>"Upon hearing of the defeat, the Emperor Augustus, according to the Roman historian Suetonius in De vita Caesarum ("The Lives of the Caesars"), was so shaken that he stood butting his head against the walls of his palace, repeatedly shouting: "Quintili Vare, legiones redde!“ ('Quintilius Varus, give me back my legions!') Even years later, Augustus was known to mutter "Quintilli Varus, legionnes redde" under his breath
What the FUCK was this characters problem?
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It was the start of the end and he knew it.
end of what
Roman hegemony.
literally only 3 legions were destroyed. Romans had deployed over 20 legions in one battle at times. It was hardly an insurmountable loss. A demoralizing, shocking defeat, but hardly something to go crazy over.
this kid was about a million times more talented then that ass pirate they recast him as, worst call in the whole show
this, at Cannae Hannibal killed 1/5 of the Roman male population, that is a bit more demoralizing than 3 fucking legions
They were his favorites. Who cares there is Spartacus, give me back Rome.
He had autism. Did you not watch the show? He fucked his sister and then lectured her on the immorality of incest.
THE WIFE OF LVCIVS VORENVS IS A WHORE
MOCKERY OF THE JEWS, AND THEIR ONE GOD, SHALL BE KEPT TO AN APPROPRIATE MINIMUM
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>gib legions so i can continue draw map of europ
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Hannibal destroyed 2 legions. Germans 3.
Check mate
the recast was great as a sociopath but awful whenever he had to show actual emotion
Hannibal destroyed more than two legions, there were 8 roman legions and 8 italian allied legions at Cannae, numbering about 80 000 soldiers total, and 45 000 of them died at Cannae.
So at Cannae alone, Hannibal exterminated the equivalent of 9 legions.
and he did that in honorable fight too
>Polybius writes that of the Roman and allied infantry, 70,000 were killed, 10,000 captured, and "perhaps" 3,000 survived. He also reports that of the 6,000 Roman and allied cavalry, only 370 survived.[33]
>Livy wrote, "Forty-five thousand and five hundred foot, two thousand seven hundred horse, there being an equal number of citizens and allies, are said to have been slain."[34]
>Plutarch agreed, "50,000 Romans fell in that battle... 4,000 were taken alive".[36]
>Quintilian: "60,000 men were slain by Hannibal at Cannae".[37] Eutropius: "20 officers of consular and praetorian rank, 30 senators, and 300 others of noble descent, were taken or slain, as well as 40,000 foot-soldiers, and 3,500 horse".[38]
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Not sure how many people you think are in a legion, but it's 5,000. So assuming they're even guessing double it was still a shitload more than 2.
It was the worst loss Rome had experienced in living memory, one that was entirely avoidable, and it cost them all the colonization work they'd been doing over the Rhine.
He was, unironically, autistic
That's what made him a great emperor though
> End of Roman hegemony
> Roman Empire still not at its apex
> Trajan, Vespasian, Titus, Hadrian, etc... are not even born yet
> still no colosseum in rome
> roman empire starts going to shit about 250 years after Augustus death
> beginning of the end of roman hegemony
It's like saying the death of Alexander is the beginning of the end of the hellenisitic period
Some people respect the lives of those that freely give themselves to the state.
The Roman Legions (post Marius) equipped with auxiliary forces (cavalry) were a military force without equal at the time. The backbone of any army were the legion (heavy infantry) and their effectiveness came from every legionary being a seasoned professional (and halftime sappers) with previously unseen discipline.
At the time - and a few centuries afterwards - barely anything could stand up against them in pitched battles.
And that's the root of the problem. Heavy infantry is only effective in formation that requires a wide open space with cavalry from keeping the enemy horsemen from routing it from the wings. It is pretty much useless while marching, streching miles in 4 rank deep coloumns in forests.
An other problem is that the roman military was shit at scouting. at an epic level. Caesar's War Commentaries have a number of incidents when he came within an inch of his life as a result of shit scouting.
>After marching through woods all day pursuing a gall army the legions came to a clean hillside and decided to make camp.
>Two chaps decided to go over a hilltop to the other side so the y dont have to take a shit in plain view of everyone.
>Walk over and see the army you were pursuin is making camp on the other side of the hill. They notice you. Run back to your troops screamg : to arms!
>supriseMassacre.jpg
Caesar also notes that the Germans he came across fought like absolute madmen, and could only be repelled when they got tired. Add to this a german leader (Arminius)who were educated in roman tactics - and knew pretty much all about them) and you have Teotoburg.
The other source of his butthurt is that after the end of the civil war he settled the vast majority of serving veterans reducing the numbers of active legions drastically as to avoid an ther civil war. So when he lost three fully armed legions it was a bigger blow, because it weakend the borders, and training new ones upto their level would take years.
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Also the Eagle standards were stolen. and the Romans were superstitious on a ridiculous level.
tl;dr: 3 legions of seasoned soldiers + fewer legions to begin with + weakening the border + bad omens all around.
This is bullshit. The Empire were only starting to get its shit together under Augustus. The Golden Age of Empire was still ahead of them.
Never the less they draw the practical conclusion that heavy infantry is pretty much useless in forest-regions against guerilla warfare. They did what the were best at, kicking the living shit out of everyone on fields.
Only finished watching season 2 yesterday, such a shame it ended there.
> and the Romans were superstitious on a ridiculous level
Didn't the loss make Augustus leave instructions to not cross the Rhine and leave the germans be?
more like "Quintili Vare, legiones reddit!"
>Didn't the loss make Augustus leave instructions to not cross the Rhine and leave the germans be
no, there were numerous punitive campaigns against the germans after this
After spending all your life curb stomping all your enemies and achieving success possibly greater than any Roman ever you develop a bit of an ego and can be shocked by a defeat a magnitude beyond what you thought was possible in a remote region
It would honestly feel like your legions just went into a black hole and the loss would seriously shake your understanding of reality
So yes frustration and muttering to yourself is not that surprising. And relative to other Romans reaction to less extreme events, Augustine's was pretty measured
As far as I know yes. Ceaser was the first to cross the Rhine in a punitive expedition during his war campaigns but after he got back ordered the Rhine to be defended as a border and not crossed. He supposedly also told the Germans that he will only cross it if they come over first. But he will not have to cross it a third time.
After Teutoburg expansion into Germania was canned and Octavius forbid any troops crossing. If I remember correctly - aside from border skirmishes - the Romans pretty much sticked with this and played elsewhere for a century.
IT'S GOING TO RECOVER, RIGHT?
I DIDN'T LOSE ALL MY LEGIONS, RIGHT?
RIGHT.
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