Loki is shit

>Loki is shit
>Ultron is shit
>Apocalypse is shit
>Steppenwolf is shit

Why is it so hard to create a villain who fights against a group of superheroes? Do you think Thanos deliver?

We have Doctor Doom but no one knows how to execute him.

No back story
all motivation is i gotta do conquer world
stupid ass armor designs cgi effects and no where near actual designs

they will be done correct when some one realizes these are cartoons and not actual movies so dont go realistic or super armorized cgi take on them but instead their silly designs. Those villains are 2d cartoon villains with 20 min episodes of course they wont be entartaining for 2.30 hour movies

>why is it so hard to create a villain who fights against a group of superheroes?
No sense of tension. The heroes are superhuman and never get badly hurt. They heal themselves. They come back from the dead. They travel through time. You can't make a villian look threatening when the audience knows there will no be consequences to his actions.

The robots in Days of Future past were also great villians because they actually seemed threating. The main issue is that these cinematic universe don't want money makers dying. Should just go the winter soldier route and have no tangible villian. Though I guess they tried that in civil war and it was a fucking mess

>Loki is shit
You're shit

Also Zemo was pretty great in Civil War

Because Superhero power-levels fluctuate so much that a villain stronger than all of them is impossible to put to screen. So instead they power-down all the heroes and make the villain no more powerful than any other. So it always ends up underwhelming as fuck.

Take Thanos for example, he's gonna end up getting all the infinity stones but then what? We've already seen one stone be used to wipe out an entire planet, the stakes don't get any higher than that. Putting the power-level of the completed gauntlet to screen is literally not possible because by all rights it should be incomprehensible.

>Why is it so hard to create a villain
not difficult at all.
Hollywood sucks

>Do you think Thanos deliver?
You kidding? If they managed to turn Ragnarok into a shit show, there's 100% chance that they will turn Thanos into the butt of a joke.

>Zemo
Largely forgettable, riding on the back of a script that '''''''''''''made'''''''''''' Tony and Cap fight because it was obvious they would fight because of Civil War.

Doctor Doom mainly works because of context, and how others react to him, rather than anything he does himself.

Galactus when?

Gotg 2 had some interesting villans debeki and kurtbrussels ego did a good job.

I miss fun villains and not the dumb le I meant to get caught it was all part of my plan tweest I'm really the bad guy kinda ones

Zemo is literally just a device so the heroes can blame everything on some guy and pretend they never had any fundamental differences of opinion, all so they can quickly team up again for the next cash cow team-up movie.

Well Thanos is going to kill main characters so that should help

outside of being a qt Debicki was a shit villain. They did the Marvel thing and couldn't let a single scene pass without turning her into a joke.

Zod and Luthor are two of the best villains ever in a cape movie.

Thought Ego felt the same as basically every other marvel villian desu, they just upped the quipping

You just know that every single MCU actor who receives a copy of the Infinity War script is praying that Thanos kills them so they can finally be free from their soul-sucking franchise.

People critize the destruction of the city and killing millions but it was probably the only thing that made zod interesting. Luther on the other hand was terribly acted and the lines like
>We've evacuated the city
kinda ruined him, also the fact that his plan was dumb

Yeah getting millions of dollars to do fucking nothing must be horrible

He was pretty good, but the fact that he was the one who gave Peter's mom cancer was retarded. The guy was already trying to wipe out the entire galaxy why isn't that enough to get Peter to want to stop him.
Not to mention the fact that he was already millions of years old, could he really not wait the 50 or so years for her to die naturally? Or just take Peter while she was still alive?

The problem is that movie/television villains no longer even remotely compare to our real life villains

>Do you think Thanos deliver?
Given that he's a Marvel villain, probably not. Then again, Hela was good.

Easy way to do a decent movie villain but it'd only work in a sequel

>make one of the heroe's the villain
>make him a reluctant villain so the audience and heroes can sympathise
>no redemption arc whatsoever, he's a villain and stays a villain
>make the option of detaining the villain unavailable, execution is the only option
>villain understands his fate but still tries to make his old team see his way of thinking

basically Ozy from the Watchmen comic (in the film he came off emotionless and more cartoony)

>Luthor

That guy that hated powerful aliens and then he made a more powerful and uncontrollable alien to get rid of him. What a genius.

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Except thats not the case at all. Just look at behind the scenes stuff on set. Every single one of em has changed their tunes about leaving MCU since RDJ forced Disney to pay actors.

Luthor had a pretty fucking solid plan. I'm not yet convinced we're not still seeing it.

>to do fucking nothing
If by that you mean "chain yourself to a creatively bankrupt children's franchise that obliges you to act, train, promote and tour in aid of terrible movies 24/7" then sure.

I liked Zemo because he wasn't a big strong guy who punches the good guys/gets punched by the good guys. He's a schemer who is also able to come up with stuff on the fly and indirectly hurt his foes, which is also why he's the only villain to have ever really "won" to any extent in the MCU.

Not to mention their characters are beloved, especially by children. It'd be amazing to be a superhero to kids.

The main characters don't give a shit about the money any more; they've got so much of it it doesn't even matter. RDJ and Evans are constantly hinting that they're going to drop out at the first possible opportunity.

be careful, you'll trigger poltards

Loki was extremely weak and underwhelming. How could he hope to defeat the Avengers when he can't even beat Thor alone? In the end, he got beat by Hulk under 5 seconds. At least Zemo managed to succeed in his objective somewhat.

Yeah, being forced to live a squeaky-clean life whilst under constant scrutiny and being required to meet the expectations of every single snot-nosed child and stranger must be such fun.

Man, you're so pathetic.

Not who you're replying to, but imo Loki and Obadiah are the two most passable villains the MCU delivered. The former for laughs and the other for shock. Ever since the end of their phase one, MCU villains have been increasingly getting shit because the movies can get away with it. Whedon tried again with Ultron, but the character fell victim to the pressure of writing a decent MCU villain.

#resist

The first avengers movie was just to introduce the team, they gave so little thought to villian and cgi robot men that it didn't matter

Loki in the first Thor movie was pretty good since his motivations were very personal.

>Ever since the end of their phase one, MCU villains have been increasingly getting shit

Yeah no, not really no.

I guarantee you the Avengers frontrunners will break free the first chance they get (in most cases, when the Infinity War two-parter ends).

Yep. Vulture is a top tier villain. And really, most the phase one villains were forgettable.

The Phase 3 villains are slightly better than the Phase 2 ones, but nothing's come close to Phase 1.

Having a back story doesn't matter, look at the Joker

If they didn't fucking kill their villains in one movie with some of them, they could have been fucking great

Namely Red Skull, Ronan, Ultron, Obidiah

Spidermans villians are typically pretty good though because they're led by relateable personal flaws and never go too big

We need some cunt who just LOVES being evil. Someone like the Emperor in star wars.

I liked McMahon's Doom

Yeah they all have pretty good back stories but let's not pretend that Marvel didn't nail the Vulture completely because no matter how iconic and grounded your characters are, there is always a million ways to fuck it up.

The Joker only works without a backstory because he's such a ubiquitous comic book character and is embedded in the public psyche. Same could be said of several other 'main' Batman villains - The Riddler, The Penguin etc.
Nobody other than comic book geeks knows anything about 80-90% of the MCU villains. The movie actually has to establish why you should give a shit about them.

TFW Based Ward checks all of those

>Do you think Thanos deliver?
No. They'll just make him a generic cosmic warlord. Thanos on paper isn't even an interesting villain, the most interesting aspect is his love interest and even that plays a minute role. It's his drive in The Infinity Gauntlet but it stays firmly in the background.

At best we'll get a sense of him becoming the best warlord because he was chasing death but was too good at what he did, and when he's finally defeated he'll say something like, "At last, we meet."

Best MCU villain

>story
Red Skull you can bring back
Ronan is gone (too bad, he had potential)
Ultron can be brought back, with a tease at the end of IW, with the promise he'll be serious this time, like the one people wanted from the trailer
Obidiah sorta has a replacement with Hammer if that's where they want to go

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Who?

>Red Skull
They didn't kill that one. He was left open, to have an easy way why he can easily still be around when Captain America comes back in modern day.

Problem is that Hugo Weaving hated it, and doesn't really want to play the character and go through all that make-up again. Technically Marvel could force him since he'd be contractually obligated, but you're not going to get a good performance out of someone who doesn't want to do it, so they just dropped it.

Because a compelling villain has to be menacing and seemingly invincible so they pose a neigh insurmountable challenge, which in Hollywood terms translates into overpowered.

But then they have to lose without actually hurting anyone which necessitates contrived convenience writing so the imbecilic and infantile audience can feel all warm and fuzzy inside before they go back to consuming deep fried butter sticks and a gallon of coke.

Since everyone knows that turns every movie to complete garbage right away, Cancerwood focuses on inter-hero "conflict" set against the backdrop of a cardboard cutout villain because it's less shitty than the alternative.

>Spidermans villians are typically pretty good

your inferior memory is dismembered, earthling

Who is the first villain of the 2010s and why is it General Zod?

>gets his ass handed to him in the scene he's introduced in
>good villain
pick one

this

Kingpin was very good, but I found Violet Guy more compelling

It's not that MCU won't even take risks with bringing these villains back, they won't remotely budge from their comfort zones

Ultron AND Vision should have both been played by Paul Bettany, as well as making him more of a reluctant villain who only wants to wipe humanity out to keep Planet Earth safe

Red Skull was too many movies back for people to care anymore, Winter Soldier and Civil War overshadowed First Avenger heavily so normies don't really care about him coming back

RDJ is starting to get on so I doubt Hammer will come back at all since there might not be another Iron Man

RIP Ronan, one of the best villains Marvel could have had :(

>Do you think Thanos deliver?
Can someone explain to me what the appeal is of a character like Thanos? From what I understand he's just a generic evil space asshole with ridiculous power levels the writers pull out of their asses. What exactly do people expect him to 'deliver', outside of being a saturday morning cartoon baddie?

the only reason pussy Superman won is because the director was a cheating Jew

>Earthling
>not squalor

You are ineloquent, unsure of yourself.

If Ragnarok is known as the Nordic Apocalypse, then Thanos must be teh god of death in the MCU, amirite? xDD

>reveal the villain as a sympathetic character who was tortured
>torture him some more
>act validated and justified when he gets even eviller and escapes
In the second half of the show, it felt like he existed solely for the main character's yass slay queen moments.

HNNNNNG. She was definitely the best secondary villain, clearly outshining Zod at times.

Every single Spider-Man villain is either "smug and/or angry cunt gets animal-like gimmick powers" or "smug and/or angry cunt is like an evil Spider-Man"

The only aliens Luthor hates are the ones who refuse to play the part of villain for him.

Yeah, Zod exterminating all life on the planet would have been a hit at the box office and ensured a stellar future for the franchise.

Her little smirk before she massacres literally every soldier she touches makes me diamonds every time.

>*the cube refuses to do anything because it's enjoying twinkies*
>The cube refuses to obey because it's enjoying twinkies!
What did Marvel/Hostess mean by this

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Yeah, he escaped and was recaptured way too often

>dumb le I meant to get caught it was all part of my plan
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Why was she so based, user?

UNTERMENSCH

WHY DO YOU STRUGGLE FOR GREATNESS

WHEN YOU CANNOT CULL THE WEAK

I will cry the day that they do Dr. Doom in theaters and I'm never going to check into it

She was unrepentant killer whose powers were shown in an awesome fashion

because they wont make him an anti hero

It's the execution. He was a massive brute archetype who subverted it by also being incredibly smart. His motivations were also pretty unconventional, instead of wanting destruction for destruction's/creation's sake, conquest, etc. he just wanted to get laid, and his love interest was the personification of Death.

His writing arguably peaked with the Infinity Gauntlet arc. There's a little prequel thing where he goes around the universe in an almost Greek-style epic to challenge various super powerful entities to claim infinity gems from them. It's just in the writing, the way he acts and speaks, that sells him as a character. You really get a sense of "larger than all life" character.

Since then writers tried to tack on shit to Thanos, overcomplicating what is otherwise a really simple character idea.

Shannon is monstrous, lol.

>tv shows
>MCU
>CANON
AHAHAHAHAHA

>Do you think Thanos deliver?
>Will the invincible all powerful Thanos who wants to impress death by killing half the life in the universe with a snap of his fingers, defeats everything the heroes and their cosmic friends throw at him and yet miraculously loses and witnessess his acts being undone because the source of his power is taken from him in a moment of gloating be a compelling villain.

Yes, absolutely. He'll set a new standard for quips.

>Dr Strange hates aliens and tries to get them out of Earth
>is viewed as a hero
>Lex Luthor hates aliens and tries to get them out of Earth
>is viewed as a villain

Luthor did nothing wrong.

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A good villian has a good motive. Zod wanted to save his people and was willing to destroy others to save them.

Villians that are generically evil for the sake of being evil are not only uninteresting but unrealistic.

A villian must have emotion, he must believe he's the good guy. And more importantly, the movie goer must also question weather the villian is all that bad as well.

Also, there must be sacrifice. I don't wanna watch 2 super beings fighting in an unpopulated town. I wanna watch the stakes rise. People must be on the line. Families, children. I wanna be invested

Steppenwolf wasn't shit. Way better than Loki, Ultron, and Apocalypse

Zemo is so far the best MCU villain

>Watching Batman v Superman with my dad in the theater
>He's noticeably uncomfortable
>Scene where Lex licks a jolly rancher and rubs it over another man's lips starts
>"It's cherry xDD"
>Dad sighs loudly
>mfw

I thought Tim Roth was an awesome bad guy in Incredible Hulk, pity everything else about the film sucks.

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>mcu villain

he has no part on mcu (thank god), but i agree, he's an excelent villain.

Name a better villain than Yoshikage Kira. Go ahead, I'll wait.