This show is unwatchable garbage now

This show is unwatchable garbage now.

I'm still enjoying it. But it has issues that could easily be fixed.

This "save muh Iris" shit really needs to stop already.

It's not any worse than it was in season 2. And I think honestly even season 1 wasn't that great but at least there was the promise of future stuff to get excited over. Maybe it's just because that future stuff hasn't panned out so you're not excusing the flaws as much.

Writing is probably the biggest problem. They are simply not creative enough.

>now

>revive the most beloved villain on the season premiere of your show
>proceed to throw him to another show which literally no one watches
>never mention said popular villain again

WHAT THE FUCK were they thinking?

>now
Funny.

>Implying they have any say in it

LoT is something of a sinking ship and siphooning the most popular villains from the other shows into it was an attempt to salvage it.

Wasn't this the best cape show on TV? I remember this an insane amount of praise.

The best cape show is Powerless

I'm sorry, but there are so many things wrong with show, that I'm skeptical it'll ever improve at this point. For example, it's been 3 seasons and yet Barry still can't do shit by himself, can't even defeat a bad guy without having someone hold his end and whisper "Run, Barry, run"

The whole plot with the alternate Earths can be interesting but it falls flat because we never really get to see anything, just the same bad guys but from different universes.

The evil speedster meme needs to end. RF was the only evil speedster that made sense, Zoom was boring, Savitar, if you can even call that CGI failure a character, could've been interesting, and Alchemy too, but we don't really know much about him, nor will we, at the rate this is going.

They absolutely butchered the Rogues. I don't even want to think about it, because it makes me mad.

Everytime I hear about grandma Ester's noodles and eggnog, I throw up in my mouth a little.

Alchemy was so disappointing and trash
No transutation shit
He gives you powers or shoots lasers
oh and he works for another evil speedster, my dudes
nice fuckin work

Another one took it's place.

Shit, I fucking hate auto correct.

It used to be but couldn't keep up the pace.

In fact all cape television shows have gone pretty sour.

>DUDE TRIPPY IMAGERY LMAO

It's just average.

>grandma Ester's noodles and eggnog
Huh?

That's my point. All of that is due to not having talented writers. No one on that staff has any real ideas and they are ill-suited to be writing a hero who is stronger than street level.

Like you can look at Supergirl which isn't good either but at least she faces legitimate threats most of the time and doesn't literally need emotional help every episode. There is no reason Barry shouldn't at least have that much.

>muh Trump shaming, le evil white bogeyman oppressor show
Fuck off.

It was always garbage, critics are just idiots.

>now
what did he mean by this?

You're adorable.
Where do you think you are? Sup Forums was, and still is, behind hillary, champ.

>entire episode about scamming to get a deal done via cultural appropriation
>one Trump joke means that they hate white people

nah

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, CWshitter.
Your shit show was never ever good.

Superior show.

nah, season 1 had barry develop as a character into someone that legitimately loved being a hero and the presence of Reverse Flash helped the show stay focused in a way it hasn't since he died.

tooo cuuuute

LoT > FLash

It still is, but that's not really much of a praise.

That's what constitutes as a good show for you.
God, I hate this board and its absence of any kind of taste.
>I have no arguments, better shitpost
Just kill yourself.

kek

Even Gotham is better

I gave up 6 episodes into season 1. The dr. who rip off was fucking garbage at acting, and the entire show felt so fucking boring. I was going to give season 2 a try, but I heard "rip" comes back, so fuck that noise.

>not scottish
>not even tangentially tied to xmen
They tripped over the starting blocks.

You've said nothing that even deserves a counter argument. Stick to agents of whatever the fuck, sweetness.

Anyone else feel like all three seasons have had basically the same plot?

>Things are normal
>Suddenly something happens to make a lot of Metahumans
>Several episodes dealing with watered-down versions of the Rogues
>Evil Speedster appears
>"I have to get faster than Evil Speedster!"
>Evil Speedster is defeated

That's basically the norm of every show.

No, you're the only person who has noticed this.

>he doesn't watch LOT
sorry you're missing out on the best show of the dctv season mate.

>hawks and vandal, the weakest links of season 1, are gone and virtually never referred to
>vixen and steel are two solid additions to the cast, even if the romance shit is boring
>rip has been turned (temporarily) evil and is far more suited to the role
>instead of every episode being about the main plot like last season, this time we got more one-and-done episodes in the first half of the season that just has them going to some place.
>legion of doom is top-tier and had an episode to themselves to flesh out their dynamic
>best boy cold confirmed to be returning in the last three episodes of the season

the show makers learned their lesson about not taking their concept too seriously and it has been a blast. it's not a perfect show but i'm consistently more pleased by it than flash, which advertised a big gorilla army showdown and delivered nothing of the sort.

Correction: I've said nothing that can be countered because it's objective truth and denying that your garbage show was always a badly-written piece of shit with terrible characters, visuals and dialogue is like denying that Earth is round.
>you don't like what I like, you must like what I dislike
Do me a favor and get cancer. If anyone deserves it, it's people like you.

Rip is evil now so that's already a vast improvement.

Oh and acting. God, that shit is embarrasing.

So did grant gustin fuck your mother or something?

Legion is fucking great. Really not what I expected.

No, but you seem to have his cock in your mouth.

this show and arrow became progressively stupider after their first seasons and legends was stupid from the start

>That's basically the norm of every show that's gone to shit
There I fixed it for ya.

>Writing is probably the biggest problem. They are simply not creative enough.
I wonder how much is creativity and how much is budget/audience pandering? People are very stupid, remember.

I haven't seen it so I can't really tell. It felt really slow to me, does it get better?

It's awful but not slow.

The biggest example of future stuff not panning out is the Rogues forming.

It's more of a guilty pleasure for me. I pretty much hate everyone except for Julian and all the Wells. I love the major enemies like Eobard and Smart, but Legends took them. Now all that's left as Grodd.

it's by far the worst, Riverdale and Powerless are even more fun

Is Jessie the worst "hero"? Leaves her Earth defenceless because muh love.

...

>I CAN'T KILL THIS PSYCHIC APE
>but I have no problems pushing this former prowrestler into a nuclear oven

Flash season 1 was the only enjoyable season, and I think we give it more slack than Arrow because we we thought Barry would get more experienced and his villain roster would build up to The Rogues. How wrong we were. I fucking HATE this Barry Allen so goddamn much, I hate that there are a dozen people who know his identity, I hate that hes a fucking idiot and needs a home base team to do EVERYTHING, and I hate that its the same recycled shit over and over. Early on they had something, but they pissed it away and its on the same tier as fucking ARROW, which was never good to begin with, just Nolan Batman with a fresh coat of paint back in season 1

>Bring in Atom Smasher
>Kill the earth 1 equivalent so we never get the hero version
>Kill off Earth 2 Atom Smasher because fuck you, no redemption arc for him either
What in the hell was that shit?

>LoT
You mean, "the adventures of lesbian ninja captain who travels through time seducing historical female figures into degeneracy"?

>now
I told you fags it had gone to shit a few episodes into season 2, but no one listened.

The moment Barry's dad was released from jail, I knew the show would lose all its heart.

>I'll never kill grodd!
>but I WILL have a prison beneath my office and keep whomever I want there for however long I want
>also I want to marry the woman that has ostensibly been my sister for half my life

Yeah, such a moral compass, this allen.

All live action superhero shows are garbage. All CW shows are garbage. This board is going to complete shit and is becoming Sup Forums 2.0.

>release dad from jail
>"hey sorry barry I have to leave. Thanks though."
>"but why dad why"
>"Well I only have a 6 episode contract and the writers don't know what to do with me so see you after midseason"

Yeah the metahuman prison was really fucked up and they kind of glossed over the number of human rights violations they committed. I get it, it was the best solution at the time but jesus after the 3rd prisoner they really should have contacted some sort of authority

A rich person should have helped fund a meta prison in the months Barry was unconscious, shit makes no sense. They didn't think about world building at all.

They didn't even give those poor bastards a pot to piss in.

that was really weird, when they decided to make these things cgi-wise, they were just like we'll lock these people in a tiny box, that won't look weird to our audience at all.

The worst prisons in america or even central america have more accommodation than their prison. it's kind of hilarious.

She ain't related, it's fair game.

And they fed them nothing but fast food. Christ the horrifying thing is that those cells are basically solitary confinement. Do you know the psychological trauma that kind of thing does to a person, in a room that small too? If anything, Barry and the team further made these already dangerous people lunatics. If I was locked in that small box for god knows how long with no window or means to tell my family what happened to me, and I somehow got out, you bet your ass Id start shooting fireballs in the street

Even Iso-Cubes are a better prison.

>barry learns how to shake his face really fast and alter his voice in season 1 to keep his identity extra secret
>doesn't tell wally or jesse how to do it
>doesn't even do it himself much anymore

Is it really expensive cgi to make his face shake?

No, its just that CW writers stopped giving a fuck about a lot of stuff, including secret identities. Theres an average of 6 people hanging in STAR Labs telling Barry to run faster for christ sake

>Theres an average of 6 people hanging in STAR Labs telling Barry to run faster for christ sake
This is what pisses me off more than anything.

Barry is constantly learning shit that he knew how to do midway through season 1. There is literally no point to most of the STAR team.

They clearly don't get the secret identity concept anyway given the cheap drama they tried to mine from it.

to be fair the only person Barry ever put any effort into hiding his identity from was Iris. Everyone else from childhood bullies, to that dick at work who's possessed by an evil god of speed? He takes off his mask and has a heart to heart. He probably finds it weird more people don't know about Wally and Jesse.

Having the STAR Lab team was a mistake from the start. I get that they wanted a supporting cast, but comic Barry was a smart guy who could do things on his own, and knew basic science. CW is legitimately a fucking retard, and forgets half of his powers. Is it too hard for CW writers to write Barry keeping a secret identity?

There was literally nothing wrong with killing Grodd. Just get the government to put him down if you don't want to get your hands dirty. He fucking tried to nuke a city.

>barry you have to input ever possible combination of numbers in this metal gear to shut it down so your city isn't nuked
>yeah but couldn't I just phase it into pieces?
>THE NUMBERS BARRY THE NUMBERS

I was always bothered by the "just keep inputting passwords until it unlocks" super speed shit. Wouldnt Barry forget the combinations he tried? Wouldnt half of these highly secured panels lock him out after the 3rd failed attempt?

>My name is Barry Allen and I am the fifth fastest man alive
>Only I am fast enough to cheer Wally on as he beats Savitar for me

nah LoT still has a lot of retardedness and characters becoming intelligent/retarded as the plot demands it.


At least this season of Arrow has characters doing things that make some level of sense, while LoT characters just do things for literally no reason.

Gotham is great and really picks up by the end of season 1. Its actually the most comic accurate show in terms of tone, villains, motivations etc.


Only casual fags who are just like "BRUCE IS A KID SO ITS SHIT AND DOESNT MAKE SENSE" hate it.

Only people that like terrible tv like gotham...or any of these shows, really.

this is why season 1.B was best season.

Brute forcing a keypad like that you'd start at 0000 and just count up so he wouldn't lose track.

For sure he'd be locked out after a couple attempts though.

>but I WILL have a prison beneath my office and keep whomever I want there for however long I want

There was a canon Cisco blog that kind of addressed this. Apparently he made sure they got all the nutrition they needed, and had movie nights and shit to keep their minds stimulated.

Still fucked up though.

They made a point to say the launcher had no such fail safe.

Which I guess kind of makes sense, you'd never want authorized personnel to be locked out of stopping a nuclear launch, right?

Like many cw shows Flash, LoT, Arrow & supergirl suffer from forced drama plots and a ton of excecutive meddling. Unavoidably they become trash at some point. A writer might have an awesome idea for a story that could actually move the shows forward but CW has always been content with cheap ,easy to make drama bait. Take, gorilla city for example. Supposedly a major event, and what was the result? Nothing. Nothing changed.

Remember all of the hand wringing Barry had over killing

But he's been killing for years. Off the top of my head he's killed Atom-Smasher and Sand-Demon

I couldn't even get through season 1. Reverse Flash and the effects are top notch, but everything else is wishy washy teen drama crap.

I feel like live action in general has this problem where the writers don't really understand how to frame a takedown without a death or an active choice not to kill. Comic writers are just much more skilled in not having the question even come up unless that's the point of an arc.

Teen drama is the least of the show's problems

>Sup Forums hates on Flash while every AoS is an ever growing hype train

At what point did we fall into a split time line?

Not to mention even if barry is superfast, the computer input system shouldn't be able to keep up with the ridiculous fast pace of keyinput.

>to keep their minds stimulated.
kek, sounds like the labrats where I work.

Arrow, Supergirl and LoT are watchable though
Flash sucks so bad

Cute.

They could probably put his telepathy to good use.

Reverse Flash was great but don't forget about the hamminess that Wentworth Miller, Dominic Purcell and Mark Hamill brought to the table as iconic Rogues: Captain Cold, Heat Wave and Trickster. Not to mention the badass Liam McIntyre as Weather Wizard.

but bruce and his storyline are consistently the best part of the show.

hi Flashfag