All the trolling and Disney bullshit aside, who the fuck thought this was a good way to advance the setting?

All the trolling and Disney bullshit aside, who the fuck thought this was a good way to advance the setting?

Nothing changed. Empire still there but with new name. Rebellion still there but with new name. New Republic gets vaporized in one short scene. Han fucked off to do pointless shit until he's needed in the movie. Luke fucked off after one mistake. Millions of ex-Empire followers are now suddenly following some mutated dude in a cape for no reason. Gravity wells suddenly no longer affect hyperdrives.

Jesus fuck, it's just painful to think about.

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jar jar abrahms, he wanted a reboot

This cunt thinks she's smart an all. She used a Hollywood she-boot formula, the same that turned out so successfully to Ghostbusters.

As stupid the non-development is in the movie, it's a fun experience diving into the lore they tried to come up with to explain why the setting is the way it is.

>One of the first things the New Republic did was to get rid of the Imperial Army and Imperial Navy
>This is why the Resistance has nothing better than Fighters

>In their Infinite Wisdom, the New Republic decided to go back to the demilitarized state that was a symptom of the hubris of the Old Republic instantly, putting themselves in the exact exposed state that allowed Palpatine to prey on them, force them to use an the clones, and unknown variable, and be subject to a total coup

Abrams is a hack. Never pay to see his work in the theater. If you are curious about what happens, then wait for television.

That never happened though. You literally see New Republic fleet in orbit when Starkiller blows up Hosnian or whatever it was called.

>whole fleet in one literally who system

youtube.com/watch?v=I7jTfgXfaCU

Disney retards had an occasion to have Star Wars with more than a handful of Jedi and Sith and they fucked up.

why do people do this if literally everyone says its shit ? and im talking about the niggers being in movies where there isnt a need for them women being casted as stronk rolemodels in sw. ask 1000 people and all 1000 will say its a shit idea. so wtf ?

Well, they have some left. You see a battle in TLJ PV.

>New Republic gets vaporized in one short scene.
This annoyed me. Those planets looked cool, we could have at least seen more of them before they got fried.

That's supposedly though most of their fleet.
Remember that the Imperial Navy could keep the entire Galaxy in check, and the Republic had no response after those ships were taken out.

And if they did, then the Resistance wouldn't have had to do anything beyond turning off the shield, since Starkiller Base's weak-point was literally a surface structure, so an orbital bombardment would have destroyed it.

>ask 1000 people and all 1000 will say its a shit idea

I wanted a female lead. Shitloads of SW fans I know wanted a female lead.

But we wanted anime style female lead not this fucking "I know everything and can anything" bullshit.

Mmmm big titties

Resistance exists because Empire Remnants still hold like 30% of the old Empire. Including most of core worlds. First Order is a different thing. They are Empire loyalists who fucked off to unknown regions to build new Empire after politicians signed ceasefire with New Republic.

If that's so, that would have been a useful thing for the first movie in the trilogy to make literally any mention of.

>Dude they hated politics in PT so no politics ever ok!

And now next movie will need to explain fucking everything.

Sequel should have been animated. Something like this would have been neat. See the heroes of the OT lay down the foundations of the New Republic and battle the remnants of the Galactic Empire.
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The newly announced trilogy could have been live-action and followed the adventures of Rey. By that point remaking the OT would have been less off-putting. They could have even inverted. The New Republic has a superweapon and the rebels (individuals still loyal to the memory of the Empire) hijacks or destroys it.

>Implying things will be explained
>Ever
>Implying they didn't just announce the new Trilogy as a way to pre-empt people demading answers, laying the idea in people's heads that if questions aren't answered, it's because it will be answered in the next 4 movies sometime, with the same excuse Force Awakens got, and off of which Lost managed to balance its train wreck of an overarching story

hey george

look at the size, that's the rebel fleet 2.0

an animated dark empire is what I wanted

lol no, theres no remnant in the new canon, that's too smart

>look at the size, that's the rebel fleet 2.0

You have no sense of scale, a galaxy is a big place to police and even if the Republic Fleet had 100 cruisers that was nothing compared to the thousands upon thousands of Star Destroyers the Empire had at its height.

The Resistance and The First Order are the leftover scraps of Galactic Civil War fighting it out for dominance.

>an animated dark empire is what I wanted
>gets mad for TFA rehashing the setting of the OT and not
>wants an adaptation of the story that brought Sheev back to life five times and turned Luke to the dark side (JUST A PRANK BRO)

Hahaha holy shit you are delusional. The First Order is better than the remnant because it actually takes the Imperial Remnant idea from an interesting angle; they're all insecure manchildren trying and failing to imitate the Empire to make up for their own deficiencies. I guess Thrawn, le ebin literal art of war man deriving strategy from paintings and building a clone named LUUUUUUUUUUUUUke would have been a better choice too lmao

>ask 1000 people and all 1000
Nice assumption, im sure if you use a proper sample size of the general population this would be far from true. There's also this thing whereas instead of arguing with your feelings, you can look at objective reality and see that TFA was the highest grossing film of all time so clearly that many ppl didnt care about a black and female lead.

There are remnants. It's canon in Disney books. But in TLJ they will probably mention how they all joined First Order or something.

>An organic continuation of the story is worse than shamelessly rehashing it under the guise of a sequel
Go away, Kennedy.

>trying and failing to imitate the Empire

They build a Death Star like 30 times larger than first one and exploded galaxy capital.

thrawn is not from dark empire you disney shill

and you are not geting the point, jj wanted a reboot so he destroyed the whole new republic fleet so we would get another rebel fleet vs mighty empire
I mean the first order literally build the starkiller base, how dumb can you be to buy that? tfa is worthless

>>wants an adaptation of the story that brought Sheev back to life five times and turned Luke to the dark side
luke did what he need to do to save the new republic he didn't fall to the dark side for nothing, and he was curious about what his father did what he did, it was totally logical
and palpatine only resurrected two times, and it makes sense, we see force ghosts in the OT, how farfetched would it be that you could posses one of your clones with your ghost, you know clones? you know darth plagueis? it made the whole sense, dark side was always about eternity

I know thrawn isn't from dark empire you dipshit, he's just another example of awful shit from the EU fanboys praise as good

and making a bigger and betterer Death Star is still less egregious than literally bringing Sheev back to life and turning Luke to the dark side when literally his entire arc in RotJ was ultimately rejecting Sheev's influence. and wasn't Dark Empire about a resurgent Empire after every previous work depicted the Remnant as gradually losing ground? Sounds like more of a rehash than TFA honestly

EU was garbage. But the way things are going Disney SW won't be any better.

>I know thrawn isn't from dark empire you dipshit, he's just another example of awful shit from the EU fanboys praise as good
Disney used him pretty effectively. Too bad Rebels is awful.
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>There's also this thing whereas instead of arguing with your feelings, you can look at objective reality and see that TFA was the highest grossing film of all time
If you could be objective you'd admit this box office succes relied entirely on brand recognition. That's why Disney paid $4 billions just to use the brand. If JJ Abrams was capable of making a $2 billions movie on his own, why didn't he do it ? Besides, Disney was expecting more than that, they didn't managed to beat Avatar who was a completely new movie who didn't rely on nostalgia and brand name.

>hurr the movie wouldn't have made as much money if it were a different movie

you sound more and more just like an asspained EUdrone upset he wasted time writing book reports in middle school because they're no longer """canon"""

TFA grossed more than Avatar domestically, but I suppose that again is due to brand recognition. That said, Avatar was a gimmick movie because it was the first genuinely 3D film and it tapped into anti-American imperialist sentiment at the time overseas.

>TFA was the highest grossing film of all time

It wasn't even close to that.

And even fucking Phantom Menace made tons of $. It's all about brand. Look how many trash movies it took DC to ruin a brand.

TFA was a good movie to watch if you don't give a shit about Star Wars but if you do it pretty much ruined the setting.

The fact that it didn't do good in countries where SW wasn't that big should tell you everything about how good it really was.

>they're all insecure manchildren trying and failing to imitate the Empire

the issue here is that they are this, and at the same moment better.
Is just shit writing.

it wasn't a rehash
in dark empire, the empire survived in the center of the galaxy building better weapons like the world devastators
in the rest of the galaxy the new republic gained ground cause the empire was fighting itself over who was in charge
and the emperor surving is the whole objective of the sith
they have always wanted to live forever, the whole point is that jedis do it naturally when they die but they never can enter a new body, they are eternal but outside their bodies while the sith want eternal life in the flesh
what would be the point of the dark side if not eternal life? shooting bolts? dark empire made all the sense of the world

>entire arc in RotJ was ultimately rejecting Sheev's influence
yes but after seeing that he came back from the death he falls to the dark side to learn the secrets and he does, he destroys the clones of the emperor

How unfortunate that JJ Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy sidelined Leia in the Force Awakens. In The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, she was implied by Yoda, Luke and Vader to have *As Much* potential in the Force as Luke (a potential that was actually explored in the Expanded Universe novels). If JJ Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy wanted to actually show a female Force user and develop alternative perspectives on the nature of the Force, they should have used Leia. As a diplomat, leader, and mother, she could have used and been guided by the Force in ways we've not seen onscreen yet. Mediating disputes between contentious factions after the fall of the Empire. Inspiring hope, courage and forgiveness in those who follow her. Drawing on the selfless maternal instinct to protect and sacrifice for her children. These are just several new and compelling ways Leia could have demonstrated how the Light Side of the Force can be used for good.

What a shame JJ Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy did Leia and Carrie Fisher such a disservice. Instead of developing a beloved and classic character in a way that elevated the story and universe of Star Wars, they took a page from fanfiction.net and inserted Rey.

Now Carrie Fisher is dead, and their failure is complete.

>and the emperor surving is the whole objective of the sith
>they have always wanted to live forever, the whole point is that jedis do it naturally when they die but they never can enter a new body, they are eternal but outside their bodies while the sith want eternal life in the flesh
>what would be the point of the dark side if not eternal life? shooting bolts? dark empire made all the sense of the world

this is all just mental gymnastics and in-universe loredump to try to justify bringing back the recognizable bad guy

at least NuDisney didn't have the gall to try to bring back Sheev or Vader for easy money

They didn't say shit about that in the movie. So it's all garbage and made up bullshit. If it ain't in the movie, it's simply some overlooked simplification.

Star Wars movie universe is easily one of the most pathetic universes around.

No sane does, this movie was lazy from a production standpoint. Jar Jar Abrams threw away all of the cool and new designs the more talented artist than him did and replace with red armband tie fighters and x-wings that don't look much different. Fuck him

They couldn't because Fisher was a terrible actress.

I huge reason the movie did so well is that it received good reviews, and despite the black and female lead most ppl seemed not to care and enjoyed the movie and would then go on to recommend it to their friends.

>TFA was a good movie to watch if you don't give a shit about Star Wars but if you do it pretty much ruined the setting.
Again arguing from your feelings, if you leave the Sup Forums circle jerk you'll find that most star wars fans loved the movie and were relieved it wasnt shit like the phantom menace

JJ is a good action director. He could make a fine original movie.

The problem is he's terrible at handling franchises with established canon because for him none of this shit matters. All that matters is the movie. If something would fuck up canon but look good in his mind he'll do it without doubt.

Giving him Star Trek and Star Wars was idiotic.

it's not the recognizable bad guy, he's the bad guy, star wars is not marvel or dragon ball in wich a new more powerful enemy appears everytime you kill one you know
the EMPIRE, the EMPEROR, oh he fell down a tube, guess we will have to made a new sith now, that's not what star wars is about
the emperor was the strongest sith in existence and it had to survive, to show what the darkside really was, but you just want it to be bolts, something vader didn't even have

Besides how shit-tier the movie/plot/characters/etc themselves are, this is what annoys me the most about TFA and this sequel trilogy.
It completely retroactively removes the feeling of finale from ROTJ and by extension the entire star wars story. Both in terms of the overall plot of defeating the empire and restoring the republic, as well as the smaller-scale stories of Luke, Han, Leia, etc.

>b-b-but it's more realistic! The empire wouldn't actually be defeated just because the emperor died!
Who gives a fuck? It's supposed to be a hero's journey fantasy tale with a nice happy ending. I don't fucking want "GRRM-style realism". It completely defeats the entire purpose of the original movies.

star wars fans loving anh reboot in wich you can pass a planetary shield with lightspeed, making all the movies pointless
lol no

I think that has more to do with China and Latin America never seeing the original trilogy and their first exposure to star wars was the prequels

no one would have given a shit about the prequels either if it wasn't for memories of the OT

>most star wars fans loved the movie

Nope. New SW """fans""" liked it. Real SW fan communities and forums are shitting on it's story.

RO was liked by SW fans.

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rogue one was liked by wikifags who think the quality of a star wars movie is how many new ships and planets are added for them to write wookiepedia articles about because they use the Star Wars universe as a means of escapism, documenting a fictional universe to escape from their own boring lives

people who actually enjoy Star Wars because they're real movies that make you feel things enjoyed TFA

>if you leave the Sup Forums circle jerk you'll find that most star wars fans loved the movie
kek, I guess you come from r/starwars circlejerk

Dude, she was a goddamn mummy when they were making TFA.

I totally agree with that. It completely shits on the original arc (3 or 6 movies, in base of your tastes).

>luke finds jedis and create the new jedi order
>leia is a jedi
>we get to see nar shadaa
>the world devastators
>the planet byss of the emperor
>new ships in both sides
>the empire atacking one of their planet factories cause they are now selling weapons to the new republic
>lando makes an atack that ends up in failure
>the emperor galactic gun destroys the base
>the darksiders
how was it a reharsh?

The kind that liked TFA are "fans" who saw original movies maybe twice and never gave a crap about anything else SW.

Like RLM fags.

>Shitloads of SW fans I know wanted a female lead.
We both know you are lying dude.

Nobody gave a fuck about that let alone asked for it.
Specially neckbears when they are the ones who made disney billions with their shit.

what did tfa make you feel? that a girl would drive the millenium falcon better than han solo?
that she could use the force with no one to teach her?
that the rebel fleet would've destroyed both death stars with a small fighter flying at lightspeed?

I liked RO for the drama and desperate situation, the struggle.
It really shows that the "standard" situation is the empire crushing you.
You can have a little victory against such difficult odds, but you have to eran it and at great losses. Is the opposite of the lack of sense of danger that this kind of movies have nowadays, TFA included.
This, acknowledging that the movie has huge issues and starts to "work" in the middle at best.

>no one would have given a shit about the prequels either if it wasn't for memories of the OT
Yet nobody is pretending they are good just because they made a lot of money like Disneyfags are doing with TFA. But I really predict a quick dive at the BO this time. The SW fatigue has already started kicking in, the fags are confused with these spin offs. And TFA was so bad, they don't even remember anything about it.

exactly

RO does not cheapen the achievements of Han, Luke and Leia. It makes them more special.
TFA ruins them.

Not really. Nerds fucking love sexy female leads. They play them in MMO's for over a decade. I hated how gay PT was.

Sad.

>they're real movies that make you feel things.
Stop it, is fucking embarrassing by this point.

Lets just agree they both NU-SW films suck and leave it at that.

>why do people do this if literally everyone says its shit ?

Hollywood is sold on the idea that fanboys will turn out for these genre franchise movies en masse, regardless of their quality or respect for the original material.

With this in mind, Disney is making a hard pivot in marketing the Star Wars brand. They'll say something along the lines of "We want to bring the magic of a Galaxy Far Far Away to new and diverse audiences". That's corporate for "We want to double our target demographic by making the brand appealing to girls."
Part of this pivot is obviously the inclusion and elevation of female characters (Rey, Jyn, Mandalorian Girl from Rebels, the main character from Battlefront II) and including girls in product commercials.
But a less obvious part is shedding the image of Star Wars as being the domain of autistic boys fussing over the details of the universe and technology. This is done more subtly: decanonizing the EU, redefining the nature of the Force, diminishing the importance of the OT and PT, making SW games more casual, and picking "fan" spokespersons who fit a more hip and appealing image.

The net effect for longtime fans is that the nuSW universe feels lesser and unfamiliar.

RO also shows that Rebels can be assholes. And shows you a day from imperial officer point of view. And real war in SW universe.

SW fans asked for shit like this since forever.

It was so fucking annoying when RLM retards were doing their "and I can finally take SW seriously now" shit in their terrible review. Fans are taking it seriously for decades you fucking fat retards.

>And TFA was so bad, they don't even remember anything about it.

you don't have to personally enjoy TFA but to pretend the consensus is that it was bad is pure delusion motivated by intellectual dishonesty, contrarianism, and too much exposure to the Sup Forums circlejerk

honestly I don't find Rogue One a completely unsalvageable movie, it has a lot of good ideas; I really liked the angle of seeing how normal, non-Jedi people believe in and interact with the Force and seeing a darker side to the Rebel Alliance

it's just a really, really fucking boring movie with paper thin characters until they try to force you to care by throwing the big battle scene at you in the end

>a bloo bloo muh headcanon muh powerlevels

I enjoyed that TFA was a story about the power of belief and self-confidence showing you can move mountains, which is what Star Wars was always about at its core before EU and Prequelfags shat everything up with powerlevel wanking, which is exactly what you're doing, complaining that Rey was too powerful for her midichlorian count and being upset she upstaged Han Solo in one scene.

The Force Awakens is a poorly paced, rehash of a much better film starring a Mary Sue and other non-characters. It's what Ghostbusters II is to Ghostbusters (1984).

You might be asking "why do they have to change everything, why not just keep the EU and add some female characters?"

Because trying to attract new (casual) fans to an established franchise can be challenging, especially trying to bring them to one as old and intricate as the Star Wars universe. Disney doesn't want their new female demographic put off by a backlog of games and books because:
(A) that media is already in circulation and it's hard to make money off merchadise that's freely available in libraries and among friends
(B) that much lore presents a steep learning curve to new fans.

It's not fun to be constantly corrected by "Well, Actually..." or to have your nerd cred measured based on encyclopedic knowledge of obscure facts from the Expanded Universe.
So Disney solved this challenge by negating and replacing the EU. Now when a nu-fan is confronted by an obscure fact
>(the Rebel mission to steal the Death Star plans involved Kyle Katarn and Havet Storm. It took place on Toprawa. Facet Anamor was the daughter the superweapon's designer: Druth)

they just chuckle "lol, Nope, non-canon"
>(now the Rebel mission to steal the Death Star plans involved Captain Cassian, took place on Scariff, and Jyn Erso is the daughter of the superweapon's designer: Galen).
This levels the playing field. Signaling a high level of fandom today simply requires buying into the latest line of merchadise or keeping up to date on the latest trickle of hints and sneak peaks carefully released by the studio.

>dude like the force can make you the best pilot in a ship you never drive before
so that's how the new star wars fans are huh?

>poorly paced

oh yes, another child who has only seen the special edition version of ANH who doesn't understand that Star Wars is fast paced by design and thinks a lack of """worldbuilding""" is genuine criticism and not EU autism

>ignoring baby anakin piloting the Naboo Starfighter and accidentally blowing up the Trade Federation ship
>ignoring Luke piloting a military grade aircraft in zero-g when his only experience was flying in-atmo crop dusters

It's competently made and well paced. And looks great.

The problems are the plot and characters.

While this is true i don't think this was done merely for marketing reasons.
Or else how do you explain that disney other big franchise Marvel, still keeps males as the center stars?.

If they really wanted to make women go see it they would have hired some sexy motherfucker like Chris Hemsworth and have him do a shirtless scene. Instead, they get Boyega...

It was not a surprise when they Rey merchandising didn't sold well. They have marketing studies up the ass even before they released that movie.

But dood, Star Wars™ was a dead brand that no one had any faith in. That's why Disney™ had to soft reboot the series so that both the casuals and hardcore fanbase would be interested in Star Wars™ again.

>Star Wars is fast paced by design
in wich universe? how was empire strikes back, a new hope or return of the jedi fastpaced?

>people who actually enjoy Star Wars because they're real movies that make you feel things enjoyed TFA
TFA is cold, soulless product. Is not a movie.
How the fuck can you think that is beyond me.

>ignoring baby anakin piloting the Naboo Starfighter and accidentally blowing up the Trade Federation ship

Yeah, Disney movies may be shit but PT was even worse. Boba Fett army really takes the cake.

but that's way more explainable than what rey did

>It's competently made.
>Bad plot and characters.

user i-

he actually hates the clones
lmao

On a technical level. Director didn't write the plot.

Only retarded babies like them. How many plastic lightsabers do you have?

It's almost as if film is a visual medium and how the movie is actually shot and edited makes a big deal in how it's received and its overall quality. TFA is well-made from a technical standpoint, while the prequels are a mess of boring, sterile direction and overbloated early CGI that makes the films ugly as sin.

That said I think the characters of TFA are great and the only real criticism of the movie is how it hems a little close to the plot structure of the original film, which I don't think is in and of itself a damnable offense considering George was already hooked on poetry in the prequels

>Hey remember Boba Fett? You liked him right?!
>Here, all clones in Clone Wars were actually him!
>Awesome isn't it?!

And people blame Disney for nostalgia whoring.

Rey never fly a ship in her entire life, Anakin was a pod racer. They both suck but Anakin flying a Naboo starfighter with R2 helping makes way more sense then a poor desert girl flying a ship perfectly out of nowhere

>it says in muh disney book that she fly in imperial holograms

George didn't make people buy books to explain some basic like this

Only major differences, besides those cosmetic in nature or the infamous Han shot first scene, is the inclusion of the Jabba sequence (which is redundant and should be cut) and Biggs Darklighter sequence. Nice try though.

>George didn't make people buy books to explain some basic like this

He literally did though.

>dude TFA is a rehash lmao
>the prequels were so original lmao

>but dude Boba Fett was in background of four scenes in ESB and RotJ but he sold a lot of action figures so the clone wars were fought by clones of boba fett made from a clone of boba fett and he's now the most important person in the universe next to space jesus vader

The clones have a neat aesthetic design that's unfortunately ruined by them being entirely CGI

>clones
>lightsabers

what better clone that the best bounty hunter?

They also made no fucking sense. Did Kamino fags build their ships and weapons too? They are listed as Kuat products in canon for Christ's sake. So Kuat was on this whole secret clone army shit?

Nothing in PT makes fucking sense.

What questions that aren't really worth answering did George make people buy ancillary shit to explain what was happening in the prequels? He explain as much as he needed to in the movies and that's why people bitch and moan about the TPM having boring political talk. Again Rey flying the Falcon as good as Poe flying his x-wing is just plain bullshit.

>On a technical level. Director didn't write the plot.
Actually JJ Abrams wrote this turd along Kasdan, that old hack. As for the technical level, the picture is the generic teal/orange grade from any blockbuster. The dogfights were videogame cutscenes with unrealistic flying and ships that can slam onto the ground at high speed and remain intact. Even videogames add damage to your vehicule now, but not TFA. All the CGI battles were extremely generic and unmemorable. There isn't a single scene in the movie that would stick out as impressive or brand new. Nothing, emptiness

>Rey never flew a ship in her entire life

she literally did though. She had never left the planet but she flew ships for portions guy.

Star Wars protagonists are good at flying because of the Force, this has always been canonical, you're just mad that Rey is a girl and see it as an insidious plot by Disney to feminize star wars and bring reee normies into the franchise (even though Star Wars has always been a normie franchise, it's just that no one reasonable ever cared about the autistic EU)

yoda and windu took them

and yes the prequels had dumb dialogue and rushed plots because no one fight lucas but that doesn't make the anh copycat good

>she literally did though. She had never left the planet but she flew ships for portions guy.
Not in the movie, we don't care about your novel and videogames. if it's not in the movie, it didn't happenned, and it doesn't make sense anyway. if she was a pilot, why would she waste her time collecting junk for portions?

Star Wars should have died in '83. Only the first two movies are worthy of all this attention. Return of the Jedi is fine, though a significant step down. The Prequels are a textbook example of interesting ideas marred by terrible execution. The TFA is competent at best and will age like milk. RO is largely forgettable aside from its last thirty minutes (which is the closest thing we've gotten to a good SW film in decades).