screams because he is sad that he had just killed the only thing he can relate to anymore.

>Comment by Cavill is very weird when Snyder always displayed so much pride of Cavill's Superman. Poor guy getting stabbed from all directions.
Not really.
If he said Snyder's films were incompetent then that would be a back stab but he merely said that audiences want bright fun stuff especially in regards to Superman, Snyder has even sorta accepted that at this point with that line he said a while back...
>"I guess audiences just don't want to see there heroes be deconstructed"
That fact does not make his films bad, it just means they have a smaller audience then hoped for.

Post the article so I can see what he actually said

Or the awful Marvel movies where a good guy is always "brainwashed" into doing evil shit. Leaving him completely without autonomy of his actions. In BvS, Bruce is actually developed into a proper fallen hero from the first scene. His autonomy is never removed. He's still responsible for his actions. This makes his redemption more rewarding because he makes the choices, not some overlord of his.

He is mentally ill though.

>"I guess audiences just don't want to see there heroes be deconstructed"
WHY NOT?

I connected a lot with Bruce Wayne because I have had dark times in my life so seeing him change and dwell into darkness really made me understand his character.

Going by the Bible, even Jesus was almost tempted and the prophets in the Old Testament considered suicide and had lots of depression due to how the world was and all the suffering in the world.

People like to see their heroes suffer and come out of that suffering not just be completely heroic with no challenges. That's boring.

Snyder's Batman will always to me be one of the greatest things in cinema history (even if BvS isn't all that great but what he did with Batman is 10/10).

Please go back to . Please.

It's funny how WW is used as bullet against Snyder when Snyder arguably played a bigger role in Diana's cinema establishment than Jenkins.

If Snyder was a woman he'd have numerous Academy Awards under his belt.

>TDK was good though
Nolan dick suckers on Sup Forums? Where do you come from?

The Dark Knight did have humor. Not Marvel tier but it was there. Unless you believe Joker in a nurses outfit wasn't supposed to be funny

It barely made over 600mil. A failure for either Marvel or DC

>People like to see their heroes suffer
Not anymore they don't.
If they did the number one complaint against Bvs would not be "Superman broods too much & is emo".

Nobody complains about that since nobody even gave a shit about Superman before MoS.

Fuck they did that brainwash shit in both Avenger films and I only just realized. Fucking hacks

But that's not true.

Fucking irony!

BvS was fucking terrible.

The number one complaint was it was too rushed and confusing which the UC fixed.

Its not but MoS brought Superman back into the public consciousness on a way Returns utterly failed to do. And that's because it was different instead of a Donner wankfest and I say that as somebody who vastly prefers the Donner films

I found myself really enjoying the extended cut. Seeing how Bruce lived through the Metropolis battle is one of my favorite scenes in any film not just capes

But Affleck's Batman was amazing. You have to agree with that

For me I think it's the act of killing alone. Clark didn't feel like he killed a Kryptonian, he felt like he killed a human. Zod was brainwashed, mentally wired to accept death before surrender, but in Clark's empathetic eyes, he was still to some degree human.
People complain that by changing Jon Kent's death we lose the important lesson of "Superman can't save everyone" but it's right there at the end. He couldn't save Zod, the only way he could find peace was in death, the only way to ensure Earth's safety was by killing him, there were no other options. A different kind of saving, a different kind of death, but I find it more meaningful than "You can save someone from a burning building but not high cholesterol."

being dark is fine, end of the world shit should be a little dark. It's all the character acting retarded, the stupid as fuck plot that makes these movies shit.. Snyder is basically Ridley Scott, style over substance. Films look aesthetically pleasing but everything else is fucking atrocious.

He basically said everyone was too much of a brainlet to appreciate Snyderkino. Which is true.

Unfortunately you're wrong. The majority of audiences want entertainment, they want power fantasy.
They don't want the narrative of a man losing faith in himself and humanity, they don't want to see weakness and vulnerability in their heroes. They want the story of a man with power who gets what he wants because he has that power.
That is the appeal of political and religious propaganda in which men who follow a certain ideology get rewarded and see their enemies suffer. This is the appeal of pornography in which men with some kind of fantastic member are able to seduce and dominate women without any resistance or negative consequences. And this is the appeal of the commercial blockbuster. The cynical monomyth of modern society.

It was terrible compared to Nolan's but it was better than Marvel movies.

If WB get rid of Zack Snyder, IM Done with DCEU. He is allcreator, allfather, only he is know what need to be done in this universe.

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The daggers twisting.

Wonder Woman was fucking awful though