So..... who else is enjoying the hissyfit Tumblr is having over Coco?
What does Sup Forums even think about Book of Life anyways?
I personally found Book of Life to be alright, nothing spectacular. Also I have no strong opinions on Coco, it's mostly a wait and see type of thing for me.
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What the fuck is Tumblr crying about now
They think Coco looks to similar to Book of Life.
Anyone can see that though
yes but you can only have one de los muertos movie.
For the record, I love Mexican stuff like this. El Tigre was a show I enjoyed a lot, and Book of Life equally so.
But honestly, I feel that the Mexican animators should be the ones doing mexican stuff. The Mexican animation industry has a lot of pontential at the moment, and all it would take would be one big breakthrough to have it be the next big animating location. There are so many people who has such original ideas there, not even just Book of Life/Mexican culture related stuff. But naturally, western culture goes and takes ideas from other countries/civilizations, and makes it their own (especially when we're talking about disney).
Regardless, I think it looks pretty good. Looks like a fun thing to watch at home, probably won't see it in theaters.
I loved Book of Life
The boy looks cute.
>mexican animation industry
>potential
With anima leading the way, I have no hope we'll ever amount to anything worthwhile (again)
Holy hell why is it that so much of Sup Forums is incapable of discussing anything unless they put it through the lens of how upset tumblr sjws are?
Compare Book of Life's creative leaders to Coco's. Book of Life has Doug Langdale, Guillermo Del Toro and Jorge Gutierrez. Coco has some people who've done nothing but work on increasingly bland Pixar movies for their whole career.
I agree with this. Book of Life was a very Mexican movie from the ground up because Jorge Gutierrez grew up there and everything he makes is dripping with Mexican culture and aesthetic. There's no way a movie creatively led by a bunch of white Americans is going to be anywhere near as authentic.
It just feels weird. What's the point of making a movie based on a Mexican holiday and Mexican culture if it's just going to be super watered down and filtered through a team like this? I'd have more faith if any of the people driving Coco had any strong personal style but I can't expect anything less than a bland by the book modern Pixar film.
Pixar has been getting destroyed by Walt Disney animation for a while now. This just looks like another extremely mediocre movie like Brave or The Good Dinosaur.
Same. Plus they really fucking love to use Skeletons in a lot of shit, and I can dig that.
>Compare Book of Life's creative leaders to Coco's. Book of Life has Doug Langdale, Guillermo Del Toro and Jorge Gutierrez. Coco has some people who've done nothing but work on increasingly bland Pixar movies for their whole career.
Ooh, that is worrying. Guillermo Del Toro and Jorge Gutierrez are pretty great in my book, and Doug Langdale has some solid experience to bring. I've been pretty disappointed in the blandening of Disney/Pixar lately.
Sadly I hate that Bland Hero Sucks (Big Hero 6) made any money at all. otherwise I'd pretty much agree with you, though I don't care for most Disney films in the last several years aside from Wreck-It Ralph.
I think the guy who wrote this is one of the reasons Gravity Falls is like Twin Peaks. Hirsch said once that when the backwards talking midget showed up in the second episode of Twin Peaks, his friends mother was so shocked that she suddenly vomited all over the clean dishes she washed. Hirsch was so fascinated by the premise of a show that could make a mother vomit on her dishes that he watched it and included it in his show. I think that was this guys mom.
I'm still gonna give this movie a shot, but I feel the same way, it's like if someone tried to make a movie about living in the ghetto and yet they never lived there.
Book of Life was boring af
I'd go as far and say that it was one of the worst animated movies along with the Good Dinosaur for example, which I've ever had the displeasure to see
Girl Power/Bullfights are Bad sentiments were trite, there wasn't enough Land of the Remembered/Forgotten, and the song covers were uninspired.
Beautiful film though with a good deal of heart and vision.
I liked Book of Life it was pretty Mexican and I know people cry about the Land of the Dead not having enough time in the movie but the movie wasn't about Dia de Muertos or the Land of the Dead it was about Manolo, his relationship with Maria, Joaquin and his family and they use Dia de Muertos and the Land of the Dead stuff just to make it possible for Manolo to interact with his dead ancestors.
Also Jorge Gutierrez like any Mexican who celebrates it has an intimate relationship with Dia de Muertos, he even proposed to his wife during Dia de Muertos just so his dead loved one's spirits could also witness it (because during Dia de Muertos the spirit of the Dead can go to the world of the living).
Coco looks OK I guess, the visuals are pretty but who knows how the movie will be since Pixar lost their magic a long time ago and so far the premise sounds bland as fuck. Also I'm not surprised if the similarities between it and Book of Life might be because they based the movie on what Gutierrez had pitched to them.
Tumblr bitches about everything regardless, it doesn't matter, they were even bitching about Book of Life even with the mostly Mexican people working on it but now they're defending it so it doesn't matter what they think.
they seem pretty rightfully upset
>I liked Book of Life it was pretty Mexican and I know people cry about the Land of the Dead not having enough time in the movie but the movie wasn't about Dia de Muertos or the Land of the Dead it was about Manolo, his relationship with Maria, Joaquin and his family and they use Dia de Muertos and the Land of the Dead stuff just to make it possible for Manolo to interact with his dead ancestors.
Then they shouldn't have advertised it as such. It was like if The Nightmare Before Christmas mostly took place in some random human suburb.
correct, tumblr is a site of offended vaginas screaming at each other in a dissonant chorus while bleeding
I totally don't get how this connects. Alex Hirsch is one of the writers for coco?
They had scenes in the advertisements of both the land of the dead and the living, you only played yoself.
Hey it's also dicks, dickginas and vicks you shit lord
They truly are reverse Sup Forums
>So..... who else is enjoying the hissyfit Tumblr is having over Coco?
No, because I'm not a faggot who goes to tumblr? Do you care about reddit's opinion as well.
No, his friend from CalArts Adrina Molina is one of the writers. Cause cartoons is an oldboys network. That's why John K can't get a job.
a circle jerk of proudly erect dicks rubbing and cumming all over the place?
wow, I haven't heard tumblr this upset since the day oreo's announced they were discontinuing double-stuffs
>the song covers were uninspired
Matter of taste there, my friend. Matter of taste.
>Girl Power
Yeah that's one thing I can understand, though I still point out to all naysayers that Maria DID swallow her pride and buckle down to do what was best for all. That's gotta count for something against the Grrrl power moments.
One difference is we make fun of everyone, including ourselves.
I mean, Disney/Pixar did try to trademark "Dia de los Muertos" because of this movie, so that is shitty.
Disney also trademarked Princess Aurora in relation to Sleeping Beauty which stopped at least 2 ballet movies from getting made.
most I seen from tumblr crying about was just that Gutierrez had already pitched the concept of The Book of Life to Pixar in the past, more than once I think
>Disney also trademarked Princess Aurora in relation to Sleeping Beauty
wtf really?
I recall Sup Forums lusted on the skeleton girl twins hardcore
The trailer for Coco looked visually bland with apparent pacing and tonal issues which is concerning.
I thought the Book of Life's plot was kinda bland. From what I heard, the script was pushed around forever while trying to get an animation studio to make it and once they got approved the film was made without the script being edited at all.
If anything else, I'm going to be annoyed that Coco is going to be treated better than the Book of Life ever was by advertisers and the public in general. I remember when the Book of Life was put on those cable streaming networks and the ads they made were clear in reflecting that not a single person had bothered to put the effort into creating a half-decent synopsis of it.
That dogs design pisses me off for some reason
Yep. I don't understand how the trademark went through, since Princess Aurora is a character in the Sleeping Beauty ballet, but hey, that's the corporate machine for ya.
Wow that's fucked
>apparent pacing and tonal issues
How the heck are you judging pacing from a trailer where scenes are edited?
It must be a pain in the fucking ass to be an artist today.
tumblr: OMG WHY DON'T WE HAVE MORE PEE OH CEE CHARACTERS AND MOVIES?
pixar: *gives one*
tumblr: OMG OMG WHITE PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE MAKING THIS SHIT I'M OUTRAGED. WHITEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT.
I mean, it makes sense to actually KNOW about the culture you're doing anything based off, just tossing in anything because you think it looks good without being assed to do any research about it makes you look like a lazy cunt
and yeah you want a movie to feel more like real life you include more people that exist in real life. People wanna see more people like themselves in movies, shows and comics, that's no shocker.
I am fine with those insults. It's all the same as those weebs that claim they write manga with their shitty black and white doodles.
Literally no one asked for a Book of Life 2.0
hello jumblr
wow man you sure showed me
making POC characters =/= white people making a movie about an important event in someone else's culture without people from that culture
alright. I'll play.
don't make irish characters without irish people
don't make norse characters without norse people
etc.
etc.
Hey, fuck you. Word jumbles are the best puzzles in the paper you crosswordfag.
but really it's like people making a bunch of christmas movies or halloween movies, and let's face it, the book of life sucked (too many cliches and the romantic plot got in the way). I can't wait for this movie to come out
The skeletons are really ugly in this movie. Why do they have actual eyes?
So they can see.
more like
mexican: *pitches almost this exact film to Pixar, except filled with imagery and sentiments and characters that are written from the perspective of someone in the culture rather than an outsider's perspective of what that culture really is*
pixar: LOL nah no one will see this or buy merchandise
mexican: *decides to get it produced on his own, end result is a unique, colorful, super Mexican film with a somewhat weak storyline and also bull ghosts*
pixar: hmmmm maybe we could make money off Mexicans
pixar: *tries to trademark the name of a spiritually and culturally significant Mexican holiday*
pixar: *basically puts out the same film as Book of Life down to use of movie specific imagery, except written by white people*
tumblr: well that is fucking ridiculous
I think artistically BoL was top tier, that movies aesthetic was perfect and fun, a lot of amazing designs, thought the characters had potential, but the story was oddly paced, too awkward, very unfortunate
I mean, yeah? If you're making a film that is supposed to be steeped in Irish culture, and you are not Irish and have no personal experience with Irish culture yourself, you should be consulting with Irish people at bare minimum so that they can fact and culture check how you're representing Irish culture.
except they didn't pitch it to pixar you fucking idiot they pitched it to DREAMWORKS.
yes, if the character's heritage is their defining part, you should have someone of that heritage involved
Yep! If you're writing about a country and culture that you are not from, you should be consulting with people from that culture so that you're doing it right. Research will only get you so far.
To quote Jorge Gutierrez
>Personally I’ve always found it a little ridiculous that animation artists can go on a research trip and think they understand the culture. I never, never bought that. I think you get the tourist version of a culture if you do that.
dude you probably aren't even Mexican to begin with. No one that I know of sees this as a bad thing. I personally am excited for this to show
Give me a quick rundown.
At worst it comes off as scummy, but really it's a two cakes situation, one person sees a cake they like and a cheep attempt at the same cake sitting next to it, and doesn't want the cheep cake. Another person sees two cakes, and that's awesome.
It's unfortunate if themes really were taken from BoL to be used by a company with more power and talent to put out a story of their own for credit, but these stories aren't super common, especially not from big names, so of course people are going to get excited
Hmm! Interesting, just checked out his Twitter and saw that he says it was pitched to Dreamworks in 2007. Looks like Jorge is trying to smooth things over with Pixar and call off people who are mad. He said several years ago at that behind the scenes Book of Life panel that it was, in the early 2000s, pitched to Pixar but rejected. I'm going to try to dig up older links to see if he ever admitted to this in interviews before the Coco trailer release.
I honestly really liked the Book of Life. It wasn't perfect, but it was really enjoyable overall. Coco just looks painfully uninspired and bland, especially compared to BoL.
Book of Life definitely had style and aesthetic going for it, Coco is just a bit too close to that basic Pixar clean design I guess
people are judging this movie hardcore when we've hardly seen any of it. just a short teaser trailer.
8 more months of this.
Over the 14 year span that the film was in the works, it was pitched to multiple companies. Pixar was among them. Dreamworks is the one that picked up Book of Life and then decided to axe it. So, yes, technically it was pitched to Dreamworks... but it was to Pixar too, and Pixar rejected it first.
the other person's post should go like this, though
Gutierrez: *pitches Book of Life to Pixar*
Pixar: Nope
Gutierrez: *pitches Book of Life to Dreamworks*
Dreamworks: Yeah
Pixar: Oh fuck they're making a Day of the Dead movie? WE NEED TO DO THAT TOO TO BEAT THEM TO THE PUNCH WE CAN'T LET DREAMWORKS DO SOMETHING FIRST
Pixar: *tries to trademark Day of the Dead but in Spanish and I'm too lazy to look up the spelling*
People: Da fuck?
Pixar: Uhhh nevermind to that trademark
Dreamworks: Eh nevermind to this movie
Gutierrez: Well fuck *gets it made somewhere else*
Pixar: guess we might as well try to get Mexican dollars
>themes really were taken from BoL
are you fucking kidding me??? THIS JUST IN: JORGE GUTIERREZ INVENTED DAY OF THE DEAD AFTER HIS PREMIER OF THE BOOK OF LIFE AND NOW PIXAR IS STEALING HIS CONCEPT
But it makes them look like humans in skeleton costumes.
>No one that I know of sees this as a bad thing
Nigger Disney trying to trade mark our holy day was everywhere the first days. You aren't Mexican or simply don't go out enougth.
....I didn't even fucking say 'Day of the Dead' don't put words in my fucking mouth
kill yourself faggot. we are going to make big revenue on this day now because of disney. I know what the fuck i'm actually talking about
>Disney trying to jew a holyday
>Mexican family does not approve music
>Lackluster land of the dead
Look pretty bad so far
I wonder who is behind this post
Just by the way you type it's easy to tell you don't post here regularly.
Also I don't get why Tumblr is complaining. I doubt they didn't get any Mexican writers to work on Coco. And doesn't Coco have an all Latino voice cast unlike Book of Life? I thought they hated that kind of stuff.
I hope my fellow Mexi-nigs boycott this shit just for that trade mark attempt.
He pitched to both you fucking retard.
The whole protagonist wanting to play music and their families family hating it in both movies is no coincidence.
The only difference is that in BoL's they hated it because they wanted Manolo to continue the bullfighter tradition which was a commentary about how in Mexico maintaining family tradition no matter what is something that's drilled from generation to generation and going against it is controversial.
In Coco it's more retarded because the kid's family banned music for some reason (I guess the movie will reveal it) which is unthinkable thing when because music plays a big part in Mexican culture.
well, fuck you buddy
>we
Is this just gonna be a thing in every Disney thread now?
Surprisingly Disney stopped trying to do that because of the bad PR. Honestly I don't understand what the big deal is?
What are they afraid off? There is barely anything that holy day offers besides skulls and candles and also is not like they would be forced to stop celebrating it.
back at you, also not your buddy, guy!
That Disney tried copyright it was a scummy it even made it to the news in Mexico. Especially since it came after the Mexican Government told a Chinese company to fuck off after they tried to patent the Virgin of Guadalupe.
>talks shit they don't know about
You do realize I'm copying the style of I mean I guess you don't realize it because you're retarded but still
I don't really care. They were just doing that because they had the movie project named Dia de los Muertos.
Sup Forumsmblr's strong today I see.
BRB, never writing about anything but people with exactly the same life experiences and ethnicity and gender as me.
Truly multicultural.
Mexico is a hellhole, amigo. It's why your people are fleeing here in droves.
There is more to Mexican culture than the revolution and Day of the Dead.
I thought the book of life was very colorful but it was too fast paced and ran through scenes before the audience could track.
>I can't write shit about a culture and people I know nothing about and do absolutely no research into it or else people will get mad at me
Or do you not have a grasp on what cultural appropriation actually means before it became a meme
Cultural Appropriation is basically racism.
I absolutely refuse to give that racist attempt to make people stay in their designated victim spots any credence or legitimacy.
Just put fucking effort and research into the culture you write about, really it's as simple as that
>Urbance
>Tumblr is happy until they find out the people working on it weren't mainly black
>Kubo
>"Reeee! Not enough Asian VAs so I'm not gonna support it!"
I thought urbance failed because of shit delivery, bad VA-ing, something about necrophilia
Right. I'm gonna solve this problem the Sup Forums way. Storytime.
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