Is there any real snyderfag left at this point? I can understand that there is still DC movies fans because of Nolan Batman, superman returns and wonder woman but Snyderfags? He made 3 awful movies in a row and even before that sucker punch was simply awful.
Is defending snyder the new baneposting? Why the fuck would anyone defend a director that never made a single good movie though his life?
They killed themselves after Justice League.
The only good thing Whedon brought to Justice League was Aquabro's scene. Snyder made two movies that were legit too good for dilshit normies like you to ever appreciate until some bullshit listicle website publishes a list of all the "Amazing Things You Might Have Missed" five kr sk years from now, upon which time, you'll quote it to people to feel smart and pretend you always appreciated them, while desperately trying to suppress the urge to admit to anyone that you heard them all here first and dismissed them as coincidences.
Let's be honest here, Whedon probably steered the film to a watchable state of viewing. Stop sucking Snyder's dick and realize that he's the problem for why they needed reshoots in the first place. I wouldn't be surprised if all the best scenes are Whedon reshoots.
Hope that spergs you out.
>Snyder made two movies that were legit too good
Imagine believing this. Denial is a beautiful thing.
This has to be it. People were getting sick of Snyder's outdated style, as shown by his progressively worse and worse critically received films.
Justice League was raised a good 20 points on Rotten Tomatoes thanks to Whedon
>Stop sucking Snyder's dick and realize that he's the problem for why they needed reshoots in the first place.
Then again we're dealing with extremists here user. They are a lost cause. They enjoy Snyder's work ffs.
I'll see all you jntellectuals over in the Thor thread, where we discuss the deep metaphysical implications and narrative importance of getting jerked off by a hammer.
Oh wait.
Are you even remotely implying Justice League is for intellectuals?
Snyder is no more deep than a puddle, what is man of steel message?BvS?JUstice league?Snyder Movies never had any message.
No, I'm not. I am however stating outrighg that what foreshadowing it does is so deftly handled and so singularly indicative of Snyder's hand, that I doubt anyone outside of comic book supergeeks picked up on it.
No, I won't tell you. You guys don't care, right? I mean, what better way to signal how little you care than constantly making threads about this shit you're too "cultured" for? Now watch while I show you what not giving a shit what someone else thinks really looks like
>I am however stating outrighg that what foreshadowing it does is so deftly handled and so singularly indicative of Snyder's hand, that I doubt anyone outside of comic book supergeeks picked up on it.
Kek, are you for real right now?
Man of Steel's message is anyone worthy of the title of "hero" faces the consequences of his decisions and makes them regardless of whether or not there's a man in the sky to come save them, and it's got a side-order of "be careful what you make sacred, because anything can become a god."
Why do people reply to bait threads?
...which is all painfully generic and executed poorly in Man of Steel.
Am Snyderfag. The hack job that is Justice League is not indicative of Snyder's work.
Does your back ever get tired shifting goalposts all the time? I picked up on them. You were apparently totally oblivious to them. Maybe it's time to admit there's at least a chance that you're a pseudo-intellectual retard.
>Being a hero is hard. This was maybe my answer to Marvel, whom, as much as I admire them, I do quibble with. Marvel had a very childish philosophy: that if the hero was a good man, the villain would be defeated. The hero is good and the villain is evil. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. Marvel can say that the Avengers beat Thanos and everything was fine afterwards, and they were heroic and just. But Marvel doesn’t ask the question: How does the world react to the presence of living gods among men? Do they intervene in foreign wars? What do they do in times of genocide where world powers refuse to intervene? Do they enter and impliment their own justice? Who's justice to they implement? Do they work with America's allies? Even when those allies are guilty of genocide and use of poison gas to murder children in their cradles?
Now that the dust has settled is Sup Forums ready to admiteverything you love about Zack Snyder is what you hate about George RR Martin?
Snyder doesn't do any of those things. He's just a pretentious hack. He can;t even tell an entertaining story.
Or maybe you are just an underage and can't develop complex criticisms, so these tired and cliche story beats come off as #5deep3me? Like the retarded faggot you are.
>literally 90 percent Synder
Did he seriously said that? Holy shit, I know he is pretentious but that shit is on another level.
>oh hehe xd i dont like conventional hiros cuz they r 2 white a black hehe xd i like edgy things
Holy shit, this fucking idiot thinks he somewhat makes movies more thought provoking than marvel because he makes movies from a thought process that any 15y old kid could realize while jerking off.
>Marvel had a very childish philosophy: that if the hero was a good man, the villain would be defeated.
Has this retard ever read a Marvel comic in his entire life? Jesus fucking Christ, Marvel build a brand around fleshing out complex characters, they are literally known for that...as opposed to most of the DC franchise.
I hate Snyder, but where did he even remotely mention white and black people? Not everything is Sup Forums, faglord.
>INTELLECTUALISM DETECTED>
Must self consciously call "pseude" or pretentious or wacking off rather than try to listen to the man speaking.
Oh wow, X-Men are exactly like minorities and homosexual struggles and Spider-Man is a real kid underneath the suit sooooo deeeeep braaah... I can be flippant too.
Snyder fags aren't normal white people, that's where we've been confused for so long. They're pajeets and Brazilians, who just want simple stories about buff macho heroes beating the shit out of the bad guys.
Snyder's DOTD was better than the original...FACT
MOS was better than ANY marvel movie..FACT
JL was sunk by whedon quips but was still good...FACT
Suckerpunch wasn't that bad. Style over substance granted but still impressive kino.
The problem is he's just too good for mainstream cinema. He needs to stop making movies for Hollywood were audiences can;t understand his unique intellectual style and just make movies for his kino fanbase who, y'know, *get* him.
I hope you're memeing me, but I will just take the bait anyway, I'm not talking about people, retard, I mean the white and black philosophy a.k.a. Heroes are good because memes and antagonists are bad boiz cuz we need dem bad boiz
>SCREAM "INTELLECTUALISM DETECTED" BECAUSE I'M RETARDED
I'm not going to listen to an old man saying what is basically "hey guyz I know how reality is and I want to apply it to heroes stories", you don't need to have a doctorate in philosphy to realize the world is grey place unlike the conventional heroes stories, trying to put some reality in fictional stories doesn't make them "more mature and philosphical", it's just a narrative tool. That's like saying a videogame is more mature just because it has realistic graphics, just no.
Ghostbusters 2016 RT score proves that mainstream critics are bought and paid for.
no way was that better than watchmen or MOS.
Personally i hope Zack goes back to horror.
MoS and BvS are the only genuinely great films he's made.
>Oh wow, X-Men are exactly like minorities and homosexual struggles and Spider-Man is a real kid underneath the suit sooooo deeeeep braaah... I can be flippant too.
Are you just being intentionally obtuse here? You're just taking examples of clearly nuanced Marvel comic characters, and boiling them down in a dumb way. How is an allegory for the gay community in the 80s not interesting and moderately more content than some surface level Superman saves the day for the umpteenth time shtick?
>I'm not talking about people, retard, I mean the white and black philosophy
Sorry, this is Sup Forums so that's just the first thing that came to mind.
Oh it's all good, can't blame you, this shithole can change your views about the world.
Why don't we talk X-Men then? Magneto is one of my favorite comic book villains/antiheros. Here is a man that became the very thing he wanted to fight against; extremist violence. He watched his entire family get gassed during the Holocaust and was used as a fucking lab rat by the Nazis to use as a weapon against the Allied forces before he escaped, then proceeds to hunt down surviving Nazis to create some sort of closure with his own past. He meets his future ideological opposite, Charles; an idealist and a pacifist. You have to extreme ends of different viewpoints concerning the treatment of mutants in the US, but with Magneto, he has this raw and potent emotional response to persecution, which transforms him into a literal mutant Nazi, a monster of the very violence he worked his whole life to avoid.
Superman on the other hand, is sad he can't save everyone boo hoo, (insert Jesus allegory here). The end.
holy fuck capeshitters are fucking idiots.
I'm not even a capeshitter, I'm just not a drooling retard who thinks all Marvel comics are for babies just because you suck Snyder cock.
>I'm not even a capeshitter, I'm just not a drooling retard who thinks all Marvel comics are for babies
Nice argument, they aren't. I just explained how Magneto is often used as a stand-in for extremist groups and how his absolutism clashes with Charles...
holy fuck
it's even better because i know you're not underage, you really are this stupid
>you dum dum ;) teehee
Great analysis, you sure showed me. Explain how I'm wrong in explaining what Magneto represents in context with the Marvel universe and how his ideology is often used as a device to critique real world extremism? Because everything I said is fucking correct.
this is what capeshitters think is intelligent and mature
jesus fucking christ
Don't even try to argue with him, for Snyder's dick sucking snobs, arguments are just jew maymays.
Again, feel free to explain how it's not. You aren't really saying anything with substance, faggot.
MoS and BvS are GOAT. go back to fucking /r/movies to talk about deadpool.
Deadpool is unironically a better film, better received and made three times more its budget than MoS and BvS...
film is fucking dead
Are you going to flesh out an opinion or no?
i'm not having a debate with you, idiot
not the guy ((you)) are talking to but yikes is this the state of Sup Forums?
Then stop posting.
Yeah it is maybe you should fuck off back to Sup Forums if you're wanting serious discussion about children's comic books.
Let's have a serious discussion about the First Class series then.
...
Just go back to Sup Forums then, holy shit.
you're an imbecile, watch real movies, idiot
Tell us one then
Tell me what movies you like then.
Ghostbusters 2016
profit isnt the metric of quality.
you probably fucking clapped when deadpool farted.
I never said it was the metric of quality, it also has a near perfect audience and critic score and overall has a better lasting impression on people than any DC turd film of the last few years.
Reminder, a Justice League is going to underperform a fucking Thor movie.
>Snyder Movies never had any message.
I thought the reason why people hated those films was because they kept shoving the message down everyone's throat? Maybe you stop looking at your phone every two minutes, ADHD kid.
Snyderfanning is an underground meme of Sup Forums
kek
Here is your (you)
Now back to
>Frog Posters vs. People who hide behind salt shaker emoji's
Who wins?
I would rather have Zack's raped batman grimdark take on dc than this soulless saturday morning cartoon shit.
Zack's dc was at least amazingly awful. JL was bland and derivative.
>superman returns
this movie is fucking cursed m8
it ruined Brandon Routh. he went from box office star to a fucking cw minor actor
Kevin Spacey is now fucking done, not to mention his pal bryan who directed this might be done in the near future too
James Marsden...apart from westworld what a fucking joke career
There are probably more people who love snyder flicks than this garbage.
Kek, ever since JUSTice League came out the Snyderfags have all but disappeared. It's quite nice actually.
No, user, you're wrong. They are getting together and are trying to overanalyze this shit film into the extreme to convince themselves that his Overlord Snyder-sama is still godlike. Just wait a month or two, you'll see them like you've never seen them before, shilling and proclaiming JUSTice league is a masterpiece kino. Just wait, my dear user, just wait.
>capeshitter is also a soyboy
wew lad
>Using soyboy unironically
Fucking cringe.
>soyboy
if you like capeshit, you are a soyboy.
no adult uses the term soyboy...
you fucking wish faggot.
You guys are literally arguing whether movies made for 12 year olds to sell toys have intellectual and philosophical merit on a website for pedos with anime fetishes. What are you doing with your lives?
I don't work until Tuesday.
it's a meme you dip
But he literally said that.
>faces the consequences of his decisions and makes them regardless of whether or not there's a man in the sky to come save them
Like an ordinary adult?
>anything can become a god
How is this relevant to real life
>Is there any real snyderfag left at this point?
Yes.
If you think JL is snyder's fault you are beyond retarded.
MoS and BvS are kino and will stay that way even thought the trilogy will never be truly completed.
>If you think JL is snyder's fault you are beyond retarded
This meme still?
>le meme
not an argument
The execs ruined his work.
this desu, i had thought BvS would've been studio controlled after MoS's low response but it's fucking evident that after SS that JL would've been studio controlled tripe.
Why can't people like you just admit Snyder is the problem?
EVERY single cape flick including Lego Batman were critical and commercial darlings beloved by those who saw them this year. And then we have this turd. It can't be the DCEU because WW did great. It can't be cape fatigue because MCU kills it again this year. It can't be because people don't like dark and gritty because Logan was a smash hit.
The problem is fucking Snyder. Every single project he's attached with has gotten a low-mixed to negative reception. I don't understand why you can't just admit that to yourselves.
>three lines repeating "waahhhhhh snyder is bad waaaaaahhhhhhhh can't you see it"
They didn't, why can't you just accept he's a boring and visionless director? Why double down at yet ANOTHER flop? It's like beaten wife syndrome at this point with you retards.
But he's right. Snyder has literally only ever made 1 good film.
whya re you so utterly incapable of backing ANY statements you utter?
fuck no
How many movies need to fucking flop for you to change your mind?
>whya re you so utterly incapable of backing ANY statements you utter?
Are you the same kid from earlier who thought MoS was a layered 5deep3me kino? If so, you are just painfully unaware of decent filmmaking.
If this isn't bait, then it sucks for you and supergeeks like yourself that you won't get to see Snyder do any more big budget comic book work any more. Normies and their taste, rightly or wrongly, win again.
Name your top 10 right now
Sad
>b-but muh box office
not an argument
fuck no. All you need to know is that I like MoS and BvS. I'm not a DCfag, I just like snyder. JL, WW, SS were all trash.
>all you need to know
clearly someone's scared of being outed as soyboi
Something tells me you won't accept any argument, bud.
I think you need to focus on how all you've done until now is cry that snyder sucks and nothing more.
No one actively participating in any form of capeshit "discussion" consistently (I'm reluctant to call it discussion because 90% of people here nowadays are retarded frogposters) have the right to pass judgement on other person's taste, whether or not said person's is awful - which, if you like Snyder, it is. However, half of you people can't say shit because constantly flocking to anything remotely Marvel/DC to either rip on/defend is detrimental to the medium overall because you're filtering out all genuine talk on other films. This is why this board has turned into such garbage. It's what it used to make fun of, there is no irony left.
Tell us without memes why he is good.