Blade Runner 2049

Just got back from seeing the kino of the century an 8th and final time in theaters until it inevitably comes back because it's ahead of its time. Volume was loud enough to worry me at first but thank goodness because it was intense af later on especially at the end. Hard to believe the 8th time was better than the first seven but it was.

Every time I've taken away something different. This time in particular I noticed at the end, when K looks under his jacket, the individual snowflakes falling on his leg turning red with blood before melting. There was so much blood everywhere that you don't notice on his dark clothes until you see that snow turn red. And the look on his face when he sees it is a heavy realization. So much in that moment that proves to him he did something real.

Then it cuts to Stelline in her fake snow, the real person held back from experiencing reality will finally get to learn the truth about herself. K did that for her because that's what he felt made him a good Joe.

What people still don't get about the "good Joe" scene from the Joi ad is that he's seen that ad before, probably a hundred times, walking past it being called a good Joe a bunch of times. Probably why he snaps at Joi when she says he needs a real name and calls him "Joe," like it just reminds him of the fucking soulless ad. But it was different seeing the ad that time. Being good means more than being told you're good.

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I didn't read any of that but JOI stands for Jerk Off Instruction.

>Just got back from seeing the kino of the century an 8th
Remember these people have confirmed for actual redditers from their blade runner forum

I also brought my Cheez-Its and started eating them during "the scene." It was cinematic bliss.

Never been to reddit. You obviously lead a sad life with a tiny soul that will be steamrolled by this film's journey into world renown. The seismic shifts of storytelling proceed unconcerned under your puny posts.

What does Joi offer? What do the Joi ads really advertise? She's not really a sex machine. She's a validation machine. "Everything you want to see. Everything you want to hear."

Joi has a peculiar bug in her software where when she starts validating someone's reality she starts to take on real characteristics herself. Evidently she was originally designed to validate stupid shit for real people who don't need their reality validated. When she validates a replicant who wants to be real, she becomes a rogue AI.

It's perfect cyberpunk storytelling. I love it and I can't wait for a home release and an IMAX rerelease.

Need to buy a bottle of Black Label for my first viewing of the home release.

good shit OP, i only watched it once and its an instant classic

Did it bother you at all that every single Harrison Ford scene was in the trailer for this? Movie was great but that's my only complaint with it. He's only in the last part of it so I don't know why in the hell the marketing team or the studio decided to show it all. Still it's definitely a good thing that my only complaint isn't about the movie itself just the advertisements.

>What people still don't get about the "good Joe" scene from the Joi ad is that he's seen that ad before, probably a hundred times, walking past it being called a good Joe a bunch of times. Probably why he snaps at Joi when she says he needs a real name and calls him "Joe," like it just reminds him of the fucking soulless ad. But it was different seeing the ad that time. Being good means more than being told you're good.

I couldn't see it nearly as many times as I wish I had user. But the fact that the ad was probably something he'd seen countless times already in a relatively meaningless context is something I hadn't thought about. That last bit was pretty neat too.

This is what i love about that scene. Doesn't hit you over the head with what it means.

Didn't see the trailer, just a brief commercial with him coming out of the shadows with a gun.

Precisely. Even if it isn't a bug and something of which Wallace was well aware, it's totally in line with Rachel's humanity in the first film. Note that I'm not saying Joi and Rachel function in the same way. Just that the same question that's asked of Rachel's existence in the original is echoed for Joi in 2049 in a different manner and context.

Expand, please.

>Recite your baseline.
Many is the night I dream of Cheez-Its. Toasted, mostly.
>Night.
Night.
>What's it like to watch kino at night? Night.
Night.
>What's it like to post on Sup Forums afterward at night? Night.
Night.
>Dream.
Dream.
>Do you dream about kino? Dream.
Dream.
>Did they teach you how to dream, night to night?
Dream.
>Many is the night I dream.
Many is the night I dream.

If Joi's adoption of K's desire to be real isn't an unintentional bug and is actually something seeded by Wallace, it'd be similar to how Tyrell attempts to do something special with Rachel in the original film. Again, I'm not saying that Wallace magically predicted that a replicant obsessed with being real would pick up a Joi, but I see it as one of those things he could have left in Joi's code to give her complexity. If you watch Westworld, Ford does the same thing with the reveries in that show.

Or it could just be a bug that gets triggered by an unexpected interaction with an obsessive replicant that Wallace Corp. didn't foresee happening.

I like to think of it as another example of an artist inevitably putting something into their work that they aren't supposed to, and this tinkering eventually leading to changes and evolutions in their creations.

I'm gettin' Blade Runner withdrawals, boys.

Never seen Westworld. Been waiting for it to accumulate episodes because it sounds like something I'll want to watch at my own pace and not whenever a new episode comes by. Sounds incredibly interesting when you compare it to this.

>I like to think of it as another example of an artist inevitably putting something into their work that they aren't supposed to, and this tinkering eventually leading to changes and evolutions in their creations.

Same.

That cold feel.

>Sounds incredibly interesting when you compare it to this.
I enjoyed it because I have a natural love for Westerns but I wouldn't compare it to this film at all. It's much more Nolan blockbuster than Denis 2049 iykwim.

I still enjoyed watching it, but the payoff might not be worth for many people. It's littered with "you gotta turn your brain off bro" parts a bit too much and idk if I'd have enjoyed it if I hadn't seen it over a break when I had some free time to kill.

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In one scene there are dancing ballerinas labeled “USSR”, does the USSR, exist in this reality and not ours, just like the PAN-AM advert? Or is it a retro-bait advertisement for former Soviets who now live in 2049 LA?

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The USSR still exists but it's only communist in name.

>8th time in theaters
you're worse then those sluts who did the same shit when The Titanic was released

>K turned down real food for Joi's home-cooked meal

It hurts.

Why is that bad? He's showing the studio that he wants more films like that to be made

I know its meme but i think women( at least normies) really cant understand this movie.
I was in the theater and a couple was near me, the girl started sleeping after 40", said "it's long" and checked her phone a couple of time.

I agree, I saw JOI evolving throughout the film and essentially becoming a sentient AI.

I thought that eventually it would lead to K being the one interrogated by Wallace instead of Deckard, and just as Wallace offered Deckard a duplicate Rachel, he would offer K a replicant Joi with his Joi's sentience programmed into it, basically making her "real".

Replicants aren't real though

oh wait do you mean the meal that Sapper was cooking with garlic?

fug

>I know what's real

>8th

Yep.

>fake human standing in the real snow
>real humans standing in the fake snow
>at this moment I am euphoric
>plebs don't understand muh deep ethical connotations *tips*
Good god, how the fuck do you, human cheetos, lack self-awareness to this point? You're literally the "Vonnegut and Orwell are the greatest literature ever written" of cinema. I don't think it's even possible to be more reddit than praising this slightly above average big-budget as second coming of Griffith. Fucking kill yourself. Unironically as well.

Yeah we should only enjoy the absolute revolutionary masterpieces, everything else is utter dogshit and there is no inbetween am I right

>What people still don't get about the "good Joe" scene from the Joi ad is that he's seen that ad before, probably a hundred times, walking past it being called a good Joe a bunch of times.

Well the add was right outside the Wallace corp. LA is a pretty big place and I think this add was unique because it was right outside corporate HQ. I don't think he was called a good Joe many times by it.


Good god, imagine being this guy. OP took the time to write down a meaningful post , split it into paragraphs, evoke some discussion and make Sup Forums a better place. You're a human buzzword spewing machine. You've never had an original thought in your life. Do you think I'm supposed to take your side in this?

lest you end up triggering that genius even more, don't forget the DCEU user, that stuff is even more amazing than revolutionary cinema. its a whole other tier above everything, but yeah for the moist part you're toitally on point.

haha, yeah

Look he died a Joe, it had special meaning to him. I don't know where you people got that he thought it was all fake. Right as they're struggling to exit the sea at the end, Deckard shouts JOE, JOE. Deckard was the only person who will remember him now and he will remember him as Joe. It doesn't make it any less of a real name, just because Joi add calls potential customers Joe.

The type of movies this guy wants Sup Forums to circlejerk over aren't revolutionary masterpieces...
Probably because no one has seen them and nobody gives a fuck

I like the film but the city felt devoid of humanity

idk even bladerunner 1 seemed like a more fun city to be in

His use of the phrase "human cheeto" seems like a pretty dead giveaway of the fact that he's just an attention whore with no real thoughts. I bet he posts in every snyder thread.

That's the point user, everything is basically dead in the new one.

It did spend more time outside the city than inside. Villeneuve's spoken about wanting it that way, and honestly the one scene you need to watch to see what the filmmakers think of the city in this film is the flight back to LAPD. Shit's a wasteland from K's vatage point bird's eye view from up in the sky, and it's only when you look down between the rooftops at an angle that you see facades covered with commercials for entertainment and other shit.

I think this may have been one of the best movies I've ever seen. I only regret seeing it so late into its theater life, I won't have time to see it again due to work, when I'm available it'll be pulled from every nearby theater.
The first thing I thought when the credits began was how horribly sad it was that this movie didn't do better because I would have liked to see more. It was a masterpiece.

Then, walking out of the theater (surprisingly packed on a Sunday night showing this late after release), I heard a group of ~9 teenagers say "That movie was SO long, and I didn't get at least 2 hours of it!" (word for word) and the under performing box office made sense. Not one of them had anything good to say about it the whole time they walked outside, nor did anyone else in the crowd. I expect everyone, especially those teens, told anyone who asked what they did that night was "See a horrible, long, boring movie" and that made me sad.

I'll buy it on Blu Ray at least, so I can say I tried to keep movies like this being made.

Yea the old one had maybe 30 minutes of footage of crowds, but it would go against the themes in this one of crushing loneliness, isolation, finding genuine human connections, etc.
I'm glad they did their own thing and didn't try to recreate the original, but had some original ideas

Wish I could go watch it now like the good old days at 10am but it's not showing anymoer

I would've liked more bar/club scenes. Maybe a noodle restaurant or two.

>we should only enjoy the absolute revolutionary masterpieces
No, you should enjoy whatever it is you enjoy and be realistic about it instead of going on to declare things you like to be "objectively" masterpieces.
Imagine being so insecure that you completely ignore the actual content of any post about something you like that's not praising it and engage in formulaic herdlike memejerking with cookie cutter dismissal points that aren't even applicable to the case at hand. Oh right, we are on Reddit after all.

>No, you should enjoy whatever it is you enjoy and be realistic about it instead of going on to declare things you like to be "objectively" masterpieces.
See, if you're gonna go full schizo and start acting like every user with whom you disagree is the same user you're not gonna get anywhere. No one said that here in this thread. Sure, you may have heard people say that and sure that may be hyperbolic. But you assumed these anons were the same ones who presumably triggered you in other threads by overpraising this film. But now you've made yourself look like a crybaby when you could've tried to engage in actual conversation. Sure, maybe you would've encountered some herd mentality responses, but right now you're not faring any better than those yourself.

this post
in your eyes has actual content? That's pretty sad.

>instead of going on to declare things you like to be "objectively" masterpieces.
It's objectively an audio-visual masterpiece. How it connects with you and what it means to you is a different thing altogether, that's subjective. There isn't anything invalid about this being your favorite movie of all time

i think they can understand it
they just don't have to patience or attention span to care about it
denis villeneuve tends to make slow movies that can bore people

>second coming of Griffith.
we get it
you have a kkk hoodie
nobody cares

>There isn't anything invalid about this being your favorite movie of all time
Absolutely true.
>It's objectively an audio-visual masterpiece.
This is where retardation begins. Neck yourself.

The 2049 edition is sold out but I'm sure you'll find it on the internet.

Yeah it was great. I also love that art.

is this from GMod or what?

He ate noodles and Joi's food superimposed on that. Joi's food was a mere projection

That's the point, retard. He chose a hologram over probably the only real food he'd ever be able to eat because it was "made" by Joi.

He did eat real food though, the noodles or whatever was into that bowl. Then, as part of the program, Joi put her own fake food on top but the only real food that he ate were the noodles, which were no more real or fake than Sap's onions

>Imitation food made from maggots, synthetic starch and artificial flavorings are comparable to fresh vegetables from a garden

These noodles were still real in the sense that he could eat them and it fed him. That's the point of reality, brainlet. Sapper's food wouldn't have been nourishing to him, and even if he wanted to taste he could have taken it and superimposed in the same way the noodles did, although I'm not too sure he could even touch the crime scene

Alright. You got me. I were trolled. Good job.

That's OK. You're alright user, I feel bad for brainletting you throughout our argument.

It's been a while since I've taken a piece of bait that hard; you should feel good about your effort.

Your questions stemmed from a genuine questioning and it was all but a misunderstanding. It's all behind us now.

It was fun reading this back and forth. Both actually made fairly decent points.

>that's what he felt made him a good Joe.

A special Joe, not a good one.

That's from a VR Balde Runner game

JOI is the True Patrician fetish.

youtube.com/watch?v=6iqmIoHL74Y

>Not wanting to protect the cutest one

JOI is nice if you want a completely submissive partner

You just know all those kids posted on facebook or twitter or w/e the fuck about how it sucks. The world is so unfair.

is there a wiki for me to read all this lore?

>Luv won't do whatever has master asks

You funny guy.

Thanks for your answer.

I don't know where he gets this; the books maybe (and are they canon?)
Because in neither movie do they talk about the commies

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You've got to become her master first, and that's the challenge

My point is that doing whatever you say is the fucking definition of "submissive".

Blade Runner 2049 is part of a recent series of movies I'd describe as Dunning-Kruger Sci-Fi. Along with Interstellar and to a somewhat lesser extent Arrival, they perfectly play to the crowd that fancies themselves as (and, to be fair, may truly be) smarter than average audiences but are not as smart as genuinely "smart people." They are movies designed to make the audience feel smart by introducing complicated and heady concepts, and then holding the viewer's hand the entire way through until there is next to nothing to be left up to interpretation.

If you didn't already know the twist in Blade Runner by the time he was visiting Leto's factory AT LEAST, you perfectly fit the audience I am talking about.

There is no reward for being smart while viewing these movies because everything is eventually spelled out in big fridge magnet letters. Any clever idea is made so transparent that even the most simple in the audience will get it. It also removes any reward for rewatching or trying to figure out what you just saw.

Granted, there is a difference between BR2049 and Interstellar. I think where Interstellar was pretending to have a brain it actually didn't have, 2049 has a brain that it is refusing to let the audience use.

Completely disappointing movie.

Also
>not an Arrival quote

Johnnie Walker is garbage tier scotch that should only be consumed post-apocalypse.

Eh, I agree, suppose it's just different taste in submissiveness, Luv is more my type and style

What are, in your profound opinion, some movies that are "real" Sci-Fi or whatever you grand-wizards wish to preface Sci-Fi with?

BR2049 definitely lets you use your noggin, champ. Sure, they say that the daughter had a disease and then the only sick person in the movie is presented shortly afterwards, but then the movie throws so many more curveballs your way that you may end up second guessing yourself, almost like the main character does. This is fun storytelling.
You sound insufferable, by the way.

This pasta is part of a recent series of pastas I'd describe as Dunning-Kruger pastas. Along with the Arrival pasta and to a somewhat lesser extent the Villeneuve pasta, they perfectly play to the crowd that fancies themselves as (and, to be fair, may truly be) smarter than average audiences but are not as smart as genuinely "smart people." They are pastas designed to make the brainlets feel smart by introducing complicated and heady concepts, and then holding the readers's hand the entire way through until there is next to no buzzwords left to use.

If you didn't already know the empty point of this pasta by the time it starts the second section AT LEAST, you perfectly fit the audience I am talking about.

There is no reward for being smart while reading these pastas because everything is eventually spelled out in big fridge meaningless buzzwords. Any clever bait is made so transparent that even the most reddit in the thread will get it. It also removes any reward for rewatching or trying to figure out what you just saw.

Granted, there is a difference between this pasta and the Villeneuve pasta. I think where Villeneuve pasta was pretending to have a brain it actually didn't have, this pasta has a brain that it is refusing to let the autist use.

Completely disappointing pasta.

Also
>not a banepost

I just bought the damned bottle, I feel disappointed in my self control

Wait I fell for a pasta?
Shit.

i'm confused by the tech itself, in some scenes before they go out in the rain it kinda looks like you can actually physically touch the hologram, which would imply that you can have intercourse with her.

only later we found out she needs a prostitute to fully make the deed like in the movie 'her'

>i'm confused by the tech itself, in some scenes before they go out in the rain it kinda looks like you can actually physically touch the hologram

When? I noticed them always keeping a gap.

It "looks" like he can, but there is no physical touch happening.

What should I buy then?

One other thing I noticed on the 8th time or paid more attention to was that K really wasn't lying when he said he heard the piano in Vegas. When he's examining the bees outside there's piano music in the background and I had always thought that was just a moody part of the score, but he responds to the sound of the piano so intensely that he forgets about the bunch of bees on his hand. So as he's walking toward the casino with the piano playing there was an entirely different mood, a space being created between where the piano is being played in the building to K's position outside.

It's such a slow quiet scene and much more interesting when you realize K is closing the space between himself and the sound of the piano. I guess I didn't realize it until then because the 8th time I saw it happened to be the loudest, making the softer notes more noticeable and the quiet contrast more intense.

A personal reason why I'll watch a movie like this so many times is because it gives me a chance to think about certain things. That's why it's so essential for some of the scenes to be slow, like when K is looking through miles of genetic data and starts up Joi to help him think.

>Mere data makes a man
>A and C and T and G
>The alphabet of you

I get a chance to think, too. What am I? I am not a bunch of letters, but the letters do come together to make something, like when birds come together to form the shape of a "V." Birds aren't Vs, so what am I looking at when I'm looking at the V? An emergent phenomenon, a bunch of tiny things coming together making something other than the sum of its parts. What am I looking at when I look at my consciousness? Sometimes the V isn't perfect or a bird drops out and the shape is more a checkmark. Sometimes my consciousness is a little tired. I didn't get enough vitamins and want to fall asleep. It is so dependent on tiny material phenomena, but it looks to be a lot more than that. Like a big complicated V that I don't experience as a shape or visible pattern but as a big complex feeling of identification?

There is a school of thought that says the V isn't real, it's just an illusion. Birds can't spell. They don't know what a V is. You apply your separate knowledge of what a V is and apply it to that. But I don't have to know what a V is to know that it's there, that birds will do that thing, whatever you want to call it, and that my cells will do this thing that is me, and that A and C and T and G will do the cell thing.

What 1s and 0s can do a thing twice as elegantly?

>literally stoned freshman has "profound" thoughts: the post

>tfw too smart to think

wow bravo I hope to someday be as intelligent as you

OP I also saw this movie for the first time last night and thank god I finally had time (i planned to see it opening night, whoops) this film was genuinely one of the best I have ever seen and I hope it gets the praise it deserves in the future the way most movies like this end up doing. Our swinish society is too busy with capeshit to even give this a chance. Too impatient too look up the original to understand what they were getting themselves into. Loved the length of the movie.

This movie gave me everything I wanted and more. I can say it was a perfect film. Downloaded the soundtrack already

>I hope to someday be as intelligent as you
This is unlikely. You're a hopeless case if you seriously consider the autism in your previous post to contain anything of value and the mere occurrence of a thought in your head seems to be an end in itself and make you euphoric.

The sequel novels can't be canonical now.

>when you can put 'woah dude' in front of every sentence and literally nothing will change

>literally
>literally

Try again.

>Again
>again
>again
Try again.