Just watched this. I cannot believe this got beat out by Zootopia at the Oscars. Probably one of the greatest animated films I've seen in a long time, at least out of the west. Haven't heard much good about its box office performance either. What gives?
I also thought it was extremely cool how the credits had that part where they showed the skeleton thing being set up behind the scenes. Love stuff like that.
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The answer is that the animated Oscars are a fucking joke. The judges don't give a shit about the medium and just vote whatever Disney movie did well that year. Half of them don't even watch the movies they vote on.
I think I've read about that actually. Like the guy who said of Frozen that he stopped watching cartoons when he was a child, and that he left his kid in the theater and went out to smoke or something. Made me wonder why in the world he was in charge of deciding.
Kubo basically defeats the main villain by giving him Alzheimer's
Kubo, while a visual and technical masterpiece, was objectively a worse movie than Zootopia.
The pacing was terrible and character development near non existent while the "twist" was telegraphed a mile away.
Don't get me wrong, I liked Kubo, I appreciate what it is, and even more I appreciate Laika studios and what they do. But it was not better than Zootopia.
The ending is shit, so probably that's half the reason.
This.
Oscars are a joke and have been for a while, when it comes to animation nominations, most voters don't even bother watching all of the contenders or are smiply paid off.
The ED is top notch, though.
my gf wanted to see this movie, but then she got upset because I was so into the movie I couldn't tear my eyes off the screen
>Movie should win based on the credits
Credits a shit for oscars user.
And you can't deny that ending was beyond rushed.
>Kubo, while a visual and technical masterpiece, was objectively a worse movie than Zootopia.
lol
Monkey/Beetle porn when?
Today I will remind them.
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I mean, they should really have a credits category at the Oscars so that Kubo could have won it easily. Because hot damn.
But yeah, I agree about the ending itself, somewhat.
>obscure freakin' Chinese fuckin' things that nobody ever freakin' saw
That would be slightly amusing if it wasn't someone making the decisions for a massive awards show.
I thought it couldn't get worse than the Frozen one but it did. I wonder if the ones for this year are even dumber.
Oscars overwall is just a joke since 2000
Do you have an actual argument? The visuals were great, the techinical side is amazing for stop motion, but the plot was fucking terrible. Don't even try to enjoy it.
As great as it was, it want enough to overcome just how terrible the plot was.
I think it's be great if the Oscars did that, the Emmy's have a best credits category. I can't really say how it compares to some live action movie credits though.
These trigger me every time
Zootopia actually has story that doesn't make you facepalm every 15 minutes.
Also by your logic red turtle should have won.
Not him but the plot was a pretty typical hero's journey plot. Not going to argue that it's super creative or anything, but terrible? Come on.
How about this one?
Almost everything is "hero's journey", that's why it's called "the hero's journey". And that being said, Kubo did a terrible job of it, the pacing was off and the ending just didn't work.
Don't get me wrong I like Kubo, I don't think it's a bad movie, but the overall plot had some extremely glaring issues. Especially when considered to something as tightly done as Zootopia.
I don't know man, I feel that people who say Kubo's plot was, as you've said, "fucking terrible" can only have not seen the movie. That's being generous, because if you watched it and thought the plot was "fucking terrible" you are a vacuum of a consumer and it doesn't fucking matter what you watched, you have no critical input to anything. You could have watched anything.
It's depressing as fuck to think that a movie as considered and as emotionally honest as Kubo gets sniped with that kind of shitty criticism. But obviously the movie didn't have an impact on you, so hey, who cares. It was just a bad plot, amirite?
The visuals are the only good aspect of it. People can cry and moan all they want about Disney always winning but they did absolutely deserve to win this year
>whole movie features the reconstruction of an unknown heritage by a new generation
>the ending just didn't work
????
I think Kubo's the first animated film I've seen in years that I thought was actually maybe the the best film I'd seen that year full stop.
I am not a cartoon watcher or huge fan of animated movies though. I saw the main contenders this year, but that's unusual for me.
Laikafags being this delusional
Jesus Christ, just because a movie is made using stop motion doesn't automatically make it some masterpiece
Why Zootopia instead of Moana, then?
Why didn't the armor work? Did it work and Kubo was just a shitty fighter?
I wanted Moana to win over Zootopia, I enjoyed it much more
It's not because it's stop motion although I did find a bunch of scenes in it really striking (off the top of my head, faves were: the paper scene with the crowd at the start, the initial waking up in the ruined snow place and dead whale, and the fight on the boat) but I genuinely don't see the point in discussing this with you.
You said you thought the plot of Kubo was "fucking terrible" so what more is there to say?
You shouldn't ignore you hand, user
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Are you trying to suggest that he masturbate to the movie?
That makes me wonder if there's ever been an animated movie so good that someone just started jacking off while watching it.
>It's not because it's stop motion
Except it is. Imagine Kubo as the exact same movie except instead of stop motion it was done in good looking modern 3D animation. It wouldn't get nearly the praise it has, and it would just come across as another bland, mediocre film like Brave
Moana tried to make fun of the basic disney princess cliches but fell into almost all of them along the way
Zootopia seemed like it had a better grip on what it wanted to do versus what it actually did
Also bunny ass
>Imagine a film with good cinematography if it had bad cinematography
The scene where Kubo stays out too late alone is more tense and exciting than anything in Brave.
>Exact same movie
>Different cinematography
The first third of the movie is extremely well plotted. No complaints from me. The rest is a series of visually exquisite set pieces that fail to form a decent story. Everything about Beetle's twist is transparently obvious,to the point where the audience is alienated by the obliviousness of the characters. Why does Monkey go out of her way to alienate Kubo to "keep him safe" and then change her mind instantly when the truth comes out and act like it never happened? Would the pain of his mother already being dead not be sopped by getting the chance to connect with her via monkey? Why does Kubo ignore his little paper samurai and walk into what is blatantly, obviously a trap? Why does he just palm off his grandfather to the other villagers to raise when the whole film is about the importance of family? Why are there all these ideas in the rest of the film which are not fully expounded upon?
This had the same writer as Paranorman and I can't believe the gap in quality between the two movies in that regard. Paranorman was as tightly plotted as a drum, no idle waste or narrative fat in that film. Kubo feels so loose and flabby in that regard, not quite the jumbled mess that was Boxtrolls but not much better.
"Emotional honesty" does not deflect the pointed criticism that the film's story is lacking, a criticism that I've only seen on Sup Forums, otherwise across the board this film got rave reviews from actual film journalists; the only dissent was the usual puff piece vanity criticisms from clickbaiting subhumans. And it is not a flaw in its structure, it is a flaw in its content. Zootopia succeeded as a film in its story structure (just barely mind you, that film's also got holes you could drive a truck through) where Kubo fell flat.
Didn't see so can't say for sure, but Zootopia was tightly written. It was an amazing buddy cop movie, with an applicable social messag, that managed to be for kids and adults.
It really wasn't, and the tension drops off after they get to the lake. By the time you hit the mansion you knew exactly what was happening, and then the ending was a dues ex machina.
>Why does Monkey go out of her way to alienate Kubo to "keep him safe" and then change her mind instantly when the truth comes out and act like it never happened?
Seriously? She straight up told Beetle directly that it was because the magic keeping her alive as a monkey was fading. She didn't want him to suffer the loss twice, but when he figured it out there was no point hiding it anymore. Then tragically she got killed anyway.
I don't know how Coraline and Paranorman were so good yet Boxtrolls and Kubo were just so meh
>By the time you hit the mansion you knew exactly what was happening
You expected two out of three main characters in a kids movie to be killed mercilessly in a fight with a mid-boss? You knew that would happen? Wow, kudos dude. You must be way smarter than I am.
Are you seriously suggesting that anything that happened in Brave was tense or exciting?
>main characters
On that note, does anyone else find it strange that Takei received higher billing than McConaughey considering the later was a major character and the former was just a random villager?
[Oh myyyy]
Kubo had a mediocre story. Way too mediocre.
Kubo was the year's Tron Legacy: The visuals (ignoring CLU) and music were amazing. The story was so poorly handled that it ruined the movie, though.
Kubo needed another fucking hour of runtime but that would've taken too long and cost too much for the incompetent people at the Oscars to still not go watch it.
>"Emotional honesty" does not deflect the pointed criticism that the film's story is lacking, a criticism that I've only seen on Sup Forums
Are you kidding? This is like the #1 thing from contrarians across the internet.
>Doesn't mention Brave anywhere in his post
>Dude you actually liked Brave?
Are you a retard by chance?
And then she has no problems acting like his mom when she's going to die anyway and break his heart again. Would it not have been more poignant for her to keep that abrasive facade up the whole film until the truth about Beetle came out, and then Kubo got his entire family back and lost them all a moment later? Would that not be more moving?
Coraline had a damn solid source material to draw from and Selick's experienced hands. Paranorman makes me think the writers were just better making their own films than working under other people, though it's pretty shitty to lay the blame on Kubo's first time director he did work on those two movies with better stories.
I'd still call Kubo a good film even outside of the animation, better than Boxtrolls unquestionably, it just frustrated me because I felt it could have been so much better with a little tweaking.
Nah... Kubo shota porn when?
I knew it was a trap, I knew Beetle was his dad, and I knew his parents were going to die because "hero's journey". Shit was telegraphed for days.
I've honestly never seen Brave. But it's hard to imagine a a movie less tense then Kubo after the second act.
Not really. Kubo is a bit of a niche movie, Laika knows they aren't doing mainstream movies. It's no wonder they'd bill George over Matthew because head more nerd appeal. I mean McConaughey is normie gold.
>I mean McConaughey is normie gold.
By that logic shouldn't the movie should have had more mainstream appeal?
Yea, but:
A. It wa animated
B. He wasn't given top billing
C. Marketing was a shit. Not to mention I remember the release timing being somewhat poor.
its called porn, nigga
That's not an animated movie. And I mean a non-pornographic one anyway. Just, so good it's like porn.
"telegraphing" is what happens in fighting games user
what you saw was called storytelling
its ok if you get it, it doesnt mean the movie is bad
some twists are meant to be soft
Sup Forums's drawfags should have cranked out Princess Kubo art and lewds
>I cannot believe this got beat out bya Disney movie at the Disney Awards
How?
If it was done well I wouldn't care about how obvious it was. But it was done badly.
>"it" was done badly
it was a movie for kids, user, they werent trying to write a new sixth sense
>they really weren't trying to be good
>wonders why it got BTFO
>But it was done badly.
In your opinion.
There was nothing seriously wrong with Zootopia - all the negatives that come to mind, like the cop at the reception desk with his phone app and pastries, were typically bad jokes by animators who aren't exceptionally clever as writers to start off with. But I didn't find it objectionable.
I would just say that it wasn't particularly original, even Finding Dory, which again lacked a certain imagination and also had some story-telling weaknesses (really, those parents are just going to spend all those years putting out shells?), was far more original than Zootopia and didn't get a nomination.
Kubo was just more imaginative as a film and as a narrative.
>I cannot believe this got beat out by Zootopia at the Oscars.
Your first mistake was assigning any amount legitimacy to the Oscars.
>what academy thinks of animation
Maybe you should read everything in the comment chain, retard.
>I cannot believe this got beat out by Zootopia at the Oscars
It was a disney movie about diversity and how racial and sex discrimination is wrong, and they used cute animals. There was no way anything else would win.
That's not how jacking off works. If it was, it would happen regularly.
Kubo was great, but I think it could have used a tighter plot. The armor never amounts to anything, so it seems like they could have provided a better Macguffin to drive the plot and setpieces. But damn it was a beautiful movie.
I wish it would have gotten figures something. The character designs were great.
Honestly, I appreciate the fact that most of them are willing to abstain rather than try to vote for a category they have no clue about. I don't like the dismissiveness, but you also can't expect every member of the Academy to watch or be into every genre.
This one, of course, is much less defensible.
The academy puts all sectors of animation into one compiled award instead of categories, and even though Laika has a true passion for their medium, it boils down to the quality of the film including the subpar-score, terrible voice acting, inconsistent character traits/awareness, poor plot, and ill-researched appropriation.
It's not fair because the technical skill involved to make what they did is incredible, but that's how it is, sadly.
It got beat out by Zootopia because the voters' kids saw Zootopia and not Kubo.
>subpar-score, terrible voice acting, inconsistent character traits/awareness, poor plot, and ill-researched appropriation.
Do you really think Kubo had all of these? Did you think that as you were watching it?
Well not only that but is right. cartoonbrew.com
No idea how reliable it is, but I literally never take the oscars seriously when it comes to animation (don't take them seriously regardless but meh that's another topic). They literally always pick pixar because "that's what my kids saw!". Not to mention that the plot/writing could have been better. Technical skill was amazing though.
The interviews are a nice little light into the mindset of the people voting, yeah.
(This year, incidentally, there were no shameful "well my kid liked it" but half of the interviewees abstained as they didn't watch/didn't care about animated movies).
One picked out Zootopia for its social message and voted for that, the other two went for The Red Turtle.
Yes and yes.
I'm not trolling you, let me back up the claims with some hot opinions.
I didn't like how Kubo was generally unaffected by the loss of his mother, and immediately began acting like a dick to the magic macaque that saved his life.
The dialogue between monkey and beetle (especially at the leaf-boat scene) is jarring and unconvincing, it's like they wanted it to be "natural", but it fell flat; it seemed like the actors were nonchalantly reading from a script as opposed to enthusiastically fulfilling a role, and wasn't redeemed with the attempt at humor.
There wasn't really any immediate danger to the town, the people, or the world. It was just Kubo & friends running from the bad guys on a Zelda-esque quest to find magic items; all that time should have been spent making the viewer hate the Grandpa- we barely saw him and somehow that whole scene was supposed to be deep.
Call me out on poor taste, but I just didn't care for it.
That said, I think the character rigging, puppetry equipment, design philosophy, scenery layout and virtual-to-physical software systems applied are the coolest things ever.
>tfw hardly any Eggs art
He was adorable.
>Moana tried to make fun of the basic disney princess cliches but fell into almost all of them along the way
But it wasn't Frozen, or even Tangled for that matter. It wasn't even trying to go near any of the Princess cliches to begin with.
>Would it not have been more poignant for her to keep that abrasive facade up the whole film until the truth about Beetle came out, and then Kubo got his entire family back and lost them all a moment later? Would that not be more moving?
No it wouldn't you moron, the fuck are you smoking? Seeing character development only for that character to die will always be seen as more tragic for the audience then a character that's consistently mean and then tries to pull the "I was only pretending" tactic right before death. At this point you're just being a Devil's Advocate for the sake of it instead of having an actual argument.
Exactly this Haven't watched Zootopia, but it's hard to believe it can be worse than Kubo. Kubo sucks balls
FUCKING NORMIES RUINING THE OSCARS
>Kubo sucks balls
In your opinion.
I really didn't have any problem with the voice acting in Kubo. Your example is weird because that was a pretty low-key scene to begin with. How about Rooney Mara's voice acting during the boat battle? That was pretty damn good.
kek
I tried to make Kubo shota porn, but I failed...
That doesn't even remotely look like Kubo. I commend your art style, though. It practically looks like an old photograph.
Not the picture. The guy in the picture is Midnight Tyrannosaurus, and I use the picture as a reaction image.
I still love the movie. Travis goes into detail pretty well in the commentary about the process and other stuff. I remember he mentioned that the origami paper when it's unfolded was made from pretty much paper towels (from the men's room) covering over cynefoil, and at the crew's eventual rage at the leafboat that when they were finally finished they made a little pinata replica of it and smashed it up.
>Now this here is one of the few bits I personally animated on the film. The animation on this section was very slow going, there was all this cloth and sand and hair to deal with, which are very challenging in stopmotion, and the baby Kubo puppet was absurdly small, about as big as my thumb. Those faces were so tiny I had to place them on the puppet’s head with tweezers, it was painfully protracted effort. It was all worth it, and besides, there’s nothing like a baby’s bloody eye socket to start a movie.
>[laughs]
Kek that guy is a champion
>I cannot believe this got beat out by Zootopia at the Oscars.
Right?
>he's surprised anti-racism propaganda won in the current year
How new
>implying the rest of the Oscars aren't a joke as well
all award shows have always been cliquey trash
In objective opinion
Opinions are by definition subjective.
In your opinion.