>"I spent months trying to come up with something for Ben. The Batman that I know and the one I learned is the one that Christian did, and Ben plays it differently. And I can’t quite shake that off. For me, the Christian Bale character was always completely unresolved. It was always about that moment at the beginning of the first movie, where he sees his parents getting killed. It was basically arrested development. The Ben character is more middle-aged, he seems to be grumpy as hell but I didn’t feel the pain that I felt in Christian’s performance. And it was that pain that made be interested."
>Ron Howard actually said something very smart to me. He said, “Don’t say you will never do a superhero movie again, wait for somebody to turn up with an amazing script for a superhero movie.” And I suppose that’s what I’m saying: Can I please have the amazing script?
>It just did my brain in to have written Christian Bale as Batman, and suddenly it’s Ben Affleck [in *Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice*]. And it felt like I was betraying everything Christian had done. So there’s a certain amount of loyalty attached to those movies, as well.
If Bales Batman was "sadness" over his parents, then Afflecks Batman is definitely "Anger".
Affleck was the superior Batman in my opinion; however the killing fucked it up.
Jeremiah Jackson
>NOT MUH NOLAN
Lincoln Martinez
Yeah, I can see his point. Baleman was a start to finish deal. You watched Bruce train under the League of Shadows and adopt the darkness. You saw him at his weakest when he turns up at Rachel's location only to find Dent instead. Meanwhile Batfleck is already a Batman with a life's worth of experience. We don't see him struggle to deal with the death of a Robin, or any of the other things it's implied he's been through. So right now he's just a mammal-themed Punisher.
Ian Nelson
Dammit, Zimmer's score are the best part of the MoS and BvS. I kinda understand his point but this is a real disappoint to me. youtu.be/UJ6uMfqKckw
Juan Edwards
Part of me feel sorry for Ben. DCEU is really destroying him.
It would have been much better and make the audience understand Batman's pain if BvS show us Robin death instead of the Waynes.
Josiah Evans
>Composing For Ben Affleck's Batman Spurred Hans Zimmer to Quit Superheroes >“Don’t say you will never do a superhero movie again, wait for somebody to turn up with an amazing script for a superhero movie.” And I suppose that’s what I’m saying: Can I please have the amazing script? Hans literally calling every capeflick he doesn't compose for not good.
Jason Diaz
BvS has more rewatch value than TDKR.
Ethan Gray
This, really. Like it or hate it you have to admit that Nolan Batman, we see that guy from minute one. Whereas Snyder Batman; a lot of his deal emotionally and character wise is implied rather than explicit, hinges on intimate knowledge, has happened off panel, or is purely symbolic.
That probably makes it a lot harder to get a feel for the guy and compose his theme.
Easton Thomas
That's a damn fine idea. It would've been different, too.
Juan Rogers
Well, that's probably fine, because the Dark Knight movies soundtracks were relatively forgettable, aside from a few tracks.
Grayson Edwards
Why does this sound like yet another false flag?
Adrian Scott
Man of Steel and Batman v Superman had problems but all these huge problems DC is having is unfair. I'm legit sad over this.
Jose Walker
Because the title is referring to BvS not the Batfleck solo
Clickbait
Christian Phillips
Zimmer is a hack tho. This isn't a problem.
Andrew Cox
He literally made his best work in years for BvS, the score of that movie was 100 times better than anything he ver did for Nolan
Dominic Roberts
I liked how he worked in his MoS themes.
David Gomez
MoS and BvS were his best OSTs in years. MoS is particularly beautiful.
The rest of Zimmer including TDK, is shit.
Alexander Garcia
I knew it.
Lucky that he will never work for Marvel Studios then!
Matthew Smith
And if it were an origins story again, he would be saying that he lost interest because it's the same shit again. So what he's really saying here is "I just don't want wanna do superhero movies right now"
Jacob Murphy
Wrong.
Jaxson Perez
The MoS and BvS OSTs were better than their movies.
Tyler Baker
Nope. The movies were great, stop the memes please.
Noah Jones
It's fine, the title its pure clickbait tho. He said somthing similar before th movi cam out, the intrvie makes him sound as if h is bashing affleck or bvs.
Jeez how much of a shitshow was The Batman turning out to be?
>It just did my brain in to have written Christian Bale as Batman, and suddenly it’s Ben Affleck [in *Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice*]. And it felt like I was betraying everything Christian had done. So there’s a certain amount of loyalty attached to those movies, as well.
Official Nolanfags do exist! Get ready to hear "but Zimmer said..." for the next few months whenever a TDK trilogy vs DCEU Batman debate starts up
Eli Edwards
>DCAU
It doesnt matter ars long as Johns is involved
David Perez
>Whereas Snyder Batman; a lot of his deal emotionally and character wise is implied rather than explicit, hinges on intimate knowledge, has happened off panel, or is purely symbolic. And the really interesting thing is that a defense for this was "It will be covered in The Batman movie" which at the time seemed like it could possibly be the case but now we don't know what the fuck is happening with that
Josiah Price
>Wait, I thought it was BvS that made Zimmer quit? It was. Read the thread you flaming faggot.
Daniel Gray
>not muh el oh el
Jeremiah Powell
God you faggots literally cannot read.
It is about BvS's Batman. He says that composing for Affleck's Batman was much harder than for Bale's Batman, because he connected more with Bale's version.
Camden Adams
>It would have been much better and make the audience understand Batman's pain if BvS show us Robin death instead of the Waynes. I love it.
Evan Cruz
>I suppose that’s what I’m saying: Can I please have the amazing script?
DCEU BTFO
Nathaniel Williams
But then you guys would just whine more about "rushing".
Christian Turner
Yes user, Hans Zimmer composes every MCU and Fox movie.
Blake Clark
If we got ANYTHING besides seeing the Waynes getting killed yet again in a live action movie I would not whine over it.
Cooper Evans
But if that wasn't there critics would whine even more about the movie being "Contextless".
Jonathan Diaz
BWAHAHAHAHA Dickless Cumchumps BTFO!
Carter Campbell
>If we got ANYTHING besides seeing the Waynes getting killed yet again
It took less than minutes
Alexander Miller
>Snyder movies showing emotional character moments >Not something the critics said his movies lacked
What Earh do you think you're on?
Tyler Adams
I guess it's all up to Junkie XL now, huh?
Though it can't be that hard to come up with an orchestral number.Hiroyuki Sawano probably made the best non-Batman-totally-Batman-theme I can think of for Kill la Kill. youtube.com/watch?v=wSAp991JIVs
Jaxson Flores
Reword your post please. I don't get what you're trying to say.
Robert Stewart
MARVEL DISNEY ILLUMINATI FAKE NEWS! BRIBING REVIEWERS WITH SLUSH FUND MONEY! IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY, DC IS ACTUALLY GOOD, THEY JUST MKULTRA BRAINWASHED YOU INTO THINKING IT'S BAD!
David Ward
>DCEU Zimmer is great, everything else he did was worthless shit This is what Dumb Cucks actually believe.
Dominic Rodriguez
Zimmer has never composed for Marvel or even considered it, and he never will. Marvel's soundtracks are as bland, generic and forgettable as the movies themselves. Hence, zero oscars. Now please fuck off
Dominic Cook
We didn't need it. And it's inclusion is what led to MARTHA. Robin dying would have been something new in the realm of live action and it would have set up Batman's current mindset better.
Eli Lewis
GotG main theme wasn't bad. And Avengers one, but they sound almost alike. Other than that I agree.
Owen Wilson
The lessom that you should take out of it is that it is hard to save this turd.
Brandon Phillips
You don't have to sit through 3 shit movies to understand a character. Affleck actually felt like Batman. Bateman was just a dude in pseudomilitary equipment with a shit voice.
Joshua Jones
>GotG main theme wasn't bad I literally can't remember and I love that movie and I am a DCbro
Gabriel Perez
Nolan was dogshit, you could tell he was only interested in making Batman seem muh mature and dark gritty for the sake of making comic book movies appeal more to adults than kids. It's like he just hated fun and wanted to do make something cinematically impressive and show off his visual effects skills with Batman as a backdrop.
Ryder Robinson
Also, Afflecks opening was better than 3 movies combined m. Having little Bruce Rising with the swarm of bats was genius.
Michael Bennett
youtube.com/watch?v=GBp1Y-LoObs I actually stumbled upon it first and liked it and then watched the movie so that's how I remembered it. But even if it is forgettable for most I think it's really good.
Cameron Long
This.
And besides, they already revealed that Robin is dead and that The joker killed him. So, have a scene with Batman hugging Robin's dead body and the joker's laughing in the background without showing him or do the same scene in utrh which was excellent.
David Lewis
>It would have been much better and make the audience understand Batman's pain if BvS show us Robin death instead of the Waynes.
This at least would've had the movie off to a great start. Seeing the Wayne's die for the billionth time in an awkwardly-staged retread started the whole thing off on the wrong foot. It also would've halved the number of "Martha"'s they could've cut to, leaving us with just the grave, the dialogue and all that, which would've made it much more subtle and much cleaner when it happened. I didn't mind the Martha thing, I just thought it was a bit heavy-handed and probably would've worked better if Lois said it.
Jaxon Richardson
>And it's inclusion is what led to MARTHA. I thought the Martha angle was a clever way to snap Bruce out of his lunacy desu. I don't get the memes.
Henry Harris
>awkwardly-staged Yeah, Miller's TDKR Wayne death scene was so awkwardly staged, right?
Colton Butler
I hate how true this is, because Affleck's Bruce is a much stronger, much more involved character than Nolan's perpetual mope.
Isaac Moore
he's right, but it's really Snyder and WB's fault. his MoS themes were good though, and did evoke Superman much more than Snyder did.
Robert Hughes
> and wanted to do make something cinematically impressive and show off his visual effects skills
This is applicable to every film Nolan's directed. The only thing he did that was character driven first was a remake of someone else's movie (Insomnia) but it's worth watching to see 2 veteran scene chewers underact each other under the table. If he could channel what he did there into another non-action film he'd be revered.
Isaiah Thompson
The way they handle it was awkward and unintentionally hilarious.
Wyatt Cox
Because every step that lead to that point was ridiculously contrived and the plot relies on "our characters being idiots that refuse to communicate until it's the part of the script where they need to communicate."
Also this.
Caleb White
>and unintentionally hilarious. People say this about anything they don't like these days tho. Cynicism is passe. I thought the scene was great, myself.
Jonathan Reed
>Because every step that lead to that point was ridiculously contrived and the plot relies on "our characters being idiots This is literally every blockbuster movie though.
Take Star Wars '77.
Leia says "they let us go, it's the only explanation for the ease of our escape". Then she leads the empire right to the secret Rebel base.
So many movies people love have SHIT writing. Hating BvS is such a boring meme.
also, see
Connor Martinez
Frank Miller's depiction is told in quick, momentary extreme closeups showing quick, awkward movement. It seems slow because it's on a page, and Miller's division of the panels gives each moment the significance it needs, without slowing the pace. All the faces are obstructed or off-center, and Chill's wriist gets caught in Martha's necklace in the aftermath of the shot. Also, the whole action takes place in the cramped, claustrophobic crime alley, which allows for these gorgeous stark blacks Miller's so good at to let the action pop, which is why even though Bruce's face is off-center and obscured, his pale shock and horror shines through. Also the movie they see is Zorro, because that's the movie Batman sees with his folks and it's silly to change such a minor detail to suit your silly thematic crap. Nolan did this too. Snyder's murder is set up on the street, outside
Levi Martin
Surprising to find some artistic integrity in Hollywood.
Ryder Young
And? What is your point? How does your imagined timing change the staging?
Nathaniel Miller
Snyder's scene takes place on the street outside the alley, where the Wayne's could move anywhere around Chill, the whole thing is illuminated by the garish lights of the theatre, there are frequent cuts to Thomas and Bruce, it's all in super obnoxious Snyder Slo-Mo(TM), and Martha, the whole reason the scene is there in the first place, barely has any actual visual prescence in the scene. I didn't even know it was whatserface from Walking Dead playing her, she barely matters, Comedian's reaction matters more. And Chill's gun gets caught on her pearls this time, and before the gunshot goes off, which means he's have to be at an incredibly intimate, awkward angle and that she has a pearl necklace longer than a 20s flapper. But hey, logic doesn't actually matter as long as Snyder gets his slow-mo porn shot of the pearls.
Stop comparing competent artists to your crappy kino flicks, these movies are shite, and you reinforcing their pretentious bullshit is only making it harder for people who actually read the comics to have their legitimate grievances heard so that we might someday get a half-decent DC movie.
Daniel Wright
>shit writing is fine as long as it has company That's an awful argument. >your opinion is just a meme Look, there are things I LOVE bout BvS, the problem is that they're immediately ruined by the rest of the movie.
The opening sequence is AMAZING....right up until the point Bruce says "I have this dream every night." >Don't worry stupid audience. I know the presence of Martha's pearls in the batcave and kid-bruce flying towards the light would have really confused you if we didn't IMMEDIATELY TELL YOU it was a dream
Julian Stewart
I wouldn't since they already established that Robin is dead. Showing us his death while keeping his identity secret and Batman mourning him like he just lost his son will make him sympathetic and his anger more understandable.
Juan Morris
This. Everyone and their grandma knows how the Waynes died. Robin's death would have set up the movie much better.
Tyler Roberts
None of what your saying answers my question. You're just trying to justify an irrational bias.
Ryder Kelly
Zorro was Now Playing
Excalibur was Next Attraction
But blame Snyder for not getting clear shots
Ryder Bell
>The setting doesn't change the staging of a scene you're just justifying your bias wew, lad
Caleb Richardson
No one's even posting sad ben or laughing chris or any of that, stop bringing up memes.
Dominic Collins
That scene was shot in IMAX ratio. ZORRO was clearly in frame in the IMAX theater. Blame Warner's home video division for not making the Blu Ray have shifting aspect ratios like Nolan Blu Rays.
but who am i kidding fuck Snyder amirte
Anthony Young
The dialogue really made it seem he forgives Supes because of a silly coincidence. He isn't strange to the idea of an alien having parents. >I bet your parents taught you that you mean something, that you're here for a reason. My parents taught me a different lesson, dying in the gutter But then WHAT DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?! It could've been handled way better. You get the writer's intention but still people chuckled at this and at Bruce smashing a battube on his head.
Ethan Rogers
>and at Bruce smashing a battube on his head. This is the type of shit I mean. Who is this cynical that they don't think that was meant to be funny? Everything and the kitchen sink.
Owen Taylor
Yeah, that's kind of my point. He had the Zorro title built onto the set, but didn't show it at all because he has to have EXCALIBUR flash over Thomas' shoulder throughout the entire scene so that he can reinforce his stupid Arthurian hero theme bullshit that he doesn't maintain.
Angel Hill
They should have just kept him doing the Superman parts. Did he do the WW theme?
Joseph Jackson
>talking shit about based Silvestri Companywar fags have no shame
John Bell
But in normal theaters you could also see zorro and under Excalibur you clearly read next wed. Zorro was a big thing in bvs that's why batman brands some criminals
Jayden Foster
see STOP. THE. MEMES.
FUCK
Andrew Murphy
I think we all know Zimmer just doesn't like Gal Gadot for some reason.
Joshua Martin
You have a low threshold for genius
Jeremiah Thompson
Most of the world didn't see the theatrical cut in IMAX.
Asher Wright
>People say this about anything they don't like these days tho I don't like King's Batman and I don't think it's "unintentionally hilarious", but just plain awful.
You like the scene? Good for you, but there are legitimate reasons why many didn't and thought it was bad and their opinions aren't "meme".
Hudson Jones
>legitimate complaints about the movie are memes
I literally sat down and explained to you why that scene is awkward and why it doesn't work as an adaption of Miller's scene or a particularly good scene to open your highly-anticipated blockbuster masterpiece on, and all you can parrot is "STOP MEMEING"
Kill yourself, you deluded fanboy. This movie sucks and no amount of capslock will change that.
Ethan Phillips
Is he German?
My point is that Nolan (and Hunger Games) get the sifting aspect ratio treatment on home video, while Snyder does not. That's not his fault.
Dylan Harris
>I literally sat down and explained to you why that scene is awkward and why it doesn't work as an adaption of Miller's scene No, you truly didn't. I'm not kidding, nothing you said was a good argument.
Mason Hughes
>Affleck actually felt like Batman.
That's your opinion, but more than that, Zimmer had trouble discerning Batfleck's characterization in the movie. He thought the script was lacking, and that made him decide to call it quits.
Jason Cook
>compared the two scenes and how one does something the other doesn't do, and how the things they both do one does poorer.
Whatever man.
Eli Martin
Is Zimmer an arbiter of taste now?
Jack Price
>poorer
Blake Flores
Let me ask you a question I think I know the answer to- do you think Snyder butchered the 300 comic, fucked it up, ruined it, shit on it, blah blah blah?
Jonathan Peterson
What does that track have to do with Batman?
Joseph Cooper
It confused people some idiots in this very same board asked why he could fly and others thought it was a Jesus metaphor, after all Jesus is famous for his flying powers. It was a great escene, and the normal public had no problem with it, Sup Forums is below normal intelligence
Nathaniel Miller
I literally just said it was an opinion, and you're still missing the point. Zimmer says he quit because he had trouble delving into this character. He thought the script didn't give him enough to work with to find score Batfleck's character and scenes.