So Iron Fist is getting absolutely destroyed by critics. Are you worried? I am, I was looking forward to this shit

So Iron Fist is getting absolutely destroyed by critics. Are you worried? I am, I was looking forward to this shit

>The review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes reported a 12% approval rating with an average rating of 4.45/10 based on 17 reviews. The website's critical consensus reads, "Despite some promising moments, Iron Fist is weighed down by an absence of momentum and originality."[77] Metacritic, which uses a weighted average, assigned a score of 35 out of 100 based on 8 critics, indicating "generally unfavorable reviews".[78]

Reviewing the first six episodes of the series, Daniel Fienberg for The Hollywood Reporter had negative thoughts, calling Iron Fist Marvel and Netflix's "first big misstep" adding, "Iron Fist feels like a step backward on every level, a major disappointment that already suffers from storytelling issues through the first six episodes... and would probably be mercifully skippable in its entirety if it weren't the bridge into the long awaited Defenders crossover series."

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Is this review by someone who isn't mad he's not Asian?

i can't imagine every single reviewer is just mad about that, no one is giving it good reviews

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Fist_(TV_series)#Critical_response

nah, the negative shit I hear is all about him not being asian. I'm looking forward to it. And I will probably end up enjoying it, cause I like cheesy kung fu shit.

>Are you worried?
of course not Marvel has proved time and time again that they make nothing but great stuff

like said most of these reviews are by SJWs butthurt that Danny isn't Asian

You'd be surprised how the biggest gripe in nearly every review is about him not being made Asian.
It may very well be shit but id take anything these liberal regressives say with a huge grain of salt.

i didn't want him to be asian either, but i don't get why you guys have so much confidence in Loras, he always seemed like the wrong choice to me and apparently he did a pretty bad job. i'm still gonna watch the show and see for myself, but i won't be surprised if it's bad

I'm not a film critic so why would I care if it has "storytelling" problems? As long as it does not make me bore my brain out, it should be fine.

Yeah, all the actual negatives I'm hearing make it sound awful and generic. Bad fightscenes, story direction is trash and Finn isn't good enough to carry the show.

Would it have been so difficult to mix up the whole formula and have him start in cosrume

I don't know why people like you cite reviews. Everything the showrunners have been saying in interviews is largely concerning. You should have already given up on it.

No revenge plot and no mysticism mean that it's already not an Iron Fist show.

Too bad because most of the critics said it was boring.

>bad fight scenes

out of every character in marvel, iron fist ends up with bad fight scenes? oh the irony

I wish the bad reviews were just because of race, but this is made by the guy who ran the later seasons of Dexter. The guy who thought it was a good idea for Dexter to become a lumberjack.

wait, i saw him punch through a wall in a teaser, how can there be no mysticism?

>Rotten Tomatoes reported a 12% approval rating with an average rating of 4.45/10 based on 17 reviews
>average rating of 4.45/10 based on 17 reviews
>17 reviews

>relying on wikipedia to tell you information instead of actually reading said reviews

There is you're first problem. After you stop being a raging faggot, pull your head out of your ass and read a review or two. The mass majority of these early ones are just assblasted SJWs bitching that Danny is played by a white guy and not an Asian actor.

Exactly. We also see some glow-y hand Iron Fist stuff. I question if said critics even watched the show or are too blinded by their "diversity filter". I have a feeling the majority of them decided they hated the show before even watching the first episode.

This. Only SJWs are fighting this show. Marvel has a track record of some of the best TV ever created and missing Iron Fist because DC bought a bunch of pet SJWs to trash them would be stupid.

alright alright, but i'm wondering if you've already decided to love it. i guess we'll see on friday, boy will that be a Sup Forums Sup Forums clusterfuck

Who are the reviewers? What are their qualifications? Christ Stuckmann is a reviewer on RT and he's shit.

>but i'm wondering if you've already decided to love it

Nah. I'm holding reservation till I see the show on Friday.

I have a feeling its more of the same. If you liked the previous Netflix Marvel stuff, you'll like this. If you didn't like the previous stuff, you'll hate it.

this is called "confirmation bias" kids
please read the actual reviews and pay attention to when the casting decisions are brought up. They appear occasionally but the general consensus is its actually shit.

it'll be funny when you watch it, realize it's actually bad, but then pretend to like it to save face

>What are their qualifications?
Clickbaiting SJWs

yeah reviewers don't know shit, it's why everyone gets excited when they give shows like daredevil great reviews, but when they give bad reviews then they're just morons.

Remember how before Fembusters came out it had a shit ton of positive reviews?

>the general consensus is its actually shit.
Yeah, said reviewers think the casting is shit BECAUSE Finn Jones isn't Asian. Count how many times "Asian cultural appropriation" is said in those reviews, for example.

>i want to take my time with the show
>i don't want to miss the threads when it comes out

goddamn your format netflix

They probably just treat it like a normal superpower like heat vision or something and don't mention the actual meaning.

>Exactly. We also see some glow-y hand Iron Fist stuff. I question if said critics even watched the show or are too blinded by their "diversity filter". I have a feeling the majority of them decided they hated the show before even watching the first episode.

The critics aren't the ones who said it. It's the people actually working on the show. You're being reactionary for some reason here and I don't know why.

gamesradar.com/netflixs-iron-fist-wont-be-wearing-his-costume-or-even-a-mask-anytime-soon/

>“We’re trying to keep things extremely grounded and real and tell our stories through characters. So the mystical aspect is something we like to hint at, the idea that there is something bigger and larger out there, but we don’t delve into it all that deeply.”

I haven't watched a full season of a netflix marvel show since Daredevil season 1. It looked shit and same-old-same-old to me from the very first trailer.

unless they're bad reviews for the right stuff

polygon.com/tv/2017/3/13/14907270/iron-fist-finn-jones-negative-reviews-defense

ITS MADE FOR THE FANS

In hindsight, the signs were all there

All the Marvel Netflix shows have had a kind of tone that seems ill suited for Iron Fist. He's not a grim and gritty urban crime fighter, even if he does fight crime in grim and gritty urban environments frequently. Weirdly enough the Dr. Strange movie probably got the tone better than the show.

Beyond that, I question the ability of an American production to produce 13 episodes of kickass fighting. Daredevil had a few good fights but they were kind of sparse, all things considered. Luke Cage and Jessica Jones didn't have squat.

>Marvel has a track record of some of the best TV ever created

So you think Agents of SHIELD is objectively good, huh?

Way to discredit yourself, junior.

Most of the reviews seem to be saying the action scenes are shit and the writing in general is bad

But sure, the show is probably great and SJWs are just being meanies about it

If it was made for the fans they wouldn't have had Luke fuck his gf. They don't give a single fuck about the fans.

I mean... they made sure to give Daredevil his costume despite the fact taht the black one was fine and they didn't need to rush the stupid looking red one in the first season. And they dropped hints of Kun'Lun with Madam Gao and had zombie ninjas around. JJ and LK literally have superpowers.

With Iron Fist they didn't even bother to get good martial arts people on ti so the fight scenes would look good.

better than anything on the CW

yeah, hinting at the mystical would make sense if this is the first show, but not after Daredevil Season 2 and Strange

I usually give a show three episodes before i decide i like it or hate it, i'm gonna give this six since i love Iron Fist.

god please let this just be asian hysteria

>Iron Fist is weighed down by an absence of momentum and originality

Its amazing how people think this partly because of Arrow.

>Agents of SHIELD
Unironically good. Ghost Rider and LMD arcs were both very well done.

>god please let this just be asian hysteria

You know, it's only white people who are complaining that Danny isn't Asian.

Actual Asian people don't give a shit.

>He's not a grim and gritty
Neither was Luke Cage, with all the glorious blaxploitation-esque funk and whatnot.

Eh I'll still like it more than any of the Disney movies mostly because its a tv show and involves a more interesting character.

Even if it were good it probably would have been destroyed by critics. Mainstream media feels sleighted because Danny isn't asian. fuck em.

Could be they keep bringing up the casting and Asian thing because the show didn't even manage to get the best people for the job and instead seemed to have hired the first notable people who didn't already work for them and were currently available.
So maybe they are going overboard with SJW complaints. But it might simply be that in the end Marvel didn't even bother to make the show good despite being adamant in their "adherence" to canon.

Part of the problem might be their insistence on sticking to 13 episodes. Iliked both Luke Cage and Daredevil S2, but tell they wouldn't have been better and tighter with 10 or even 8 episodes

It's not better than Riverdale and iZombie.

>So you think Agents of SHIELD is objectively good, huh?

When will the "AoS is shit!" meme die? Anyone who thinks this isn't any better than the SJWs bitching about alleged Asian cultural appropriation or whitewashing in Iron Fist.

From the common folks or the critics? Because point me towards a review that bring up race
>time and time again that they make nothing but great stuff
He says as the Thor movies are crap and the Hulk hasn't been given any new movies

Have you ever watched a blaxploitation movie? They're gritty as fuck

The grimness levels tend to vary but it's never exactly a walk in the park, unless you're Rudy Ray Moore

>When will the "AoS is shit!" meme die?

I won't begrudge anybody who quit the show midway through or after season 1.

It was legitimately as bad as bad can be. Any improvement it might have made afterward is immaterial. A season THAT FUCKING bad justifies dropping the show and never looking back.

btw, if anyone wants a wacky kung fu show, check out Into the Badlands. It's on a lower side of a budget spectrum, but it's fun.

>Actual Asian people don't give a shit.

This. Most Asians are confused as to why white people even care.

Its just SJWs trying to feel self important.

>Have you ever watched a blaxploitation movie? They're gritty as fuck
Depends on the movie, I would hardly call Blacula, Blackenstein, Cleopatra Jones, Boss Nigger and Black Dynamite for gritty.

White people are so pathetic that they have to get offended FOR minorities, even when minorities don't care.

>"Silly colored person, you aren't smart enough to know when you've been insulted. But don't worry! I'll get offended FOR you and save you the trouble!"

Shitheads.

>Mainstream media feels sleighted because Danny isn't asian.

Their basic mentality is:
>Martial arts movies are Asian, right?
>ONLY Asians people can play in ASIAN things!
>Its "diversity", guise! We're not promoting stereotypes in any way! Its D-I-V-E-R-S-I-T-Y!

>feel self important.
You misunderstand. SJWs that whine about this stuff make money off of their cries. Reviewers and youtubers, patreon bloggers and gamejournalists. They aren't SJWs because they feel like it. That's how they make their money. It's a job that doesn't require talent or qualifications.

You could say the same thing about Star Trek: TNG.

>unless you're Rudy Ray Moore
>Implying
youtube.com/watch?v=I-tuQ0mnkhc
Rudy Ray Moore has had a hard life.

>Could be they keep bringing up the casting and Asian thing because the show didn't even manage to get the best people for the job

Its not. Nearly every review specifically bitches about Iron Fist being a white guy and has some mention of "Asian cultural appropriation". Read the reviews. Its obnoxious.

After the fact they tack on an "oh yeah, and the show was boring... blah blah blah." as if its a complete after thought.

well not entirely true, there was the whole star wars thing(GO ASIANS!) and the Ghost in the Shell which is more understandable since it's an asian show. but even then, when people got mad johnny storm was black it was racist, when people got mad ScarJo was playing an asian role it was justified, it's a little hypocritical

What the fuck are you talking about? Actual Asian-Americans are the people who've been complaining the most. Other groups didn't even think it was an issue before then. They're just providing unwavering backup because the basic principles of the issue align with their own overall viewpoints anyway or because to do otherwise would be considered racist.
#AAIronFist was a hashtag started by an Asian-American guy and was primarily used by the Asian-American community before SJW and Black twitter jumped on it too
This isn't even the first time this year. Constance Wu was ready to tear down the whole Chinese movie industry for the casting of Matt Damon in Great Wall.

The fans of Iron Fist who don't like Misty, kung fu magic, dragons, his costume and camp in general?

Sure.

Yeah, it's an extension of Race Hustling.

Do you think people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson WANT racial equality? Do you think people like Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian WANT gender equality?

Of course not. They've made their fortunes exaggerating and exploiting those perceived inequalities. If true equality were ever achieved, they'd be out of a job.

Black Dynamite is an affectionate parody, I'd hardly call it a "genuine" example of the genre.

they should have thought of that before whitewashing the main character

This is true for tons of shows, though.

For the record, only the first 11 or 12 episodes are bad. And they aren't actually bad. The tone is just all over the place. Once the show finds its footing, its pretty good.

I fucking hate everything about the people behind this adaption of Iron Fist. How can you fly so far off the mark? Iron Fist is a simple cartoony concept. Magical Kungfu Pajama man fights evil. THAT'S IT.

3 out of your 5 examples parodies

Badlands has great fights, but abysmal an abysmal plot and some really cringy dialogue. So go into it knowing this. Super entertaining, though, just for the fights.

>the Ghost in the Shell which is more understandable since it's an asian show

But actual Japanese people LIKED the casting of Scarlet Johansen because white people look more like anime characters. It doesn't bother them when white people are cast in live action versions of anime.

Again, it's just another case of white people getting offended on behalf of non-white people because they've got no real turmoil in their lives worth getting up in arms about.

>I'm not a film critic so why would I care if it has "storytelling" problems?
You are part of the problem.

Should also mention the eyebrowfu.

>What the fuck are you talking about? Actual Asian-Americans are the people who've been complaining the most.

No. They haven't. Just because some Asian SJW threw a fit on Twitter and got Finn Jones to temporarily close his account, does not make them the majority. Just look at the people who have put out Iron Fist reviews already.

Hint: most of them are white.

Look at Tumblr and Twitter (the two places with the most complaining).

Hint: Most of the people bitching are white.

Better than any DC show.

NO user STOP IT
YOU MUST HATE IT BECAUSE HE'S WHITE, NOT BECAUSE IT'S SHIT

JUST LIKE SAID

has more to do with the opening of the asian market to movies than any actual concern for diversity. like the Kung Force star wars guy

Actual Japanese people didn't like or hate it. They didn't care because there's already a Japanese version of Ghost in the Shell. It's called Ghost In the Shell. They were fine with Americans making their own versions.
Meanwhile Americans are getting so angry about representation they can't even think straight and start fan-casting Japanese actress who have no problem getting work instead of Japanese-American actress who actually do need some jobs and actually are part of the demo that's supposedly being underrepresented in American films.

Does anyone else cry themselves to sleep since the news broke out about this show being crumby or is that just me???

Of the seven reviews on RT by top critics, 2 of them use the phrase "cultural appropriation". Amongst other RT critics, I found one review that used the phrase, and it was to say "people had already accused Iron Fist of this".

So, you know, eat shit fuckface.

>and the Ghost in the Shell which is more understandable since it's an asian show

All of which are people who have zero understanding of Ghost in the Shell. Literally nothing in the source material says Kusanagi should be Asian. In fact, she's explicitly stated to be from a country outside of Japan. Fuck, her name wasn't even "Motoko Kusanagi" originally. That was a name given to her by Section 9.

>b-b-but its Japanese! She HAS to be Asian.
Congratulations. You've completely missed the entire point of Ghost in the Shell. Its about trans-humanism. And what it means to be HUMAN and how race/ethnicity/sexuality/gender are completely and utterly irrelevant.

What pisses me off is that the movie looks like shit and as soul less as you can get. Who gives a shit Scarlet is the Major when the "Major" has been reduced to be yet another generic action girl lead?

Because that's what Scarlet will turn her into, and if the trailers represent even 20% of the movie tone it's just some dumb hollywood action shit.

Fucking this. This user gets it.

This is a frustrating thread. There's enough legitimate reasons to critique how SJW rhetoric has helped to ruin discourse and water down creativity to not have to deal with so many people making up entirely new reasons to be mad about this shit.

>Nearly every review specifically bitches about Iron Fist being a white guy and has some mention of "Asian cultural appropriation".
>Read the reviews.

You clearly haven't.

at the end of the day, this is Sup Forums, we'll all watch the show at least once regardless so there's no damage done, we're just speculating at this point. i get why fans of the character want to still believe in the show

To be honest, the only Netflix show I enjoyed all the way through was DD Season 1. Every other season of the Netflix shows are so bloated with filler and slow scenes that it was bound to catch up with them. Iron Fist was going to be the worst offender not because of the race thing, but because they want to do a fantastic series on a minimal budget, thus removing all the fantastic elements of the character like punching the dragon.

It would be like a Spider-Man Netflix show where you never actually see him swinging. Just landing his feet on the ground.

Having a guy wear kung fu pajamas might be a bit too silly in a universe with talking racoons and sentient trees you guys

The others are wholly applicable, though. So the point still stands.

Personally, I think it's a fucking miracle they let Daredevil have a costume at all.

I don't get the Ghost in the Shell thing, Japan clearly doesn't give a single solitary fuck about racial portrayal. In the live action movies of both Attack on Titan and Full Metal Alchemist, series where 95% of the cast are Germanic, every single actor cast was Japanese.

I liked JJ for the plot. But it was bloated as hell.

Shit, Lupin III is canonically French, but every live-action movie they've made, from the 70s one to the recent one, have cast Japanese actors for the part.

The only people getting their knickers in a twist are fat, dumpy Murricans.

That's because in Japan there aren't enough non-asian actors, they are racially homogeneous as hell

He's half French. Let's just be fair about that.

well yeah, japan is exteremely homogenous, it's not easy finding caucasian actors there

There's a reply for that too, it's okay there because there aren't many white people in Japan.

Which, y'know, IS fair but also what this is about, asian-american actors trying to leverage this into better roles. A ton of this "who can play what" crap is just hollywood politics with a identity politics sheen.

When dare devil came out I managed to have some nice anons recommend some comics for me to read instead of watching these garbage shows.

What are must reads for iron fist?

>You clearly haven't.
Neither have you. Classic hypocrisy stance.

it's spawning shit memes like this
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