What is your opinion on LGBT representation in modern cartoons?

What is your opinion on LGBT representation in modern cartoons?

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its gay

You hardly see it, but Sup Forums will bitch about it anyways.

it's almost all smoke and mirrors to try and get prog points without losing any china bucks

Unnecessary. No need to pander to a loud minority, they're not important.

Too much tumblr gay pandering not enough Sup Forums gay pandering.

It's not worth talking about. It works better when you don't.

It's rarely done correctly.

Homosexuality needs to exist in the middle ground of a characters development: if you pull a Korra, it feels like you're just tacking on the gay to earn progressive points and prove you're a good liberal, which devalues the character as a whole. However, if you make the fact that the character is gay the sole focus of the character, that also devalues their worth because you're essentially saying that the only reason society cares about gay people is because they are gay and no other reason.

I sound like a broken record when this subject comes up but the best example of gay characters done right in a show is Gus and Wally from Mission Hill. They were gay, yes, but they had foibles just like anyone else on the show and their homosexuality was never directly brought up unless it was for a joke ("That is a hurtful term. Please stop using it or I will be forced to clobber you.") or used to provide greater insight into their origins (namely, the last episode). Gus and Wally weren't "the gay couple", they were "the funny neighbors who happened to be gay".

Its even worse when, like Korra, an entire character's arc or development is disrupted to make room for a shoehorned gay couple or character. Making a character gay for no reason does not suddenly flesh out a thin character or constitute meaningful character development just for the sole reason they are gay.

it's great, we could use more

>the best example of gay characters done right in a show is Gus and Wally from Mission Hill
Exactly this. They were funny and interesting characters who just happened to be gay.

Queers are fine. Fuck whoever you want.

Trannies have a mental disorder. They believe something about themselves that is biologically incorrect. If they want to mutilate themselves and pump their bodies full of hormones, sure, fine, do whatever you want with your body. But don't demand that me and my wife's son treat it like its something totally normal. Kids shouldn't be exposed to that type of thing.

Says the guy posting on a chinese coloring book forum where only ten boards over one can find horse porn.

Yeah. I think Simone still remains the best example of a gay character. There's no need for drama or praise about it. She just dates a girl and that's that.

umm who cares about gay people?

>What is your opinion on LGBT representation in modern cartoons?
The latest being all that talk with Star Vs. Having gays in just the background seems pretty retarded, and I don't know why some people think it's worth praising or complaining about.

I'd still like it if there was an action cartoon that featured a cool male MC who was gay. I would've appreciated something like that a lot when I was around 12-14. Instead I ended up finding comfort in anime/manga where 2D gayshit was more common, but that was a mistake.

If they don't make a big deal about it, I won't make a big deal about it. But lo and behold, people will do exactly both things, because homosexuality brings out the faggotry in everyone.

Are you discriminating against equisexuals?

>Chinese coloring books
It's Thai woodblock carvings you hack

Its done badly more often than good and it only leaves a bad taste afterwards

A lot of people seem to get their ass in a twist whenever there's a m/m or f/f couple kissing in the background. So they care, I guess.

Clyde's dads on The Loud House and Bug's dads on Future Worm work well because they don't bring too much attention to it.

I don't understand why people have such a problem with it. No matter what parents or likewise 'concerned' people think they can control, their kids will encounter, know or become LGBT. Pretending it doesn't exist isn't going to change anything and is just extremely childish.

It's literally a non-issue.

I don't have a problem with it. But most of the time it feels forced.


It's like... the point of the characters are that they are gay/lesbian whatever you want to call them. It should be more like this character is this type of person who just happens to be gay.

>He's a hero who happens to be gay.
>He's gay. Oh yeah I guess he is a superhero too but the main point is he's gay.

The same as my opinion on gay shit in anything else:
I don't care and if you want me to care, fuck off

>that banana

couldnt she have just... bought a shirt with a moon on it

the authoritarian left actually holds most of the cartoon industry by the balls, so it's nigh impossible to avoid LGBTQA issues being forced into the forefront of a series eventually.

Yeah, but that's not as funny

Unnecessary virtue signalling.

Forced as badly as the black best friend in the early 00's.
Can't really do anything about it, artists only see the world as an infinite copy paste of their art class, forever, no matter the country. They have those gay furrie lgbt(at the same time) people around them, and just assume that's how the whole world works, from their california school to the country side of Serbia and universities of Japan.

I still don't get why people slaps all sexual variation as the same "community". a gay man has no reason to feel tolerant to a post of trans. The idea that having a "common enemy" is enough is really close to indoctrination more than anything.

Is the black best friend really forced though? Token black kid is pretty common unless you live in an extremely predominately white neighborhood.

I would agree if it were Captain Planet style with an entire episode dedicated to how LGBT people are perfect and unfairly oppressed.

A gay character just existing isn't 'forced' though. Pearl from SU has more issues surrounding her love for Rose than sexuality, for example. People just concentrate on that aspect because they have an issue with it.

it'd be okay if it was done in a way that wasn't excessively blatant.

people seem to forget two things: show don't tell, and that a character shouldn't be defined by this one trait.

they've made characters defined by that trait when honestly it should just be an inconsequential part of the character itself, it really shows that they get caught up in the act of announcing how stunning and brave they are for including a character with this trait that they have to blow up the presence of that trait on the character. This kind of mindset keeps these traits from being normalized, and just pushes a bigger image that the people in these groups /don't/ want to be normal, they want to be special, they want to stand out by having these traits and it degrades humanity as a whole when it's proven true, time and time again by the lack of argument from 'those' kinds of people when this blatant shit happens, they don't care about character depth, just ticking off a fucking quota.

>Token black kid is pretty common
even if you reach 10% black people, there's no reason for every kid to befriend the black person especially if you factors that not all black people are nice to hang with, just like white ones or asian ones.

Pretty non sense, but Svtfoe just using them as background so it's ok to me, but forcing character to become Gay because "we support LGBT" is plainly awful.

It has to come naturally. A good example is shoreleave or the alchemist from venture bros or jeff parents from claerence.

In korra it was shitty and forced to try to give people a reason to care about a mediocre cartoon but in the examples listed above it was fine.

Characters are characters first and homosexuals second and should be treated as such and should never be used as a ploy to garner attention or approval.

Because of numbers. The LGBT community knows they are a tiny, tiny percentage of the population and their old guard are OBSESSED with making that seem bigger as a safety net, to the point of looking the other way for bad behavior and allowing the bi and trans kids to get stepped on/molded into fucked up footsoldiers.

It is a powder keg that is going to explode as homosexuality becomes more and more, well, normal. Not as many reasons to band together against The Enemy, more looking at what the fuck the old guard are doing/imposing on the new generation. Not now, but in a generation or two we might see some real interesting shit go down.

It's a shame Milo Y was such a piece of shit because conservative or just anti-party line gays needed a voice and he was the closest thing they've ever had. Maybe one'll come out of the woodwork who isn't a motherfucker one of these days.

I know that there are lots of cartoons that appeal to furries, but what about representation of furries themselves? There are a massive number of furries, but they are non-existent in mainstream media of any kind. Of course, people will say this is not discriminatory. I guess "discrimination" just means what people with power want it to mean.

No need to pander to a loud minority, they're not important.
I really wish you would lay off the blacks, Sup Forums. Luke Cage didn't do anything to you.

jack x johnny
i didnt know i needed this

So far, all I've seen of can be summed up in:
Lesbians are awesome and okay.. Gay dudes? What are those?

sure, but do it well. y'know, like maybe, actually making the CHARACTER FIRST, sexuality 2nd. id love to see some canon aces.
now that i think about it, has there been a trangsgender MC?

The problem is how would you reveal that a main character is gay without it being called 'forced'?

Yesterday's thread about LeFou shows people don't know what they want

> gayness should be treated as a background thing, not brought up as something important and integral to the character!
> if it's not important, why even make them gay? Gayness should always be relevant to the plot!
> they do it for attention, that's why I continue to give it to them by posting about this constantly!

Personally, my only problem is with shitty retcons like with Iceman. And like I always say: more flamboyant villains that want to molest the hero, please.

Doesn't bother me. Some people are gay so why wouldn't they show up in cartoons? Just don't make a huge deal about it when you put them in cartoons, or it'll come off like pandering.

I don't think The Loud House was too bad with Clyde's two dads. It's not like they were "Lincoln, meet my two gay dads who are gay. For each other. Because they're gay."

It shouldn't be done for attention at least. Marvel tries to appeal certain people by forcing diversity and shit and its garbage.

It should never feel forced.

I think there should be more hot lesbian chicks doing lewd stuff.

Marvel has also literally said that they move comics by making people rage-buy them. Posting a million times about how much they suck without arguments behind it is clearly what they want.

plenty of ways. probably would still be called forced by some because hes gay at all by retards

>It's a shame Milo Y was such a piece of shit because conservative or just anti-party line gays needed a voice and he was the closest thing they've ever had. Maybe one'll come out of the woodwork who isn't a motherfucker one of these days.

Dave Rubin maybe?

The entire issue is "making" people gay, instead of creating characters that are gay.
Same with "black heroes".

>Gayness should be confined to the background
>If it's not important to me, rewrite their character to be a christian straight.
>I think people are only gay for attention.

Nice points, Grandpa.

It's shit. At least the american one. They are shove-in as much as possible. And the tumblr/twitter autism makes sure to push it even more, and labels everyone who criticizes it as the fucking devil.
If you look at the gay rep in European or Eastern cartoons, they are treated just like everyone else. Nothing special.

When will the burger/leaf animation kill itself?

Simply representing minorities in media isn't signaling.

Aren't their sales in the toliet because they fucked over their real fans?

>instead of creating characters that are gay.
>Same with "black heroes".

In the case of Marvel, barring Iceman, all the characters have been (badly written) legacies.

>aces
Humans by definition cannot be asexual. And "aces" is a fucking autistic way of describing "I don't want to fuck random people 24/7"

Also one of Ponyhead's relatives is "trans-ish" in that they were sewn to a headless horse body back to somehow exists and had their horn sawed off. But for main characters, you could probably BS every single Autobot is trans.

Hillary Swank once played a mentally ill freak-er I mean, tranny

No, but openly expressing pro-diversity beliefs is.

more often than not, its forced by seeming in your face. clarence did it well with jeffs two moms. they just were there, nobody mentions it. nobody makes a big deal. it presented itself as normal, which is what i think is good.

mission hill did it well also. just two dudes in the building, doing their thing.

then theres SU with steven constantly telling everyone "whaaa why cant we all just get along guys" followed by a sour change of heart. i think zizek calls out moments like these as a sort of fascism in itself

>Humans by definition cannot be asexual. And "aces" is a fucking autistic way of describing "I don't want to fuck random people 24/7"
here we go

>Also one of Ponyhead's relatives is "trans-ish" in that they were sewn to a headless horse body back to somehow exists and had their horn sawed off. But for main characters, you could probably BS every single Autobot is trans.
nah man, dont count

as opposed to what, expresing anti-diversity beliefs? Name a show that expresses absolutely no opinion at all, go ahead.

I think the sad thing is when people make up reasons to be shitty about what other people do with their lives and bodies. Like calling it a mental illness or thinking that the entire population are suddenly going to be become gay against their will and stop breeding.

Just how hard is it to understand "Stop being assholes to other people"?

this
even if i dont understand something i can still respect it. same goes for belifs i dont share like their religions
its like people forgot you can be civil even if you dont agree

I think the aim is that gay characters become natural enough that they won't raise eyebrows among the viewership, thus the term "representation" becoming a needless redundancy.

Of course, that's not what neither liberals nor conservatives want, since both sides profit from the outrage.

Here's the thing, transgender IS a mental illness. Just like BIID where perfectly healthy people want to become cripples.

And the thing with gays is that all of their acceptance propaganda directly plays against them. If it's chosen, it can be just as easily not chosen. If it's not a choice, than it can be treated. If it's like race, then it's entirely cosmetic and you can be pretty much whatever culturally while still not looking it (Afro Samurai)

>Here's the thing, transgender IS a mental illness
who
cares

I mean LeFou is literally using a nasty old gay stereotype and patting yourself on the back for it. "Oh he doesn't know if he wants to kiss Gaston or be him.", the submissive sidekick Smithers type.

Which works when it's funny, but it's not...really anything NEW.

No it isn't. Diversity sells because it broadens your fanbase. A wider range of people can relate with characters. Furthermore getting along with people you have differences with is one of the simplest morals around.

I'm not familiar with his work, maybe. If he can present cogent points about manhood (or in the case of a lesbian, womanhood) without going full alt-right psychopath or defending chickenhawking as an important part of development hey why not.

>If it's not a choice, than it can be treated.
What sort of jump in logic is that?

Besides it's definitely not a choice. Whether the determining factors are genetic, environmental or both doesn't matter. Those things all shape who you are as a person, and you can't change the core of that.

Seriously, (assuming you're not a closet gay) you try and masturbate to some gay porn right now and see what happens.

While we're all being anons here, pansexual always bugged me. "I only want to be with people I have FEELINGS for."

Like no shit I guess the rest of us are just meat puppets then.

I feel like, as usual, a lot of this shit is kids getting bad advice from echo chambers who need a name for pretty standard stuff or just bad sex ed. Just about everyone I know gets MORE attracted to a partner as feelings develop.

The last asexual person I talked to had a fucking meltdown because she was wildly attracted to a dude with his shirt off and didn't know what to do. Perhaps the answer was 'accept that you are into sex after all', since a decent amount I've had contact with say "oh whoops I just needed the right date/encounter ha ha ha fuck me.", but again how do you say that to someone who feels legit suicidal because they run into a situation that challenges the box they have put themselves in from high school.

idk it's not something I'm going to tell someone to their face because who the fuck am I, it just quietly grinds my gears that I'm seen as some wild animal because I am not the proper sexuality to control my dick.

>supposed to be progressive and accepting
>but works from the worst nazi clichés
LGBT works from actual LGBT authors are usually medicore. LGBT works from non-lgbt sjw usually more offensive than anything altright could come up with.

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You mean Demisexuals. Pansexuals are just bisexuals who don't feel "bisexual" is "sexually inclusive" enough

It's all still total BS though

I mean body dysphoria is a mental illness. It's something that needs to be treated by a doctor. That's not a question, that's science fact.

We used to have a name for just wanting to dress in clothes traditional to the other gender, it was called cross dressing or transvestism. It generally wasn't taken as seriously as trans sexuality because it WAS a choice, something people did for fun or comfort (though yeah awful shit happened to people and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.)

The recent trend of combining these two traditions has caused more harm than good, I think, because what a transsexual wants and what a transvestite wants are mutually exclusive. They are different ideas and conditions and should be treated differently.

Telling someone they're a bad person for wanting to transition or be left alone because you fetishize a mythical third gender is kind of assholish too, in other words, or shoving a group's unique issues under the rug so their problems can be presented as a more uniform concern.

tldr; transsexuality is a more complicated beast than just 'don't be assholes guys come on ;_;' and it does these people a disservice to pretend otherwise.

>because she was wildly attracted to a dude with his shirt off and didn't know what to do.
well did she think he was hot or did she actually wanna fuck him? because those are two seperate things

It shouldn't be allowed. Exposing kids to homosexuality at a young age is disgusting.

I don't have anything against fags and dykes, but stop pandering to tumblr. That bullshit with korra was pure pandering so tumblr would love it.

I dunno the person bailed before we could have an actual conversation about it, thanks to some asshole in the chat going "why the fuck are you talking about your problems here." and her listening to him over six people telling him to fuck off. You know how it goes.

If I had to guess one with a lead in to two because she kept saying "but I'm an asexual" like a zen koan. It was probably a sudden, intense attraction she didn't know what to do with because she's a little delicate and prone to being easily overwhelmed.

I don't really care. I guess that seeing how so many animators are shoving in lgbt background characters and going on about how it's sooo important and how they wished they'd seen gay characters when they were growing up, maybe it's good for some people.

I just wish it won't turn into tokenism, and that instead a character being gay would be treated normally and matter-of-factly, so that them being GAY OMG SO PROGRESSIVE wouldn't be a plot point for progressive brownie points. It shouldn't be "representation", in that sense, some characters should just happen to be gay and it's not a big deal.

In some sense gay characters could open up possibilities for new plotlines and dynamics. The anime Yuri on Ice for example did it quite well, and the setting of the MCs going from competitors to lovers in a pro sports setting would be impossible with a het couple due to men and women competing in different series. So gay characters could bring some good plot material to the table, if written well.

>exposing kids to the existence of blacks is disgusting
Whatever you say, gramps.

My mistake. And maybe I'll give that a check sometime.

I dunno I try to...keep my judginess to myself because I'm an older dude and I get that a lot of this is kids being kids, but part of me worries how much long term damage the social media echo chamber effect is doing.

Then I remember that's what my generation's parents said about video games. But we have harder data backing the echo chamber thing up. It's frustrating.

Not an argument

I don't care as long as it's not constantly shoved in my face.
two guys or two gals kissing in the background, who the fuck cares?

Neither was your post.

Why didn't you use an actual LGBT character for the OP? Cucks aren't on the LGBT spectrum.

well there certainly are plenty of people who mistake their shit. happens all the time with othe sexualities.
but aces can love and think people are hot from afar. shes being pretty dumb about it sounds like

No, "pansexuals" also bring up that pretentious shit about they being above physical attraction and genders, claiming that what attracts is what's on the inside instead.

It's that old and trite cliché of "Real Beauty Is On The Inside" made into a sexuality.

Plus, since bisexuals are always under suspicion by gays and transexuals, changing your designated Greco-Latin prefix to something more offbeat immediately gets you right with your Community again. Like one bisexual once told me, the more you seem to deviate from heteronormativity, the less you will be perceived as being capable of betraying the Community, which is precisely what bisexual get accused of constantly.

say it is a mental illness, because our bodies arent meant to be that way.
then not wanting to be a parent is also an illness. not wanting to have orgies instead of one partner is also an illness.
i think people forget that evolution is just a matter of chance and has no conciousness of its own

either way, doesnt make a difference in their life so why care?

low key is fine, but I hate how it is becoming a meme almost. its making it hard not to notice instead of being a nice nod, plus any hug is screamed about on any news station or blurb online.

I was telling a friend some shows I enjoyed and suggested she give Star a watch because it was a lot if fun, and she got all excited and said " oh my gosh, thats the show that had the first animated gay kiss on usa tv! how wonderful is that?? Its so amazing they did that! yes I need to watch it!!". ok.

Im going to be a parent soon and I really do not want my young kids down the line to have gay shown like it is as normal a-ok option in life, crammed in their faces like some parents do, because it is not. I think quietly having a thing every so often is ok, because they are just living their lives and should not be villains or pointed at and shunned, but I hate how its become so casual and shoved in any chance right now.

Trans crap is out of the question for kids stuff, its a sexual mental illness or just tumblr idiots.

the most i can believe is
>gay-i want the dick/i want the pussy
>straight-ill want the other thing
>bi-both things are good things
>ace-im not interested in fucking anything
>pan-they could have tentacles for all i care.
>queer-shit man, i dunno what thing i want

and maybe
>omni-all things are good things.
>demi-i dont really think about the thing until i waifu someone

My little user can't be this naive.

youtube.com/watch?v=t87593JqhBE

>pan-they could have tentacles for all i care.
>omni-all things are good things.

That's the same shit.

the korra ending made me so fucking mad after all the awful writing that show had already. It also was a bit insulting as a woman for me, I felt like it was saying stuff like if you are a strong woman you must be gay. Girls cant be close friends with each other, they obviously must screw. If a girl is just not happy dating a guy she is gay.

If it was written nicely that is fine, but it was crammed in and pandering garbage just to be something. Poor Asami, she deserved better treatment in that show.

so...everything?

theres a difference between "man i love pizza" and "yeah sure if its there ill have"
maybe, i dunno. its a spectrum anyways

nah man, tumblr has like 50 others that are fucking nuts. even worse for genders
wait on that note, i guess i can add that object-sexual shit

>I really do not want my young kids down the line to have gay shown like it is as normal a-ok option in life, crammed in their faces like some parents do

Or you could try to actually parent your damn kid instead of letting the the tv do it.

Callous and obnoxious propaganda. Even liberal families would be uncomfortable with this desu. Disney remakes A New Hope to play it safe but risks pushing gay shit on eight year olds? What the he'll happened to family kino?

>oh my gosh, thats the show that had the first animated gay kiss on usa tv
Didnt gus and Wally from Mission Hill kiss on screen?