So now that the proverbial dust has settled, he was a replicant, right?

So now that the proverbial dust has settled, he was a replicant, right?

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he was half replicant half human

It was left ambigious and thats good enough, analyzing it to much misses the point

no he was a real human person

And a real hero

He was clearly a replicant

>You're a "special" Joe!

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heh

Everyone is a replica, but replicate are actually indistinguishable from humans, so really he was human after all

did he die?

Clearly a replicant that gained a soul in the process.

He was revealed to be Deckards son meaning he wasn't a replicant basically.

this, he's a human

>all these people that missed the entire point of the movie

Yes

But Deckherd and Rachal were rebligants so goose is one as well.

You are aware that he isn't their child and he is just yet another produced replicant? Are you all just baiting or?

Are you guys serious?
Out of all the cryptic shit it wad made crystal clear K wasn't human

Both films explore how the depth of a memory is what makes you human. 2049 takes this further by giving him a memory that he already knows is implanted, but it's impactful for him anyway. When he learns it really happened he starts showing signs of a real human bean because he really believes he is. In the end we learn it really happened, but it was implanted into him and he is a replicant after all, but the journey he went, the turmoil he felt, the goddamn depth of his memories are what makes him develop soul.

I liked that they kept it ambiguous.

Was this too patrician for normalfags?

No he was recharging his batteries

>running through walls
>takes all that head trauma from bautista without dying
>bautista literally calls him a newer model at the beginning

either trolling or retarded

yeah this better be bait, it's very clearly established that he's a replicant and that's kind of what the entire meaning of the ending revolves around

It has outstanding reviews and actually didn't bomb at all
It doing poorly is just fake Sup Forums news

kek

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The second I realized what song was playing, I couldn't stop the tears.

anyone else almost tear up watching this?

>almost

I started bawling the moment I realized tears in the rain started like . It was like a signal of release.

I only cry at movies I watch when I'm sleep depraved, but Ryan Gosling's yell at the first visit in the memory den gave me the biggest chill down my spine

>90474739
what was the point user?

>get completely btfo'd
>in his asshurt rage he begins spamming his gay "reviews"

Not me but I guess he's referring to the point that we're all just cogs in the machine slowly losing our humanity, so a robot impersonating a man has a bigger chance of having a soul than you do

This. The way he doesn’t immediately react to her saying "Someone lived this, yeah", but he just gazes indefinitely contemplating his entire existence for a solid 15 seconds saying under his breath "I knew it was real" and then that fucking bonechilling existential vocal outburst, the first emotional release of the entire film goddamn it's executed so good

Better question...Who cares?
It's like asking if the spinning top falls at the of Inception. It's not what really matters. You can't see forest for the trees.

Why do they call them "replicants" anyway? Aren't they literally clones?

I kind of got choked up when Joi first goes outside and embraces K

The question this film is actually asking is "Does it matter"?

Does it matter if he's a replicant or not if when he started completely believing in his memory being real resulted in him feeling and doing things like any other human would do? Does it matter if Joi is just a program if through interactions she transcends her original programming and cares for K as much as an actual life partner?

That statement is more central for the original Blade Runner

In 2049 it definitely matters alot to the story that he's a replicant

If they were just clones it's kind of dumb that it was so hard to make a clone capable breeding.

So fucking strong

The casting in this was perfect, even Leto did his part
It'd been infinitely cooler with Bowie, fitting FUCKING NICELY WITH HIS LAST ALBUM but life isn't fair

So exactly what's a replicant?

>Does it matter if he's a replicant or not if when he started completely believing in his memory being real resulted in him feeling and doing things like any other human would do?

Even if K never changed at all would he really be any less human?

>the scene where he first takes Joi outside
>the final scene
I wish the goose wasn't so fucking good at playing a lonely autist because it makes him so relatable.

correct me if i'm wrong but it seemed like it was essentially a discussion about what it means to be human or to have a "soul", the story utilising replicants as a vehicle to investigate how much one's humanity is defined by experiences and choices, etc etc. So the film ending with a replicant finding meaning in his life ("a meaningful death") kinda supports the idea that having a "soul" is not something that you are just simply born with, instead being something develops over time and is defined through one's interactions with the outside world and those around them. or idk something along those lines

What does any of that mean? Is K's life worth more because he died for something as opposed to some sad sack with no ambition who just lives his life doing menial work and dies alone? The latter's life may have had less impact on others and no great cause attached to it, but it probably still meant something to that person all the same.

Yes

So, who was human in this movie?

So did anyone notice that the technician at Wallace corp looks like a cyborg? Contrast him with K and Luv and you would think HE must be the replicant and the other two human, but it's the opposite. He also talks about the Black Out with K and how his mother lost all of his baby pictures because of it. This is interesting because in the first film something that replicants do is collect photographs of places they've been or done or people they've seen, ect. As if to prove to themselves their life is real and meaninginful?

Telling then that the technician looks like an inhuman cyborg and there are no baby pictures of him anywhere. How many millions of humans lost their 'humanity' in a similar way?
If the story were to continue, then would this tie into the Replicant resentment of AI's? Might a driving source of conflict between Replicants and Baseline Humans be that humans, to compete with Replicants, are increasingly augmenting themselves with technology and becoming less organic? Replicants might themselves as the true PURE humans.

Replicants aren't cloned. I'm not even certain if they are grown whole in vats or if they are grown in separate parts and then assembled.

After all if they were being grown in vats/bags it would make more sense to birth them as infants and just let them grow naturally. Perhaps with altered genes to speed up their growth so that they mature and reach adulthood in a very short time (like just a couple of years).

idk, it kind of leaves that up to the audience to decide i guess? it wasn't really that he died for something that made him human, moreso the fact that he ended up redefining what he saw being "human" to mean, and idk he pretty much had a soul all along and finally saw that

Definitely not
It's about making your life feel like it was worth it
A good death comes if you die satisfied
Other people's measured life worth is irrelevant

Yes, I totally thought that dude was a replicant
I think a big point of that character was to showcase a human's decay/"malfunction" compared to that of replicants
He sits there day in and out, not thinking much about his life doing a menial job a replicant could've easily do
He mirrors pre-memory K alot in that aspect, but doing a much more "robotic" kind of work than K, which is interesting to say the least

I think it's more to the with the fact that K found his own way in life. As a replicant he had a purpose but it was assigned to him. He was made to fulfil a certain role. The plot of the film allowed him to experience things that led him to find his own purpose. He wasn't just a product anymore. He gained a soul.

Well it is tricky for me because I find the concept of a soul to be a little hard to grasp. It's not something I believe in. All that matters to me is, do Replicants have the same sort of subjective experience as any other person? The same capacity for empathy or sociopathy, for "good" or "evil"? Do they feel the same emotions?

It seems to me that the answer to all those questions is 'yes'. Due to the nature of their creation they start out a bit drone-like, but their human nature is still there and inevitably it rises to the surface and the manufactured person starts to fall away.

yeah I mean "soul" is just I guess a placeholder word for one's subjective experience/identity

But yeah nah I think we're actually agreeing on the point of the film but wording it differently desu senpai

what does wallace want from Deckard?
to figure out the secret to the miracle or he wants to stop it to remain the god that he thinks he is? is it for manufacturing replicant purposes? what the fuck was his problem?

captcha heritage christ

You saw he was able to replicate a pregnant replicant, but killed her, signifying his distaste for organic "fake life"
Wallace is a bit tougher to understand, I've only seen it once, but he has some satanic parallells

Sure, but is that any different from any other person who is grown up and cultivated by those around them, for good or ill, to fit into society? Raised to be laborers or scholars or soldiers, directed by parents or teachers or the demands of society... what's the difference?

I suppose that's the point. People feeling that Replicants are "fake people" because they enter the world as adults with pre-selected traits and skills, even knowledge, is a fallacy. They short-cut the process of becoming a cog in the machine, but fundamentally there is no difference between a human with that same job... they just took a longer path to get there and the longer path means more deviations in the results.


What I think would be interesting would be the revelation that replicants are mass produced, so there are hundreds of replicants that look and behave just like K did before he started off on his investigation in the film. The question is, if this were so and a replicant met a copy of themselves... how would they deal with that? If I can duplicate you a million times over does that diminish who you are?

He wanted the location of Deckard's daughter and failing that the location of the Resistance.

Maybe the Rachel he created was not a perfect recreation, just an approximation? After all if she were literally a new Rachel then she'd be fertile and so Wallace would already have what he wants.

Unless even if having Rachel he still can't understand who she is different and so needs her child to complete the puzzle?

user, K isn't special

>he was able to replicate a pregnant replicant, but killed her
She wasn't pregnant, that's why he killed her. "Dead space between the stars" and all

By denying both Wallace and the rebellion and transcending his original programming by doing the first truly individual choice of his life by reuniting a father with his daughter he becomes "special"

What part of "More Human than Human" is hard to get? They're humans.

They're skinjobs

Oh fuck me then
I really want (need) to see this 8 more times

>pic
please tell me you have more like that

He sees himself as a kind of god. He managed to master synthetic farming and being able to create synthetic life that can procreate is an extension of that.

>>bautista literally calls him a newer model at the beginning
>new replicant , half human replicant
>you being this retarded

I don't think so

half replicant, rachel and k's

dies for his senpai at the end

He's just a bag grown human

How is self-reproducing replicants more efficient for Wallace than just growing them in the factory?

cheaper

exponential growth

Seems like it would be harder to control them.

It's not a business decision. It's a psycho with a god complex decision

Apparently it is faster and cheaper in the long run. We don't know precisely how long it takes Wallace to construct a Replicant.

>You can't see forest for the trees.
Correct, the best part of the film is Luv

I wish I was her boss just so I could take her aside and tell her that I'm grateful for all she does for me and the Corporation, that she's a valuable PERSON to me and not merely a product. Just let her know I appreciate her.

His character wasn't anything about money. He already saved humanity and took them to the stars, now he wants to conquer eden or some shit by having trillions of replicants spreading accross the galaxy

Money is a part of that. He surely has practical concerns/hurdles to overcome or he'd not have this problem. I didn't mean to imply that money itself was the motivation, but it is one of the obstacles to overcome or else he could just build infinite Replicant factories to solve the problem.

Well yeah if they come from nothing, but certainly some resources are required to make them which are not infinite, including manpower

Right, that's my point

sure, but that's presented as a secondary concern for him with the way he addresses the problem in sweeping poetic terms

Oh sure, I'm not denying that. Like I said, he doesn't care about money or industry in and of themselves, but they are unavoidable realities of achieving his vision. Thus why it is important for him to find a cheaper and faster way of making replicants. Letting them breed like humans will apparently be faster and cheaper.

It makes one wonder how long it takes to make a replicant and how much it costs.

Well she is still a product, but yeah that doesn't mean one can't be grateful for her

I think she's a person!

Though she isn't my waifu or anything. I mean things are getting a little weird when you have to care for the emotional needs of your 'product'.

Do you think Wallace was fucking the inventory?

He strikes me as asexual

he was a replicant that thought he was half human because he had been implanted with the memories of the half human half replicant memories of Decard's actual child. he was in fact fully a replicant and was just a decoy for the real half replicant half human child which was the woman with the immune diffidence

they create raw resources so they dont need to be mined

But how can he be Deckard's son if he was a replicant?

How can Deckard's child be a half-human if Deckard and Rachael were both replicants?