/trek/-Holosuite Owner's Manual Edition

Why are they called holosuites? Is it because they realized that it makes no sense to imply that it takes up an entire deck when it's clearly just a small room? Or is it because it's run for profit?

You can't fool us, holodeck autist.

And why do they call it Deep Space Nine when it wasn't in deep space at any point in it's existence, starting off as a mining colony and then becoming a wormhole observation post, all in Bajor?

Would you rather have one holodeck to charge admission to, or several holosuites to charge admission to? It's for profit every time.

In all seriousness, it's not called a "holodeck," I'm wondering why they changed the name.
Depends on the size of my staff (which is pretty big, obviously)

They're little rooms now, like a hotel suite.

Why can't they just make holodecks closet-sized? If the computer is manipulating people's perceptions of distance anyway why do they have to be so big?

Ahh so they're for smaller groups of people? That makes sense, then. There's a functional as well as formal difference, though I suppose the material components must be roughly the same as those involved in standard Holodecks, if arranged differently.

They call it a suite because it's specifically intended for pleasure. On star ships they can have practical uses that actually serve the ship.

Plus they're Cardassian by design on DS9. Or did Quark install them?

To account for making more than 1.5 people inside it?

>ATTENTION BAJORAN WORSHIPERS
I think Quark must have had them put in because otherwise the Cardassians and Federation have identical hologram tech.

>DS9 S3E24 Shakaar
>O'Brien wants to go kayaking but Quark won't let him because he's worried he'll injure his shoulder
Character continuity > tech continuity

They didn't change shit. It's a cardassian space station, not a ship. There are no decks.

So you're saying that the holodeck takes up a whole deck? Or they have a whole deck given over to hologram chambers?

It's called a Holodeck as a reference to the VR tech from Neuromancer, you fucking idiot

>otherwise the Cardassians and Federation have identical hologram tech.

They don't look similar at all though.

The federation ship holodecks are at least two decks in height, and that's only the inner volume. Do you really think the deck stops at the inner walls?

Besides, they consistently call Deck 1 the bridge all the time, even though there are at least two to four other rooms on Deck 1 including the briefing room and the captain's ready room.

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Was Quark okay with customers running any type of holosuite program they wanted, or did Quark have his limits?

They call the bridge "the bridge" and clearly distinguish between it and other parts of deck 1

>TOS
>Good

>Firefly
>High Tier

>Caprica
>Not Mid-Tier or above

These threads make zero sense. Both holodecks and transporters are completely inconsistent through the entire franchise. We've seen people eat and drink and leave the holodeck wet/dirty, even though it's made completely clear that it's just a projection of photons and force fields.

No. They call "senior officers to the bridge" through comms to meet at the ready room several times in both TNG and VOY.

ftfy

Probably a script oversight. Editing should catch that sort of thing.

>Both holodecks and transporters are completely inconsistent through the entire franchise.
YES this has been my point all along, people stick up for the idiot writers as if they're gods but then go and talk about Rick Berman like he's the devil when this shit is probably his fault.

It's not a script oversight if it's consistent i.e. repeatedly done the same way across series.

I figure that has more to do with the use of special effects, and the directors not wanting to waste time or money showing photonic water or mud disappearing as they leave the holodeck. It would be a cool effect, to be sure, but not a very important one.

I'm not sure what the deal with holographic food is. As a kid I figured that they brought food onto the holodeck to enhance the realism, same way they did with the costumes.

They probably come to deck one and are then directed to to the meeting room by the ensign at the conn or something
Anyway my point is that it's weird to have a deck devoted to the holodeck when 'the bridge'/deck 1 is just the very tip of the saucer

What can I get for you nice hu-mons?

literally kill yourself

I don't know Berman, I don't care about Berman. I couldn't give two shits about anything that isn't in-universe information.

They don't have to show the photonic water and dirt disappearing. All they need to do is show the actor in clean, dry clothes the next shot. Wesley Crusher leaves the holodeck wet in the TNG pilot. Tom Paris leaves the holodeck where he's restoring a car in an oily car mechanic jumpsuit, and enters the bridge in the same dirty jumpsuit. These were filmed a decade apart.

The meeting room has its own turbo lift. They don't have to enter the meeting room through the bridge.

>The meeting room has its own turbo lift
So why is it called a holodeck?

it sounds better than holoroom

>Finish watching TNG
>Crosby has visably aged despite being in before the first episode so make up has failed
>Young Riker was just old footage and panning away when he talked.

It annoyed me.

I never suggested calling it that

So why is deck 1 called the bridge? Fuck off with this autism, it's for convenience's sake, it's the most prominent room of the entire deck, so the deck is referred to by it.

Stop replying to the holodeck autist.

What else is on that deck?

I'll give you 10 bars of gold pressed latinum for 3 hours in a holosuite with pregnant Kira and Moogie.

>It's a Dax and Worf episode
worst racemix couple in Trek

Bajorans don't call it "Deep Space Nine", they call it "Spoon Poon City". "Deep Space Nine" is just what the universal translator uses when translating "Spoon Poon City" for the audience.

captain's ready room, conference room/observation lounge

The Holodeck is on deck 1 with all that important stuff?

Sure, because a ferengi manlet with a bajoran redhead hooker is better.

i thought you meant deck 1

>They don't have to show the photonic water and dirt disappearing. All they need to do is show the actor in clean, dry clothes the next shot. Wesley Crusher leaves the holodeck wet in the TNG pilot. Tom Paris leaves the holodeck where he's restoring a car in an oily car mechanic jumpsuit, and enters the bridge in the same dirty jumpsuit. These were filmed a decade apart.
This would break continuity. Try to picture Tom Paris in mechanic overalls once scene and then a smash cut to him walking through a door with clean clothes. You would assume he took a shower and changed.

That's right
No, I was asking about the holodeck

i pretended i had trill spots while walking around today

it felt good

Jesus Christ, why can't you follow a single fucking line of conversation? The Holodeck is on deck 5 on Voyager

Bajor is in deep space as far as the Federation is concerned

No, I would assume that if he was leaving the Holodeck it was holographic 'matter' disappearing without ptojectors supporting it.
'continuity' lol fuck your hollywood

you are fag

>a ferengi manlet with a bajoran redhead hooker is better.
Make that an autistic ferengi manlet

You may have autism.

no

>You would assume he took a shower and changed.
>and changed
What the fuck, seriously?! Entering the bridge in the SAME clothes only clean? No, I would assume the fake dirt disappeared as he left the holodeck, because I'm not a fucking casual, and that wouldn't be my first Star Trek episode.

All I'm saying is the region they do it that way is it tells a story. He's in the jumpsuit because he rushed to the bridge. A different appearance suggests a passage of time. This is mostly subliminal, it's not something you actively do when watching a movie.

So if 'Deep Space 9' is the Federation designation for the station, why is every other starbase just called 'Starbase X'?

thats ok at least i look and talk normal

i can have all the internal autism i want

You can't have holographic liquid, if it's liquid it was replicated.

Because those starbases are in federation territory. Bajor is not part of the federation thus it would be in "deep space". Makes complete sense.

Did anyone else collect all seven DS9 Burger King glasses?

Watching with a quasi-critical eye,U can no longer take the concept of the Holodeck seriously. At first I started making my Holodeck posts as a joke ("Why don't they call it X instead of the Holodeck? The name is misleading") but I'm starting to get annoyed

The holodecks only have holoemitters, no replicator technology is included, that's just head canon to explain away the inconsistencies.

Being aware of ST stuff shouldn't be (and isn't) required for watching the show. It's pretty much aimed at casuals.

Sound reasoning.

whenever anyone uses the Holodeck. I just can't stop thinking about all the plot holes, the unbelievable decisions that people make, the fact that it's possible for the technology to work flawlessly while not responding to controls because of some major spatial anomaly, there's so much about the Holodeck that doesn't make even a little bit of sense. And then there's the fucking Doctor. They put a bunch of EMHs in a cave system to mine dilithium or something, but they can't set up holoprojectors around Voyager? Actually, we know that they CAN and DO do this--in that episode with the Hirogen, we see it done, it's the entire plot--and no amount of handwaving can make me believe that there is some reason that makes sense diegetically NOT to have done this before. And the mobile emitter almost never malfunctions; when it does, they can fix it, no problem. It's even more unbelievable than Geordi's ability to operate on Data's positronic brain without actually being a cybernetics genius like Singh was. Why the fuck can't they make more Datas? Why the fuck can't Data experience emotions but Moriarty can? If a Holodeck replicates matter on demand, why can't the replicate and android? Why does that replicated matter lose cohesion when it leaves the Holodeck if it's replicated, rather than projected? Who decided that the Holodeck was a good idea?

yes

It's established in episode 1 and multiple others.

Looking and talking normal are literally the only things I can do. No joke.

No and no. Holodecks don't replicate shit.

prove it

um

The holodeck is just the deck where the holographic masturbatorium is. If memory serves the Enterprise eventually has 2 seperate suites on the holodeck, which they call Holodeck 1 and Holodeck 2.

[citation needed]

Voyager's Doctor and the holo-emitter are next-level Star Trek Hologram bullshit science. It's not even a hologram at that point, it's uh, "instanced matter" or something.

Watch the fucking series you filthy casual and you'll have the source.

The holodeck is on deck 6. The sickbay is on deck 5.

>Why the fuck can't Data experience emotions but Moriarty can?
The sum is more than the parts. If they are identical, it proves social intelligence is a spontaneous event arising from conditions.

Reminder that Data is only pretending to be friendly. He feels nothing and his emotion chip is merely crude imitation.

yes

>instanced matter
That's really good. Do something with that

if i got a full body trill spots tattoo would /trek/ support my transition

/holodeck/i

It's not bullshit, and they are holograms. Several episodes mention "matter synthesis" which is not what they use, because matter synthesis is always said to be more advanced than hologram technology.

Just be sure to use some Purell after using the holosuites.

The beauty of ST episodes is it's easy to write one as long as you stay within some general guidelines. If I could tackle Doctor canon I would insist the emitter is actually a replicator or some sort of field that arranges matter into something that looks like, but is not, a physical doctor. I mean, if you tried to cut this doctor open it wouldn't do anything, you'd just be carving into a statue.

Base it on some Delta Quadrant alien tech and now we have a stand-alone Voyager plot device.

im pretty sure you could fuck kids in his holosuites if you wanted to, he didnt give a fuck. he tried to get some guy an image of kira so he could rape her.

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*blocks your path*

Bajor is like 7 weeks away from Earth. I'd say that counts as deep space.

Was it a good idea to abandon this so they could give the actor a more central role? It's a fascinating handicap but limits his screen time.

Voyager is simplistic but not THAT simplistic. I mean yea, towards the end, sure (just add triaxilating to any fucking tech that has a frequency or any kind of waveform to make it super advanced and you're done), but the hologram technology is fairly consistent through the entire series. We've even seen Tuvok shooting the holoemitters to incapacitate the doctor.

Could you fuck Ferengi kids?

What would it look like from outside the door looking into his sleeve? Is he hollow, or would it be a blunt gray stump?

yes. Nog is probably already programmed in there desu

Yeah, after season 2 they realized he was carrying the show and they needed to get him out of sickbay, so they gave him a two-parter where they get the mobile emitter.

anyone know how much a tattoo like this would cost

I don't think you have to tell him the specifics of your program. Just say you want a certain program run, tell him it's very private, slip him some extra latinum, and you're good to go. It's amoral and twisted, but Ferengi society is built on making money off of amoral and twisted things.

It would look like a force field when it's touched.

>doing things to computer programs is amoral and twisted

It's amoral and twisted to jack off to children even if they aren't actually in your presence.