What went right?

What went right?

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Nothing.

This was the only good thing about this forgettable film

Everything.

Marvel has assembled a crew of talented filmmakers who know how to craft high quality genre pieces. It's nothing special, but very good entertainment.

it's complete shit in terms of entertainment it's cartoons hitting eachother

>Unless it's an 11/10 it's shit

>>Sup Forums

Kek at this struggling thread. There is literally nothing to talk about with the mcu

Entertainment is valued by its popularity, ergo you are wrong.

scenes like this.

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^This is the set up.

This is the payoff.
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Kino

I liked how they thought this out and put them somewhere that Iron Man couldn't just blast Bucky to pieces.

Tony Stark being turned into a sympathetic antagonist. Also a good reminder why RDJ's acting was so well-received in IM1 in the first place.

Civil War was easily RDJ's best performance since the first Iron Man.

only good performance he did in this is surprise/shock when bucky shoots

Spider-Man Homecoming fucked up the timeline. So the events of Civil War didn't even happen now.

It went very right at the box office, can't get the appeal though, I hated it.

Transformers?

It was a better avengers movie than age of ultron

Marvel movies look like video game cutscenes. Why bother when the movie you picture in your mind based on the comic books is far superior?

How many times can i watch Robert Downey Jr. look bored of his role? How many times can i watch Captain America behave nothing like a kid from the early 1900s?

At the very least you have a character actor like Jeremy Renner playing Hawkeye off like the irreverent copy of Green Arrow that he is.

But seriously, why should i give a shit about any of these characters? Their alter egos get almost no development whatsoever. Again, only Jeremy Renner's character has any kind of forward thinking civilian life. Everyone else is a generic hero fighting CGI action scenes against boring villains who have no weight or depth. It's so droll.

How?

>against boring villains who have no weight or depth.
When exactly anyone in Civil War fights any kind of villain other than the opening scene?

What?

I tried watching it on netflix last week. I had to fast forward most of it because it was so fucking boring. Like a made for tv movie.

He is retarded, they retconned a small amount of the airport fight scene and where he lives, thats all. You could even argue that he moved house between civil war and homecoming anyway

not following the cliche "conflict is actually a misunderstanding, now lets work together to fight a third act no lead-up monster"

..They are the villains

Black Panther was a mistake.

That said, Marvel fans skipped JUSTice League, while DC fans showed up in droves to watch Civil War.

So you tell me who won?

>ITT: butthurt DCcucks and contrarian faggots

From 7/10 to 9/10 immediately when the last fight was not 'heroes put differences aside and fight a big cgi monster'

Objectively entertaining.

Stark going Looney Tunes homicidal crazy in the last act.

tony showing a holographic memory (!?!) of his personal life to a bunch of random college students. Just in case the audience was wondering if he had parents.

also the """"""twist"""" was stupid. Why would you show the video of Tony' Parents being murdered at the end? HE ALREADY HATED BUCKY. show it at the beginning, then it gives tony better motivation. also who was filming it? also why did Zemo know it existed.

Why frame bucky anyway? he was already a wanted criminal?

Why was Capt.America upset about the protocols? pretty sure its already illegal to go around beating up random citizens in foreign countries. He's not a cop or anything. Vigilante justice is pretty frowned upon in every fucking country on the planet.
>oh i wear a dumb costume
>so i get to do what i want

ZEMO's plan was nonsensical , not sure how he knew it would work

where did Zemo get a rubber bucky mask?

why did every character show up and run at each other at an empty air port?

Why did tony bring a teenager into a dangerous situation? Was Capt.America a hero trying to murder a totally innocent teen?

Was he a hero when he was killing a swat team who were right to arrest Bucky?

Spent the movie saving his friend from being jailed but ends with him being frozen

why did capt america like that weird potato faced girl??

why did most of the CGI look awful??

why was every scene grey? You could film any where but you made it in a grey office building, grey airport and a grey soviet lab

orange slices simply wasn't funny.

does RDJ even try to act anymore?

probably one of the worst comic stories turned into the worst Capt.America movie.

>Zemo breaks into a man's house
>audience is on the edge of their seats
>the man is now hanging upside down above a basin
>they begin to breathe loudly and wheezily through their noses
>Zemo opens the faucet
>there's some snickering as they try to hold in their hysterical anticipation
>as the water begins to enter the man's nostrils he says his final words
>Heil Hydra
>the audience erupts in laughter and collectively shits their pants at this quip
Walked out then and there, these fucking kid movies don't even have any pastiches of religious paintings.

Homecoming mentions its been eight years since Avengers 1.

In Civil War Vision tells Tony that its been eight years since he became Iron Man.

Since Avengers 1 did not take place 1 year after the events of the first Iron Man movie the entire timeline of the Marvel Cinematic Universe is now null and void.

Go to bed Snyder.

Tony genuinely loosing it and getting combo'd, the whole thing is stupid but it's the characters where it's at

Order and Chaos belong together.

I like how they show Wanda smiling and his delighted reaction to that. How he makes her smile, how she makes him feel like a human bean.

Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor, Cap waking up all happen in the same week. canonically. It's called "fury's big week".

Avengers did take place 1 year after Iron Man

Stark is narcissistic and egotistical enough to do that.

This is the guy who said "yeah, I'm Iron Man."

if you can't pay attention to a simple superhero movie, you're a brainlet

> Why would you show the video of Tony' Parents being murdered at the end?
because both the audience and tony didn't know they were murdered. they thought his parents died in a car crash

> HE ALREADY HATED BUCKY. show it at the beginning, then it gives tony better motivation.
he didn't hate bucky, he thought cap was being blinded by his friendship with bucky and not willing to see the big picture
> also who was filming it? also why did Zemo know it existed.
it's obviously a surveillance tape. zemo knew it existed due to the hydra docs that widow dumped on the internet after the fall of shield in cap 2

> Why frame bucky anyway? he was already a wanted criminal?
you just answered your own question, it's easy to frame a criminal. bucky also has a personal connection to cap, so it helps discredit the avengers, which is part of zemo's goal

> Why was Capt.America upset about the protocols? pretty sure its already illegal to go around beating up random citizens in foreign countries. He's not a cop or anything. Vigilante justice is pretty frowned upon in every fucking country on the planet.
do you not personal freedom? he doesn't go around punching random civs, the whole point of the movie is to fight for what you believe in vs fighting for what the government says you can fight for

> ZEMO's plan was nonsensical , not sure how he knew it would work
his plan was simple, obtain the tape's location from the hydra agent he tortured in cleveland. the agent was more based than he realized and didn't spill the secrets, so he improvised to lure out bucky

> where did Zemo get a rubber bucky mask?
not a mask, a wig

everything else, kill yourself

>Why was Capt.America upset about the protocols? pretty sure its already illegal to go around beating up random citizens in foreign countries. He's not a cop or anything. Vigilante justice is pretty frowned upon in every fucking country on the planet.


The Avengers in the MCU aren't crimebusters. They don't go around whacking bank robbers. They deal with big stuff, world ending events or major disasters. More relevant to the Accords however is where they launch missions and campaigns to bust international threats like HYDRA, when governments and the world at large have been inactive for a multitude of reasons.

The point is that they do what they do for reasons free, or above that, of geo-politics or agendas other than saving people and doing good. There's no US or Russian style foreign policy of doing morally dubious things like regime change, supporting terrorist groups or assassination for the purpose of playing a geo-political chess game or consolidating their own power. There's no reason for them to do so since they're a small team of powered vigilantes with no goal or agenda beyond saving the world.

The fear that Cap has is that by signing the accords, they lose that independence entirely. They become a pawn of government agendas. They're no longer the Avengers, not really, they're just an extension of SHIELD or the US Government or whatever. There will be situations that they could help or save people in that they won't be allowed to do because it might threaten political agendas or interests of the people holding their leashes, or conversely they'll be made to do things that are ultimately harmful and are just a power play for people with those agendas.

That's why Cap was right. Government control of the Avengers was a shock reaction and long-term would have fucked them over. Suddenly the Avengers aren't a team of superheroes out to do good, above the machinations of power play and political agendas, they're just really powerful soliders.

>Zemo's plan was simple
not really, also its based on the idea that Capt America wouldnt have already told Tony and that they show up at the same place at the same time
KYS Disney cuck

>its okay to break the law if you wear a stupid costume
okay kid. Its why these stories always suck in comic books. Realistically these people would not be allowed to operate
especially when half the team has no super powers anyway.

>what is suspension of disbelief
Are you legitimately fucking stupid? Do you become a smug cunt when you point out to people that kryptonite isn't real and that superman wouldn't be able to fly in real life? What is the point in even speaking up with your retarded opinions if you don't even understand how you're supposed to enjoy literal super-hero ficiton?

also

>using the law to gauge morality and calling anyone else a kid

Explain ONE (1) thing that the Avengers did that was wrong. Especially when they saved the entire Earth on two occasions and shut down HYDRA. Was there anything wrong for their reasons for doing so, either? Because from what I recall it was to save people.

>"That shield doesn't belong to you"

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Fuck me, that part hit hard.

Zemos plan shouldn't have worked. The only reason it did is because we needed conflict.

I think we can all agree that Zemo's contrived plan is the weakest part of the movie.

The fight scene was great, but the only reason Iron Man lost was because Cap's name was in the title

The first and third acts are very good, and approach TDK or Logan-quality "serious superhero movie".

The middle act with the airport battle feels like it belongs in a different movie, and drags it down several notches.

It feels really weird to have the jokey quipping and cartoonish stuff with Ant-Man and Spider-Man in the same movie where

>a guy gets dangled upside down and drowned in a sink
>Peggy Carter dies and gets a tearjerker of a funeral scene
>a UN meeting gets bombed, with accompanying 9/11 imagery
>Bucky is shown somewhat brutally killing Tony's parent

>Boring Villains
That's why a movie like Civil War should've been great, you don't automatically know who's gonna win when it's heroes against heroes. Unfortunately the Mouse fucked it up once again

>MARTHA!
This is bad.

>He killed my mommy!
This is good.

I don't see how they fucked it up considering it made over a billion dollars and was critically acclaimed.

Iron Man was winning too until Bucky distracted him.

Doesn't he have the mass of regular human bean?

There is a difference between making a genuinely good movie and making a nice 'safe' movie that will maximize profits

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You have no idea how hard the theatre cheered when RDJ said that line.

I inferred that per Iron Man 2, that Black Widow tells Stark that SHIELD has personality information of each member, so with the leaks after WS, Zemo can somewhat predict how Cap and IM will act.

idiot brainlet who can't pay attention to a simple cape movie

> zemo's original plan was to get the 1991 tape and dump it on the net/show stark that his avengers team was built on a lie

that's it.

everything that happens after the hydra agent doesn't cave to torture is improvised. he didn't know stark and cap would show up together, but he's not an idiot, he knew they were coming because he was in a fucking missile base that had surveillance and shit. people are predictable and he has special forces training and had years to read the winter soldier dox that widow dumped, and it's not exactly hard to predict stark's behavior

you kys brainlet

i was ambivalent towards cape shit for the longest time and you somehow managed to make me hate it

Are you going to try telling me DC shit is any less contrived?

o shit yeah lmao

Good ass writing.

The airport scene was the low point in terms of quality, especially when they started to drag Hawkeye and Ant-Man into the story for no reason, and I feel like Zemo takes too much of a backseat to the rest of the action, but everything else is fantastic.

>Are you going to try telling me DC shit is any less contrived?
They're both Shit marvelfag.

> muh costume argument

cap is a fucking super soldier with the abilities of 2 dozen combined
iron man is a billion dollar battle suit, WITH war machine for double the firepower
thor is a fucking god
hulk is a near invincible blunt instrument
wanda can alter reality and vision is an intangible android
the powerless members are still lethal assassins

they are far from some punk like spider-man stopping bank robbers

the real question is, who COULD stop them from operating? the governments of earth should be down on their knees thanking cap that he has a strong moral center and doesn't lead the avengers to tyranny

cap's argument is 100% valid. if they agreed to the accords, then muh bureaucracy and UN would force them to go to places they wouldn't want to and stop them from intervening where they should. their autonomy is their greatest strength

>A person suddenly on a first name basis with his own adoptive mother stopping the guy who was hellbent on killing him for the good of mankind dead in his tracks just by saying her name

vs.

>A man swallowed by unbridled fury that refuses to listen to reason because one of the people responsible for the greatest tragedies of his life is right in front of him and your friend knew that and refused to tell you

One requires some logical leaps to understand, one is basic human emotion.

this

going into the movie, i had a hard time coming up with how they'll let stark go to war with cap because he's always a futurist/thinking ahead/not really emotional vs critical thinking guy. the comic never really made stark's argument to be that "wrong," it was grey at best, just like cap's

but tweaking the comic to having bucky simply killed stark's parents is a brilliant move because now matter how logical stark is, that'll set off any emotional response from a person

the russos and the writers delivered kino

I have high hopes for the Russos but they need a new cinematographer for Infinity War.

>for no reason
Two super soldiers thought they were going to go fight 6 super soldiers, so yeah they enlisted all the help they could since their team was already fractured that included Ant Man who they knew of and Hawkeye who was retired.

just from the leaks the colouring is already better. But yeah, Civil War looked like a high budget episode of community

Exactly. A bit of a shame since everything else about CW is top-tier. Compare the emotional payload to BvS which is amateurish in comparison.

i think marvel/feige finally gained freedom from ike DURING civil war's shoot, so it was too late to change styles then

but since then we've seen them try funkier stuff with dr strange, guardians 2 and thor. you can't really do crazy stuff with a spider-man movie set in queens, so i'll give them a pass on that one

but i am cautious because it's the same DP as winter soldier and civil war. at least they're shooting everything entirely on imax. based

It's alright. Biggest problem with the movie is that it looks like shit, looks like a TV show. If there's one thing BVS did better was the cinematography. But the final fight was pretty cool and I liked Black Panther's interactions with people, he was fun.

>governments of earth should be down on their knees thanking cap that he has a strong moral center and doesn't lead the avengers to tyranny
i just had an interesting thought
with the failures of the dceu how long before marvel just starts stealing dc storylines/themes and repurposing them for marvel movies
because this sounds a lot like crime syndicate, justice lords, and injustive

citation needed