Question regarding the ending of Logan: Why is an Adamantium bullet able to pierce X-24's Adamantium skull...

Question regarding the ending of Logan: Why is an Adamantium bullet able to pierce X-24's Adamantium skull? Shouldn't they just bounce off of each other? Also why does that kill him? What about an adamantium bullet prevents him from regenerating his brain?

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Shouldn't it have just erased his memory? That was the whole point of origins?

It depends on whether adamantium in this case is supposed to be an inviolable substance under all circumstances, but if it is, that's counter-intuitive (and unless someone specifically tells you something counter-intuitive in fiction is true, it's not true).

Think of it in terms of aluminum. You have a knife with an aluminum blade, and something made of aluminum foil. The knife will cut the foil. Try again: same knife, but instead of foil, you have an engine block of cast aluminum. The knife won't cut the block - because you can't apply sufficient force, and if you could the knife would deform and maybe break before you penetrated the interior of the block.

So you fire the knife out of a cannon at the block. It flies perfectly straight and true without any drop or deviation and the point strikes the block - which it will now penetrate because you gave it sufficient force to do so, more than human bodies could ever produce.

Now instead of a hand knife and a cannon knife, think of that engine block being struck by a small-caliber handgun round vs. a .50 caliber from an M107. That's why an adamantium bullet could penetrate an adamantium skull.

As far as what it'd do to his brain... memory relies heavily on the structure of the brain over time. Each of us grows different links between our braincells and learns to use the different areas of our brain differently, sometimes for identical tasks. Even if you could re-grow your brain from mush according to your DNA, it's correct that your memory would be gone (and if you didn't clear out the mush, you'd immediately develop massive intracranial overpressure and die).

But more than that, if you don't have a brain because a large bullet has destroyed it, your body will die, almost immediately. So you might think of that kind of damage as catastrophic even to Logan (although being hit super hard in the head, adamantium or no adamantium, should have the same effect).

>Remembering Xmen Origins Wolverine

Is this the first time there's been a reverse quality in trilogy? Usually it's first good/best, second either best/worst, and third always being the worst.

Wolverine has been first being really bad, never saw the second but heard it was decent, and third being the best.

Adamantium traveling at high velocity > Adamantium

Shouldn't someone shooting him in the eye have the same effect as shooting him with an adamantium bullet? If Logan works by zombie rules and dies if his brain is destroyed (pretty sure that's not the case in the comics, but w/e) that would do it

Why is a fist able to fracture a face?

The difference is the materials in your examplles aren't "indestructible"

Adamantium is destructible though, even in the comics. It's just really really hard.

I would also like to know this

Perhaps, but good luck being accurate enough. I'd imagine if you didn't perfectly thread that eyesocket needle it'd just ricochet off his skull

I thought The Wolverine was a quality movie.

From the movie's wiki.

>X-24, a feral clone of Wolverine without his own healing factor and a weaker adamantium skeleton

But was this ever described in the movie? I don't remember it.

The movie explicitly states she has a healing factor

X-24, not Laura.

X-24, not X23

Bullshit, 24 absolutely had his own healing factor. He explicitly demonstrated it when the black wife shot him.

But a weaker Adamantium skeleton? I could completely buy that. Maybe the Adamantium Stryker had in X2 was the vast majority of the world's supply, and they've had to make do with various Adamantium alloys.

Who cares? It's less about the end of the fight and more about the emotion of the characters.

I think it's pretty clear from an earlier scene in the movie that 24 is an imperfect clone. You can see that after the first fight with Logan and being impaled that he doesn't regenerate properly without another dose of mutagen.

>Maybe the Adamantium Stryker had in X2 was the vast majority of the world's supply,

Isn't Adamantium a synthetic material?

Just saw it yesterday, they made a point of having the doctor use the formula on x-24 right after the battle to heal him

this.

I guess his healing abilities wasn't strong enough for brain tissue or something along those lines. He seemed to heal pretty much exactly how you expected him to except for those extremely invasive injuries

I've always felt that his DNA is mixed into the adamantium,so even though his brain may melt (a la Civil War), his DNA is still flowing through and could regenerate. He'd have to drown. maybe if you melted his brain and chopped off his head he'd die for good? if you cant do that, just suffocate him

Basically they just ripped off killing Superman with a kryptonite bullet.

This. They turned adamantium into a psedo weakness for the purposes of plot. I loved Logan, but that part felt kind of tacked on as an almost literal Chekhov's gun

No, I covered that at the top. If adamantium has such broad properties that it doesn't deform, fracture etc even under high stress, then there's no way to work with it.

The fact is while it might look solid, the adamantium is actually a thin film over Wolverine's regular bones - otherwise he'd be dead because he'd have no blood.

Comparing it to a versatile metal with known properties that we can all understand from experience is apt.

Technically no. The skull extends behind the eyes (this prevents your eyes getting pushed into your brain, so even if you lose an eye the impact won't necessarily kill you outright). But there is a small gap through which the eye is connected to the brain via the optic nerve, so yes, as said, if you didn't thread the needle you'd probably just destroy the eye.

However, you're correct in that a sufficiently high-power bullet (even a normal, non-adamantium one) should liquefy the contents of his skull when it strikes, as the force propelling the bullet becomes a shockwave reverberating through the skull. Additionally, because his skull is coated in metal it should continue reverberating at a very high frequency - a little like ringing a bell.

He's been reduced to bones in the comics and regenerated, but that's not impossible - assuming the brain remains (or grows back without the memories), the spinal cord should be largely intact, some of the organs in the body cavity may be protected (but not supported) by the ribs, and there will still be cellular function, at the very least, within his living bone cells, protected inside the adamantium sheath.

Also just to add to the eye thing - getting struck in the eye is a super bad way to get hit, because of the shape of the skull there; it sort of telescopes the force of the blow right into the brain.

If you take nothing else away from this: don't punch people in the face.

Was wondering this myself after seeing it but supposedly X-24 has a weaker adamantium and weaker healing factor.

Maybe the adamantium coating his skull deformed inwards when struck, thus preventing his brain from regenerating properly.

>what prevents him from regenerating?
Well if I remember correctly, he had trouble healing his head/eye earlier in the movie and could only do so because he was given the green juice. So I guess he has difficulty healing his head and once his actual brain was splattered he had no recourse for that.

Because the movie is more grounded than 4-color capeshit and it was cool and sensible. That's why.

Same reason a brass-jacketed lump of lead can bust through a steel engine block. Smaller object of comparable hardness propelled at sufficient speed.

As for regenerating, I'd hazard that the now deformed adamantium-coated brainpan would prevent the brain tissue from ever regrowing into a functional organ.

>But a weaker Adamantium skeleton? I could completely buy that.

I think that in the comics Wolverine is meant to have like the ''original'' adamantium while the other adamantiun is just a cheap immitation compared to his

Omega Red had Carbonadium, the russkie knock-off variant with double the poisoning.

Isn't adamantium a cheap imitation of the material accidentally created for Captain's shield?

Admit it. You teared up a bit when Charles was killed by X24 and when Logan died at the end

That fucking casino scene was absolutely brilliant

1. he didnt adamantium grafted unto all of his skeleton, just the claws like laura
2. even if he did in origins it was shown to be able to be pretty effective on logan
3. it was a bullet traveling at high speeds, thus it had a shitload of momentum, when two objects collide the momentum of the system is constant, and when it isn't the excess energy is turned into momentary heat following a collision = ( energy type of heat, measured in joules ) and we know that adamantium starts getting softer at higher temperatures

Someone want to explain to me where the hell in North Dakota/South Dakota/Canada they were in the last act of the movie?

Did Magneto already die before this?

It was stupid how the bullet had an explosive exit wound. That sorta implies the force is what tore it open

>Who cares if they did a bad job of showcasing this plot point? It's got MUH FEELS and is grounded!

Fuck you guys and everyone involved with this movie.

that just means more porn variants of Laura Kinney.

the rules of the internet are immutable, most of all #34

>Who cares if they did a bad job of showcasing this plot point?
It didn't though. You're just a dullard with a poor understanding of basic physics.

anything past 1973 in the "original timeline" was retconned by days of future past
>"original timeline"
Origins > First Class > X1 >X2 > X3 > American Wolverine in Japan
>DoFP retconned timeline
Origins (up to 73) > First Class > DoFP > Apocalypse > Logan

The adamantium shell pierces the skull given that it's a bullet
the explosives within the bullet explode everything within the skull and the shrapnel (once again, given that it's adamantium) shreds up the skull
as for the regen, the only explanation I can offer is that too much of the brain was destroyed to properly regenerate

well, yeah, no shit
that was kinda the point
if there's anything this movie does well, it's give the main characters a proper send off, emotionally speaking

Is Logan even part of the new Timeline? I got the impression that it was more or less a standalone AU.

movie land ND because I live in ND and it doesn't look anything like that anywhere near the Canadian border. the ranger station? where the kids where meeting could kinda pass for badlands area of ND but that's at the southwest corner of the state and that's 200 miles from Canada

mangold essentially said it was in the dofp timeline, mostly because he wanted to distance it from the other films

>comicbookmovie.com/x-men/logan/james-mangold-explains-why-logan-takes-place-in-2029-a148298

EItherway it was still distant enough to not be affected, at least in between its 20 years or so.

it's only 6 years after the future in dofp

I thought he only used the formula to make the healing factor heal faster

In origins he was shot on his forehead which was the thickest part of adamantium in his skull

X23 shot him from the back of his head so its possible that it hit his brain through the Foramen magnum

>the explosives within the bullet explode everything within the skull

You dont know how bullets work do you

Why didn't the guys Logan stabbed when Xavier was having his fit fall over straight away? Why did they all fall over at the same time when Xavier stopped having a fit?

Because his psycic blast was so strong it was able to force their dying brains to maintain their body in the same position