She was a great character. Thoughts on her Sup Forums?

She was a great character. Thoughts on her Sup Forums?

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Eric Trueheart and Vasquez seem to hate her guts.

On the other hand, every interview Trueheart does about the comic, he's always asked "when will Tak show up?" and I think he's so sick of it now he's excluding her out of spite. Can't blame him.

Why do I get the feeling that she was Jhonan's OC waifu that he just decided "fuck it, I'm putting her in the show"

She should have been in more episodes. Same with Julie from Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi.

Why did these shows have to be so short lived? They both had a big fanbase and they were pretty popular when they came out.

Her hateboner for Zim fucked her over. I mean, I get it, she obsessed over him for what might have been centuries, but still. She went after a planet the Tallest didn't give a shit over, she revealed her master plan to Zim, she went to go and fight Zim in space rather then look after hew own evil plan, thus allowing Dib and Gaz to ruin it, and the plans for her afterwards involved her trying to fuck with Zim through winning a contest or something. Yes, really. She wasn't even trying to prove herself as an Invader anymore, she just wanted to beat Zim.

I would not be surprised if she had a stalker shrine to him, except it has voodoo dolls and darts instead of hearts and candles.

Seems plausible. Wasn't there a background charcter in a couple of episodes who looked kind of like an aged-up version of Tak's human form?

What is this, a picture for ants?

It was good for the show to have such a genuine antagonist. She got a lot of attention in her episode and she was a real threat instead of just an extended joke. Also her accent was cool.

Why are the creators of this show such dickheads?

I want to force her to lick my feet.

>Why are the creators of this show such dickheads?
Because the fans of the show are autists and weirdos.
One begets the other

The creator is a dolt then to omit his best antagonist.

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Makes sense for her to hang around Jhonen's childhood self-insert.

>Why are the creators of this show such dickheads?

With a fanbase as toxic as the Zim one, they have every right to be irritable assholes. Zim fans don't deserve nice things.

oh shit nigger. it all makes sense now.

Welp. Another reason for me to ship these misanthropes.

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Would Tak keep Dib as a pet after destroying the Earth? Keeping him on a collar and wearing nothing but a backwards strap on?

Oh fuck off.

I like how hard she was trying to be a Mary Sue only to keep failing because of the stupidity around her.

oh, boy, i hope so...

I straight-up want to fuck her ship while her downloaded personality berates me through sporadic moans and whimpers she increasingly fails to keep down as I thrust into whatever port she has that was arbitrarily put there to let the ship feel sexual pleasure for some reason

>that was arbitrarily put there to let the ship feel sexual pleasure for some reason
You dare question the reasoning behind Irken engineering?

No, never.

Probably make it appear at some specific time, perhaps when the comic is in crisis, is a secure ticket to save the fans, on the other hand, if Vazques really does not like this character, probably never appear, but remember what I am about to say, some new character will probably appear, and this is going to be a girl

Sounds bretty hot desu

someone post the pictures

On the contrary...

She doesn't even have her pak, she should already be dead

She's dead here too.
Post more Tak x Dib
Or DaTr if you want to be autistic.

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I want an alien qt to lick my feet too

I wouldn't be surprised if they introduced her in one of the comics, only to kill her off in the next page.

>DATR

Boy that takes me back. I used to read tons of IZ fanfics when I was teen. Now I'm reading Loud House fanfics so fundamentally nothing has changed.

Vasquez is a hypocrite. He claims to hate the fanbase, the landwhale hot topic scene girls and Penguinofd00m tier humor yet he continues to perpetuate it.

Vasquez does have his moments of genuine and intelligent humor and there is no denying that if you can look past the lolrandom jokes (most Gir jokes) Invader Zim was a quality show.

But holy shit does Vasquez lack the ability to understand that he is still the godfather of the cancer he created. He has the absolute inability to understand that being ironic about something doesn't mean you're above it and that pretending to be retarded is precisely why he attracted other retards.

So he has no room to bitch and moan over the fanbase, the guy continues to make references to waffles and moose in his comic, he is still part of the cancer.

>People still believe the "Jhonen hates his fans" memes.

Its been 15 years, he got over it and so should you.

It doesn't matter if he does or if he doesn't, what matters is he's the worst kind of contrarian.

She was my waifu before I even knew what a waifu was

Same.

So he's basically Anno?

I actually entirely agree with this, I read JtHM a billion years ago, before IZ existed (yes, fucking oldfag) and it's pretty much him being the negative stereotype of every one of his fans (edgy, lolrandum, whiney). I know he regrets a lot of JtHM for thos reasons and because he did grow beyond that, but honestly judging your young fans for being not quite as edgy tryhard and lulrandumb as you were in college and beyond is retarded. Hopefully, Vasquez has even moved beyond that and doesn't really judge any more. Honestly that's many typical kids being typical kids and young adults and not worth being pissed off about. Getting butthurt as hell about it is in itself fucking immature. "Wow I am so much cooler now that I'm 19 than I was at 16 I was lame then." No not really shut the fuck up.

Tak was incredibly, incredibly popular way back in the day. For the fandom, she was the necessary fourth member of a shipping quartet. Her accent was cool. I used to have a ton of cute Japanese fan art of her (from the short time IZ was translated into Japanese maybe). Unfortunately all the top tier Tak fan art (and there was an incredible amount) is long gone for nearly two deacdes, but there was amazing stuff. Really well drawn fan art and of course tons of fanfiction was all about Tak.

The writers pretend to hate her and GIR and anything super popular from the show so who knows. If the show hadn't been canceled she apparently would have been in it much more.

Her VA is super cute. Check out her roles in The Wonder Years and Star Trek. Cute.

Did this show redpill children on how evil the world really is or did it just corrupt them and destroy their innocence. I myself remember finding it hilarious as a preteen

I liked the way she laughed. I love over dramatic acting.

Lot of good taste in this thread

random is a buzzword. it's also really ironic you're insulting vasquez fanbase for being fat when image related is how the typical comic fanboy looks (according to normies).

She reminds me of Zoetica Ebb (a girl Jhonen has posed with in photos).

>So he's basically Anno?
and Alan Moore

>So he's basically Anno?
and Alan Moore

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>The entire fanbase being fat

Strike a nerve there tumblrino? I was trying to paint an image of what was in fact the Invader Zim Fanbase was in the post canceled years when it became a product line for hot topic.

Lonely girls go for alternative cliques and thus were drawn to the hot-topic scene.

Triggered yourself? Perhaps CBG is a bit similar to your own visage.
I was merely stating it doesn't matter if the fanbase is full of fatties as every comic/cartoon fanbase is.

>I was merely stating it doesn't matter if the fanbase is full of fatties
Why would you feel the need to focus on just that element? The idea here is that Jhonen ended up creating a clique of composed of undesirables that he ostracized heavily but was essentially a part of.

These people were disgusting in everything from appearance to humor. I'd take a fat nerd with excellent media tastes and appreciation for comedy over "Holds teh sp0ork" emo snowflake even if they were a lanklette.

No one who's a regular on Sup Forums should be getting offended by derogatory posts towards obesity, Which Is why I'm under the suspicion that you are a tumblr cross-boarder and probably female.

Redwood hasn't moderated Sup Forums in like 4 years, there should be no reason why you people continue to come here. This was supposed to be a Sup Forums board again.

i didn't focus on just that element. I also said random is a buzzword, which it is. it means the unexpected, which is something all comedy relies on. thus any cartoon someone doesn't like can be called random because it is a meaningless insult.

if you disagree with me then please tell me the difference between Invader Zim's and Yellow Submarine's (a classic and appraised movie full of random shit) use of random comedy.

> No one who's a regular on Sup Forums should be getting offended by derogatory posts towards obesity
both "lolsorandom" and "fat fangirls" are used as smearwords in reference to the cartoon instead of real criticisms of it (for example, a real criticism would be NanoZim sucking for being a generic Fantastic Voyage ep).
I'm not offended by your hateboner towards fat girls, if I'm offended by anything it's your shitty critical thinking skills (like assuming anyone who disagrees with you is an evil tumblr SJW).

canon tsundere

Well that explains a lot.

lol it's always like this anytime I ask someone to explain the difference between "good" random and "bad" random (in this case yellow submarine vs. invader zim).
they can never answer it and just disappear from the discussion. proof it's a bullshit buzzword insult.

she looks like the kind of girl that will cheat on you with 5 guys and then accuse you of abusing her.

Mai waifu

>Random is a buzzword
That has and never will mean anything.

Lolrandom is a colloquial term that was(at least it used to be) exclusive to Sup Forums. It essentially refers to an idea of humor where unrelated objects or words that have no link or coloration to the subject matter, plot, conversation or even set up for a joke are promptly fired at the user with expectation that people would find them funny.

Yes, there are instances where random, unexpected things can cause laughter. But the whole point of Lolrandom is to point out the misconception that the random and unexpected are jokes in of themselves.

This misconception by the writers in shows is what lead to a stream of bad and unfunny content by people who think a character shouting waffles at random intervals constitutes humor.


>These are smear words used to criticize the cartoon without criticizing it

We weren't talking about the cartoon, we were talking about Jhonen and his hypocrisy, the fans themselves and the cultural mesh that links them.

The cartoon has strong elements, but the humor that it's fans ended up enjoying the most (Gir jokes, references to waffles, ect.) are it's weakest aspect.

It's like how Undertale is a genuinely good game but it's fanbase is composed of terrible people that latched on to the game's worst assets. The difference is that Toby doesn't talk shit about his fanbase in one breath and then jack off to transgender furry porn in the next.

In essence, Jhonen feeds his faggots.

>This episode took place on valentines day

Well how bout that.


I just re-watched the episode. All this time I thought she was dead, but they never showed a body....

Well to be honest, Jhonen looks like the kind of guy who would sit in the corner and watch while his partner has intercourse with other men.

>That has and never will mean anything.
Yes it will.

> It essentially refers to an idea of humor where unrelated objects or words that have no link or coloration to the subject matter, plot, conversation or even set up for a joke are promptly fired at the user with expectation that people would find them funny.
What scene in Zim is like this? It's been a while since I watched it.
You keep referring to waffles but GIR was screaming about them in Zim Eats Waffles because he has the mind of a child and was cooking them. It relates to the plot and his character (normal for kids and idiots to scream).

Also, "an idea of humor where unrelated objects or words that have no link or coloration to the subject matter, plot, conversation or even set up for a joke" is exactly the description for surreal comedy: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surreal_humour
This is dismissing an entire genre of comedy... and why I say it's a buzzword. If someone doesn't like something with surreal humor they call it "lolsorandom", if they do like it they don't.

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>Yes it will

When will it mean something

>What scenes in Zim are like this.

Most if not all humor from Gir is like this.

>Gir likes waffles because he has the mind of a child

He's an alien robot, he likes random things because the writers think it would be funny if he likes them. If there is a single correlation it is that these things "sound funny", just various sundrie things that have slightly odd names.

Jhonen has a thing for making references to a specific set of things for no reason other than he finds the objects strange or funny sounding.

He likes drawing and making references to pigs, moose, waffles, balagna, chickens and a bunch of other shit.

There doesn't seem to be any specific inside joke to it and likely no symbolism. He just inserts them into imagery or has them spewed from some character.


>You just described surrealist humor

Surrealism isn't random, there is thought put into the extraordinary that occurs through which a joke is told.

> When will it mean something
Not sure what you're asking here.

> He's an alien robot, he likes random things because the writers think it would be funny if he likes them. If there is a single correlation it is that these things "sound funny", just various sundrie things that have slightly odd names.

Jhonen talking about GIR: "Gir acts like Gir because he’s broken. He’s made of garbage, so anything Gir does makes sense. It’s not random at all. It makes perfect sense in the world of the show because Gir doesn’t make sense. He inherently does not make sense. He’s broken. Sometimes he functions properly, but for the most part, he has a head full of garbage that the Almighty Tallest put in, so he can do whatever he wants. You know?"

There you have your reason. He does random/illogical things because his brain is broken and illogical. He screams and is annoying because he has the mind of an idiotic child.

> Surrealism isn't random
Yes it is?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randomness
"A random sequence of events, symbols or steps has no order and does not follow an intelligible pattern or combination."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surreal_humour
"Surreal humour is a form of humour predicated on deliberate violations of causal reasoning, producing events and behaviours that are obviously illogical"

> there is thought put into the extraordinary that occurs through which a joke is told.
All jokes have thought put into them, even bad ones, but this is why I'm asking for specific examples, post a youtube clip from a cartoon you think utilizes surreal humor well, and then tell me a particular scene in Zim that uses surreal humor in a bad way.

>> Surrealism isn't random

Here's what John Cleese (one of the Monthy Python guys) says about how to come up with jokes: "If you really don't know how to start, or if you got stuck, start generating random connections, and allow your intuition to tell you if one might lead somewhere interesting."

So his comedy starts from randomness, and Monthy Python is listed under wiki's article on surreal humor.

Gas the Irken xeno scum.

>unfunny, by the numbers, but cute show

.... Yeah, I'm sad about it too

wtf is this

>I can't think of an interesting pose, so I'll just have their legs jutting out at nonsensical angles
As an incredibly shit artist, I know this temptation.

>No sure what you're asking here
You said Buzzword will have a meaning, I'm asking when.

>Gir is broken
Cool backstory, where is the humor?
>Yes it is?

A lapse in logic or break down of cause and effect is not inherently random.

When Wile.E Coyte paints a train tunnel into the wall and Road Runner breaks the laws of physics to go through it, only for it to still be a painted wall when Wile uses it; that isn't random.

There is a joke being set up that involves the aptitude of Roadrunner vs. the clumsy genius of Wile. E. Coyte. The laws of the universe change for the protagonist to make a fool of the antagonist. It's unexpected if you had never seen such a joke, but the brain will process it as humor because of the implied intention of the scenario.

That is a very light example of surrealist humor, but it can be extended into even weirder or weirder states.

I remember there was an old flash series called Drawn Dream. It begins with several floating mechanical skeletons performing weird tasks on other fleshy-cyborg like creatures. There is no way to comprehend what is going on, but the first speaking character, the prince, explains to another character that what they were looking at was their "plans for the library", much to the other characters total shock and confusion.

It's surreal and nonsensical, but the joke is that a surreal scenario is being presented to a character who is just as confused as the viewer is as something it isn't.

All of this is completely different from Gir, who will say random things as Zim barks orders.

A good example is an episode where Gir is drinking a soda that is revealed to be "chocolate bubblegum" according to Gir himself. The joke is that he's "drinking" a nonsense food I guess, but it isn't funny and again, is banking on it being funny because Gir is doing something random.

Zim was my favorite nicktoon while it aired so I really liked her as a competent villain for Zim. it's a shame these type of characters never come back.

and since i'm not a fucking autist i don't waifu her or ship her with anyone and so i can enjoy the character for what she is.

SO IT WAS ABOUT REVEEEEENGE?

Purple>Red

No, it was obviously about the Robot Bee

Writing out my reply to this, hope thread doesn't get archived before I can post it.

I want Tak's shit to be in lingerie like that drawing of D.Va's mech.

Spork > Purple/Red

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> You said Buzzword will have a meaning, I'm asking when.
Now, but I'm dropping that subject, because it seems we're just gonna go in circles arguing if buzzword is a valid word.

>Cool backstory, where is the humor?
He's a broken idiot? Like plenty of cartoon characters such as Ed. Idiots are funny. And he's like a child. Gir irritating Zim with the doom song is like having an annoying singing kid in the backseat of your car. It's funny as you can recognize yourself in that situation, but it's ramped up because Zim has to deal with it for 6 months.

> Wile E. Coyote
> Drawn Dream
You're the first person I've argued with about this who actually provides an example of what they think a good surreal cartoon is, so that's nice (though I can't comment on it because I've no idea what episode you're talking about)... but I still disagree with you.

I agree that the Wile E. Coyote example isn't random, but that wasn't what I was arguing.
I don't think a joke has to have logic or "an intended scenario" to be funny. I think random/surreal comedy can't be quantified into good or bad, and whether it's funny or not is just subjective. In the case of bad jokes I think they're bad because of reasons unrelated to their randomness (like some fangirl saying doom, isn't unfunny because it's random, but because the word itself has been repeated by other people so much it's become tiring).

Look at Aqua Teen Hunger Force. There's no logic to that name or the concept of crime solving fast food items, it's just random and funny. A lot of their jokes are like that too:
youtube.com/watch?v=MSYaMOD2vdA
Why is the rapper a giant spider in a diaper? Because it's random and funny. Plenty of people think the show's comedy is hilarious, enough to support it for 11 seasons.

In case you think ATHF is also "lolsorandom" shit for dumb sheeple or whatever, I could use a praised film like Yellow Submarine as an example. A classic movie beloved by almost everyone who's seen it.

While it's not strictly a comedy, it's entertainment and fun to watch. There's no logic or symbolism to a lot of the stuff in the film, like shoes with wings. It's simply fun, with the intention of having the viewer thinking "what crazy thing are they gonna show next?", just as how with GIR the viewer is wondering "what crazy thing is he gonna do next?". Comedy doesn't have to follow a logical progression or scenario.

> A good example is an episode where Gir is drinking a soda that is revealed to be "chocolate bubblegum" according to Gir himself. The joke is that he's "drinking" a nonsense food I guess, but it isn't funny and again, is banking on it being funny because Gir is doing something random.
I looked up the clip for that, and I'd say the joke is he's being gross, like a dumb child who'll eat anything if given the chance. He's opening his mouth and the viewer gets a good look at the gross shit in it. Didn't Ed from EEnE also eat disgusting stuff?

>I looked up the clip for that, and I'd say the joke is he's being gross,

Invader Zim isn't comedy. Its propaganda.

My point with passing off Gir's backstory is that it doesn't matter. It exists to prop up a single joke that can expected by the character and this joke is that he says random things, which isn't funny for a lot of people.

Obviously spouting random nonsense is also a character trait of Ed from Ed, Edd and Eddy. Ed has more depth as a character than Gir and his babbling at least tries to have some sort of warped significance to the situation. There are a few few periods where the butt of the joke is him simply saying something completely random (butter toast) but I consider this to be his weakest point, especially in the later seasons where they took a one time random outburst and turned it into a character trait (technically a form of flanderization)

That is to say, Ed doing a thing similar to Gir does not save Gir from his flaws as an effective comic-relief simply because Ed is a beloved character appreciated by most of Sup Forums

>I do not believe jokes need a centralized logic to be funny
Humor is a complex thing, triggered by absurdity but only if the absurdity is "done right". Activated by an odd face or a certain situation

There are a whole mess of different things that cause laughter but they all follow an abstract design that you can't really explain out right.

You can't just have a character spew "ficklporp" have him hold up a spork and then explode while the other characters ignore him and expect that to be funny. There is no subtle layer in which the experience would cause people to laugh, because the idea is that it being random alone is enough to get a reaction.

This is the basis of Lolrandom, it is the idea that random events are instantly funny.

When random events ARE funny, it's because there are other things going on that prep that random moment into gaining enough traction to get people to laugh. It has some level of context even if it's surreal, working with the environment and not on it's own.

ATF is surely surreal, but it isn't random. The basis of the show is that they're a parody of hannah-barbara monster-of-the-week investigation squads. Their name is based off a Space Ghost cost-to-cost episode where they were the mascots of mind control inducing fast food restaurant.

The creators abandoned the detective idea but kept the paranormal element. In a sense ATHF is basically Courage the Cowardly Dog for young adults where everyone on the show is stupid and apathetic.

A lot of the monsters are parodies of other media, MC pee pants was given a spider design solely to fit with the idea that he was still some sort of paranormal entity and not just a rapper, this later incorporated into the idea that he is an entity that is constantly re-incarnated by Satan into different bodies. MC PeePants being a spider wasn't necessarily funny though, the humor came more from the voice acting and his retarded schemes.

When I say logic I don't mean a concrete logic, a show can be as surreal as it wants to be. I'm speaking more of the incredibly difficult to explain mechanics of humor.

A perfect example of this is Xavier Renegade angel. At first glance everyone thinks this show is both trippy eye candy bullshit or Lolrandom, It actually isn't, every sentence is a cleverly though out, in depth joke.

>My point with passing off Gir's backstory is that it doesn't matter. It exists to prop up a single joke that can expected by the character and this joke is that he says random things, which isn't funny for a lot of people.
But it is funny to most people, IZ has a score of 8.4 on imdb (higher than Billy & Mandy, Fosters Home, and several other shows in the "People who liked this also liked..." section), I doubt most people rating it that high hated GIR, and if you look in the user ratings section 70% of the high scores are from men, not "horrible teenage girls".

>he says random things
Him saying random things isn't necessarily bad. People like being surprised by what he's going to do next. Like how people enjoy watching Yellow Submarine in order to see what crazy random visual is next gonna pop up on the screen.

> Humor is a complex thing, triggered by absurdity but only if the absurdity is "done right". Activated by an odd face or a certain situation
If it is done right is subjective, such as how you may hate GIR but most people who've seen IZ like him.

>There are a whole mess of different things that cause laughter but they all follow an abstract design that you can't really explain out right.
You can't explain it, because this "abstract design" doesn't exist. Surreal humor is like food tastes, some people prefer apples, some prefer pears.

>You can't just have a character explode while the other characters ignore him and expect that to be funny. There is no subtle layer in which the experience would cause people to laugh, because the idea is that it being random alone is enough to get a reaction.
Wrong. Here's a literal example of that happening in a videogame and the players laughing their asses of at it: youtu.be/gtrMka0WBKs?t=1m45s
Why her head exploded is never explained.

> When random events ARE funny, it's because there are other things going on that prep that random moment into gaining enough traction to get people to laugh. It has some level of context even if it's surreal, working with the environment and not on it's own.
There's always "other events going on" in a story, and you can likely tie any joke into it's environment. I'll do it with the chocolate bubblegum scene.
Zim has been alerted of a dangerous intruder (this is "the other thing going on that prep that random moment into gaining enough traction to get people to laugh"), when he talks to GIR we see how childlike the robot is compared to Zim's serious attitude, just snacking on candy while the alarm's gone off. Zim even says that they have to be careful not to let their guards down, which is what GIR is doing.

The drink being bubblegum chocolate flavour is just a simple gross out bonus to the real joke (which is GIR is incompetent as a watchdog), but even that has context, as GIR is like a child, and it would be typical of a child to think two flavors they like would taste even better mixed together.

It seems youtube didn't embed the video link to the correct time, it's at 1:45 the head exploding happens.

>landwhale hot topic scene girls
They don't exist anymore, unfortunately.

I'm pretty sure the fandom died.

None of these guys are as bad as Matt Wilson.

>Ed has more depth as a character than Gir and his babbling at least tries to have some sort of warped significance to the situation.
He may have more depth (but not much, as EEnE is still a comedy and not drama series), but a lot of GIR's babbling ties into the situation as well. I've already explained how 3 of your "worst GIR moments" (waffles, doom song, bubblegum chocolate) have context and tie into the situation.

>Ed doing a thing similar to Gir does not save Gir from his flaws as an effective comic-relief simply because Ed is a beloved character appreciated by most of Sup Forums
It's more like Gir gets shit on by Sup Forums because teenage girls like him. Ed doesn't have a large teen girl fanbase so his random shit gets excused.

Good point on the Hanna-Barbera thing. But with your logic of good surreal humor always having a reason/context how do you excuse the pictured scene from Yellow Submarine? How are shoes with wings anything but random?

Fuck Tak, I want the Resisty to return. They were funny.
youtube.com/watch?v=9Gv_Dy0OB8g

Fun antagonist. Thought it was a shame that she didn't make a reappearance and give the show a reoccurring threat.

From what I understand Moore dose like his fans but hates cape fags

who's that?