Man of Murder

>In earlier drafts of the script Zod was banished to the Phantom Zone, Snyder changed it to him being killed and his logic was something like "Superman never killing makes no sense unless he's gone through something that makes him not want to kill"
Thoughts?

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Don't forget about Batman mowing down badguys left and right in BvS

Omfg Batman killing was fine. It was the best thing about BvS.

>Batman shoots tracker on truck
>gonna fall it
>says fuck it and slaughters them all
BASED SNYDER

>have a movie with Zod in it
>never once says his iconic "KNEEL BEFORE ZOD" line
>mfw

I kept waiting throughout that movie for him to say it. And he never fucking did. Total blueballs.

>KNEEL BEFORE ZOD
that's completely from the donner movie
it only made it to i think maybe one comic iteration decades later


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I feel like I'm the only person on the planet who was fine with Superman killing Zodd at the end. Zodd's entire purpose which he was genetically purposed for was ruined, and he vowed to simply slaughter everyone on the planet because of it. He was a menace too dangerous for any prison, unrepentant, and willing to fight to the death.

I prefer him dying than the endless nonsense we go through with Batman making out with the Joker in Arkham over and over again.

So what? He already killed Zod in the comics and in Superman 2. The only people that got butthurt we're people who don't know anything about Superman.

The whole schtick of Superman being boy scout goody two shoes is the results of being raised by the most gentle people on Earth, the Kents. Naturally, that includes valueing life and no killing. Somehow Snyder thinks not killing is unteachable by parents and decided to make the Kents selfish people for the sake of "muh realistic parents"

>Thoughts?
hopelessness
the tragedy of being in a situation in which there is no hope, or in another way, the only hope for the situation to end is to kill the person who is actively seeking mass murder


clark didn't seem to enjoy being in that situation. asshole. everyone knows that politely asking for a deferment to the fight to a later more convenient time and place always works, especially against a life long soldier who's lost all he holds dear in life

superheroes truly are for manchildren because they dont want to shock their unintelligent audience with mature and serious themes like death

He doesn't die in 2. He's lead off to prison. Really.

Also that time Byrne had Superman kill Zod was so retarded DC doesn't even include it in the Superman vs Zod collection. No idea why editorial let it happen in the first place.

>he hasn't seen the donner cut
lmao

what's selfish about telling a kid to measure his actions since his existence has mass social consequences that will automatically cause social friction, regardless of his actions and intent?

>that's completely from the donner movie

Yes, and? It's what everyone thinks of when you hear the name "General Zod". I don't care if it didn't originate from the comic itself, it should've been in the movie.

He's the most buffoonish idiot given millions of dollars and free reign ever.

How does he not even begin to see these are modern folk tales, witha heightened, not grim, reality?

Jimmy Olsen and Kryptonite are from the radio show too. Flight from the cartoon. Superman has been cobbled together from different media from the beginning.

whatever man, i don't get enjoyment from movies from how much they pander to my entitlement

THIS.

>"Superman never killing makes no sense unless he's gone through something that makes him not want to kill"
>yfw Snyder's Superman is basically Kenshin

So what? It's the piece of shit movie that came after this one that was the problem

Now that the MCU trounced the DCEU, Sup Forums needs to get the fuck off this board and stay there.

It'd be like a metal gear game where snake doesn't at some point say "Metal Gear?!" Or a Back To The Future movie without the characters saying "Great Scott" and "This is heavy". If a catchphrase becomes iconic, you have to include it or it doesn't feel right

For me the terraforming scene in MoS is the best scene in the entire DC cinematic universe for me.
Truly the most heroic moment and what Superman is all about.

People like you are the reason why garbage like the Robocop/Total Recall/Ghostbusters/Terminator/etc. remakes are made.

giant laser beam in third act, practically every nu-dc movie

>MoS: Must stop Zod from terraforming the Earth
>Justice League: Must stop Zeppenwolf fromt erraforming the Earth
Is this the part where Sup Forums starts screeching it's a conspiracy to get us to believe global warming/climate change?

no, its where everyone calls dc shit

>characters should be like their characters
>this means I want infinite remakes
????

>Truly the most heroic moment and what Superman is all about.
The only reason Earth was being terraformed at all was because Superman came to earth in the first place. He could've saved more lives had his escape pod malfunctioned in deep space somewhere and died.

Is that really Steppenwolf's plan? Why the fuck does Earth need to be turned into Apokolips?

>I clapped when I heard him say the thing. I can't wait for CHIPS 2!!!!

that example is not equivalent at all. snake doesn't have a convoluted and constantly rewritten history that's in any way similar to superman as a cultural phenomenon


its hilarious how you have to ignore the context of 'metal gear' being literally the name of the game and the driving force of the plot for you to think that this is somehow relevant to zod and superman

Or his father could you know tell him that because hes an alien killing would be wrong.

Essentially he wants to open up a portal and turn Earth into his home planet or a copy or another world or some shit I can't remember. Why? Because the plot says for him to do so. Darksied told him to do so. Whatever.

duuudeeeeeeeee i was going to say the same thing in my reply but didn't want to make it too personal


"oh ohoh he said the thing!! he said the thing!! haahaha"

No, but now is a good time to inform you that the kikes' endgame is to have the Elders of Zion open a gate to hell in order to summon Moloch and have him cleanse earth of Goyim and declare the entire planet as Greater Israel.

>Darksied told him to do so

That doesn't sound like it will help him discover the Anti-Life Equation.

Going by that logic Superman could still had simply left the earth and let Zodd do his thing, but he still decided to fight for it.
Literally only MoS had a giant laser beam.

there are some vaguely /x/ elements of justice league that don't fully go past shit morrison has done


i'm waiting for some conspiracy blogger to go all in on the unity steppenwolf wanted being an illuminist satanist hivemind conspiracy whatever the fuck with JL and its sequel being predictive programming in summoning satan

Also if you kill off some character or have any consistency it's hard to shit out new toys of them

Pic related was the only part of MoS I liked.

He's a fundamentalist christian so he intrinsically doesn't understand morality or ethics.
He only does the right thing because he thinks he'll be punished if he doesn't.
The concept of Superman- a creature that does the right thing even though he would suffer no harm from reprisal if he didn't- is anathema to Snyder and other morally retarded theists.

Why was Batman using firearms in Justice League?

OG death scene.

...

>Going by that logic Superman could still had simply left the earth and let Zodd do his thing, but he still decided to fight for it.

Zod only found Earth because of Superman. Had there been no Superman, Zod would never have found Earth.

you make a good point. i should also add that there's a big difference between batman's opponents and superman's opponents.

batman's opponents are mostly human and so they can repeat the same jewshtick of batman capturing the villain and locking him up somewhere.

superman's opponents are usually super-human and cannot be easily contained. e.g. darkseid, general zodd. brainiac, so eventually he'll need a Final Solution.

growing up i liked batman more than supes but now i see how there could be more complexity in the decisions superman makes. but snyder, under the constraints of the studio execs, made a very sloppy story that didn't clearly communicate this sort of conflict. they could've done it through well-written dialogue.

all in all, what you silly goys have to realize is that comicbook heroes are a perpetual money-making Cash Cow for the jews. so they will never allow final endings or logical killings of villains. they have to keep the show going.

the fact that rhas-al-ghul dies in Batman Begins is also very stupid of Nolan, because according to basic comic and cartoon canon, rhas is immortal through the lazarus pit, which made him a much more interesting character than the human way Nolan showed him.

I can accept a worn out Batman killing people in Batman vs Superman, but not Superman killing.
There's a whole comic dedicated to Superman utterly BTFOing a bunch of edgy faggots that thought that murder was the answer to everything and that superman was a bitch for not killing people.

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Killing Zod would have been one thing. Killing thousands of people before that was really something else.

I defended this movie at the time. BvS doubled down and made the problems worse. Now its indefensible.

>there are actually people who unironically defend Snyder

You're not alone, user. Anybody with half a brain understands why Superman killed Zod, and if somebody thinks that he somehow wasn't justified in doing so then they're a brainlet retard who should just be ignored.

>eventually he'll need a Final Solution.
Phantom Zone

yep, this is why snyder's Superman sucks, because he failed to adhere to a core character element (superman being a boy scout who doesn't kill due to the Kent's moral upbringing).

the whole point of Superman is that he's ultra-powerful and still smart enough to find an alternative to killing his enemies. if he starts killing villains, or not killing them, it becomes very arbitrary....does he only kill to save 1 million lives, does he only kill a villain to save Lois, etc.

But it wasn't Superman fault that he happened to land in earth. If anything is Zod's fault for destroying Krypton and forcing Superman's parents to put him on a scape pod.
What's heroic is that he still remained there to fight Zod.

>have to realize is that comicbook heroes are a perpetual money-making Cash Cow

no broooo superman is realllll i have to project my own empowerment onto a fictional reality that i can't actualize by and for myself here and nowwwwww
reality is always nice, people always fight fair, and killing is always wrong no matter the circumstance and context

have i also mentioned how superman is totally not god? hahaha the way religious figures function for their adherents is so totally different...

I'm assuming that in the DCEU, Apokolips is a realm of planets conquered by Darkseid's forces rather than just a single planet. Reshaping Earth into another territory of Apokolips would give Darkseid free reign over the descendants of the Old Gods which would yadda yadda bring him closer to the Anti-Life Equation. Plus he gets a shitton of human slaves.

>Literally only MoS had a giant laser beam.

Don't forget Suicide Squad.

HAHAHAHAHA


oh yeah, see, i'm righteous, i don't kill my enemies in the heat of battle
i walk a higher path.
i imprison them for eternity in a hellish limbo they can't escape (until the fanboy audience gets thirsty of course)

I don't think you're comprehending what I'm saying. I repeat, Zod only found Earth and became a threat because of Superman's existence on Earth. Sure, Superman "saved the day" but he saved it from something that resulted from his own presence.

so if you were to ask the question is better off having superman instead of him never existing, in the DCEU the answer is NO, because all the resulting problems and catastrophes simply would not have happened, full-stop.

giv kryptonian gf

>from something that resulted from his own presence.
like absolutely every single comic book hero?


what's a hero without someone to fight....

I honestly don't remember a giant laser beam in Suicide Squad.
But I don't remember almost anything from that movie.
But like I said, he had no control over his presence on earth and didn't have any knowledge of Zod.

no, according to the beginning scene of MoS, it was not Zodd's fault that Krypton blew up, the planet was doomed from the start and their leaders had no idea how to prevent it. Zodd staged a military coup because he thought he could lead better. Superman's dad warned them, but just wanted to get his son out of there.

this guy gets it.

the interesting element in recent batman & superman movies, as well as cartoons/comics, is that their existence brings forth more villains.

remember from nolan's 2nd batman, the joker scene and mob escalate their activities in response to batman's escalation in crime-fighting.

also somewhere in comics/cartoons, batman actually causes joker to become joker when he falls into a chemical vat during a struggle with batman.

so batman being a crime-fighting fag ups the stakes and makes criminals become super villains.

super villains exist because super heroes exist.

>I honestly don't remember a giant laser beam in Suicide Squad
Yeah, the stupid magic villain chick shot it into space to kill all the satellites.
>But I don't remember almost anything from that movie.
I envy you.

all capeshit movies are 100% forgettable.
i had to re-watch some BvS and MoS scenes to sperg out about them here on Sup Forums because they were so forgettable.

he doesn't have any knowledge about zod

he simply found the ship and then just be activating it activated its beacon.
story wise there's nothing inherently wrong with that, making someone ironically trigger a major struggle in the search of their personal truth. could have been more tragic in the greek epic way had the movie been done slightly differently

>That is stupid. He shouldn't ever be anywhere near superheros ever again.
Is what I said when I saw Man of Steel. This vindicates me.

>But like I said, he had no control over his presence on earth and didn't have any knowledge of Zod.
And? That doesn't change anything I said. Whether intentional or unintentional or his fault or not his fault, the fact remains that Zod was only ever a threat because superman was around in the first place.

Zack "the hack" Snyder

This. Its not his fault but still his responsibility.

zod did say he would find him

Samurai X was so good tho, what happened? How did we get to Rurouni Kenshin so quickly?

>still his responsibility
The truly heroic thing about Man of Murder is that he took proper measures

Snyder is amazing at visuals and action scenes but all of his actors behave like cliche's or weird spergs.

>Man of Murder
youtube.com/watch?v=hNRnaOonvs8


>of course he has to kill me, i'm out of control
>he had to kill me, what was he supposed to do?

Why didn't Jonathan Kent teach him not to kill? I'll tell you why.
Jonathan "Pa" Kent is arguably the greatest villain in modern cinema. Zack Snyder turned a bland farmer from Kansas into more than just the adoptive father of Superman; Pa Kent is now the catalyst that turns the Over-Man into a vicious killer, a dark messiah who offers hope only of being in his shadow.
Jonathan Kent is not an important man on the surface. He has an ailing farm and a wife who may share a name with the Wayne matriarch but has none of the wealth or the charm as that Martha does. Plagued by the sounds and sights of drowning horses and his own premature impotence, Jonathan finds the child his wife always wanted in the alien he names Clark, the creature he sees as the ultimate tool of vengeance upon the world that has mistreated him. Gone are the dreams of old, gone the days of hard working men like President Truman or Jonathan's father. Now the world is a gutter, filled with the sex and blood of thieves, whore and murderers. Jonathan sees in Clark the potential to create a messianic figure, a symbol of hope people could look up to as their new god, and thus he begins to lay the groundwork of his plans. He almost blew his cover when Clark saved a busload of children from drowning. All the trouble to sabotage the bus' brakes, and now the boy ruins everything. Jonathan couldn't have his boy plagued by the same sights and sounds of drowning life as he himself is, so he had to take more drastic measures. He had to die before his son's eyes for a pointless reason, to show that the life of a human being is worth no more than that of a dog's.
Jonathan Kent will teach you the Superman. He is lightning, he is madness!

Snyder is not smart enough to write such a character intentionally.

I was really hoping during Justice League that Superman would grab Steppenwolfs stupid helmet and spin his head like a dreidel.

Then what was the scene about drowning horses in BvS about?

>not including the part where he pulls out a knife like a gangster and faces down evil waifu
Forget Superman. Christopher Meloni was the true hero of this movie.

Everyone understands it. It's just fucking stupid. But this is a moot point because even with three films to build up to justice league no one even gives a shit about it

they fall to the basement of the fortress we never actually see them die whats important is the tone of the movie and it was handles perfectly

Dead horses taste great

True, I'm going to put some slices of metwurst on my sandwiches right now.

>sliding backwards across pavement
This is the most anime shit

>"Superman never killing makes no sense unless he's gone through something that makes him not want to kill"

I think that is what the meat-creatures call "empathy" and it isn't something you achieve after "going through something".

I bet you think raped women deserved it

only manchild comic book autists think there's anything wrong with that

SUPERMAN DOES NOT KILL BECAUSE THE KENTS TAUGHT HIM RIGHT FROM WRONG

SNYDER IS A HACK AND RUINED SUPERMAN AND BATMAN

Pa Kent is a fucking failure just like his son. Clark had to literally die to kill off that autistic part of himself

I don't understand, How can Clark stop Zod without killing him at that point when Zod is literally gaining all the powers that that took years for Superman to master?

For all the movie's fault, by the time the main ship was destroyed (with P. Zone gone), there is not much Clark can do to subdue Zod.

Lol

>It'd be like a metal gear game where snake doesn't at some point say "Metal Gear?!"
Like mgsv?

>disgruntled Batman (post Killing Joke?) has lost hope and doesn't care about the pieces of shit he fucks up after 20 years of fighting crime
>So obsessed with murdering all that stand in the way of justice he decides to kill the aliens that destroyed Gotham together
>Basically succeeded in helping kill the one man responsible for protecting the planet and giving it hope
>Earth is now super depressing and full of misery as a direct loss of Superman
>Batman isn't too eager to be a killer anymore

and MGS3

because Zod is more chad than chadman

Fuck off cinemasins.

The terraforming/harvesting thing was put in by Whedon. In the original he was purely subjugating Earth for Darkseid.

And now JL.

>people have to murder first to realize that it's a horrible act that you shouldn't commit
Wew