What's the verdict, Sup Forums?

What's the verdict, Sup Forums?

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it's shit because it's NOT MUH

I've seen political speeches that advance faster than it.

Just finished it. I thought it started out slow, but went in some interesting directions and overall was pretty great. Also there wasn't enough actual Iron Fisting.

I really liked the Ward show. It just had all those mediocre wraparound segments.

It needs more Iron fister-ing.

First half is corporate drama shit that runs slow, second half is kung fu clan politics with underdeveloped fight scenes. Overall I'd give it a 5/10, kinda disappointing but not entirely shit as all the SJWs say it is because Danny isn't Asian.

Its shit because its dull, slow-moving without aim, has inconsistent characters, rehashes much of what Daredevil did (i.e. The Hand) but in a more mediocre way, and never reaches the potential that the Iron Fist character or story has.

Should have been a big budget movie exploring the mystical side of the MCU, but instead we get a 13 episode Netflix series that offers nothing new, exciting, or engaging.

Pretty average. Not as terrible as others make it out to be, but not good either. Scowly Danny comes off petulant and baby-like in Jones's hands. No dragon sucks. Ward is a well acted redemption tale. Claire is great as ever. Love interest girl is OK. Her being a hand member was a bit hamfisted, though. The fight choreography isn't great. Watch the first fight scene in the first episode of daredevil and you'll see a large difference in quality. The final boss, while acted well(great voice) does not seem like a threat to Danny. I feel it's a 6/10. The only marvel netflix show that was worse was JJ, but Luke cage and daredevil were both better.

Haven't watched it yet. does he actually wear the costume?

Sjws hate it so its the best netflix series

Not at all.

no

It's fine I guess.

Found it boring, dropped on the first episode.

I'm gonna go ahead and say that this basically just establishes Rand as Iron Fist and sets up what I presume to be the main plotline of the Defenders.

it is established that it exists, but he's not even done with his training yet.

they probably wanted to save finishing his hero arc in The Defenders, instead of resolving it in Iron Fist S1. Which is smart, since defenders would need to have a character that goes on an arc instead of keeping all 4 as static.

Slow burn, but surprisingly the show doesnt really dip in quality second half like the others. Biggest crime is not delving deep enough into the mystical side of Iron Fist and the fight choreography leaves much to be desired. Also whatever asshole decided not to give Danny his costume should be shot. You have Matt running around in Daredevil wear and you can slap a dull yellow mask on Danny? Fuck you. Frankly the should just forget about doing a second season of Luke Cage or Iron Fist and just combine the two shows into Heroes for Hire

Could of been the best but has terrible action and little of it. Should of been called "New York Corporate".

I don't get the relationships. How is Danny related to Joy and Ward?

Pretty damn boring desu. Just finished it and was dissapointing. Not as bad as the reviews. If you have time to kill and you enjoy the mcu Netflix shows then go for it.

I hated who they cast as iron fist though. He came off very whiny. The fight choreography was eh which is a damn shame

The entire asylum part was not needed, could have resolved in like 15 minutes and been used as flash backs to Ku'n Lun

Why it wasn't is beyond me. Ward and Harold hold the show up. Gao is just terribly portrayed for some reason now. Too much dialogue, like way too much. It's dumb as fuck that they didn't have him fighting goons on the street when he was homeless.

Idk, I just felt they do not give a single shit about IF.

Only on ep 8 though so I hope it gets better

It's alright. Honestly I liked it more than Luke Cage, if only just.

Jesus Christ pay attention. Joy and Ward are children to Harold who was a partner to Dannys father

Critics no longer should be taken seriously, if they ever did.

Though lacking the structure of something like DD SE1, or Luke Cage, it makes up for it plenty by charm, character moments, decent fight scenes, no cookie-cutter villian who later dies and gets replaced some rando, stupid but easy to follow story, amongst other things.

When I watched it, I had no need to browse around during boring talky-talky times and paid attention instead. While the first 3 eps were pretty 'meh', it just kept getting better. Overall I'd say it was better than JJ, and slightly better than LC.

Joy and Ward are siblings who were family friends of Danny. Their fathers, both Mr Rand and Harold Meachum, started the company. Though I got to say Joy's character was all over the fucking place, or was that just me?
The thing that really annoyed me about the asylum bit was they pretty much killed any chance of Moon Knight ever doing that bit, assuming he ever gets a show. But then again we have Claire popping up in every damn show so whatever

>Liberals get mad at actor cus he's not asian
>Actor gets mad at conservatives and blames Trump for everything even though its liberals who hate him

He's a faggot and I'm not watching this shit

what the point of this treads at this point? did you fucker miss the 4 treads of people talking about how they actualy liked the show?

Luke Cage had goo music and a decent villain, Daredevil had an amazing villain and Punisher, Jessica Jones had an ok villain, and this one... eh.

I'm 7 episodes in. The writing can be laughably bad, same with the fight choreography. Danny's acting is pretty rough as well.

But I watched The Flash for ages, and honestly this is about the same quality as The Flash.

I'll probably keep watching it, but it's not good enough to recommend.

I'm enjoying it so far. Way less meandering than Jessica Jones. I think most of the bad press is just virtue signalling by buttmad SJWs who still can't over the whiteness innate to Danny Rand's character.

You're not the only one. I honestly don't know if Joys character is smart or dumb because I honestly don't know if Marvel is going to play her as a Sociopathic heel or not.

Honestly Moon Knight is too good for Netflix, that said so is Daredevil and Iron Fist. Daredevil was amazing and just not mediocre though.

It could have been resolved if Danny wasn't a complete idiot.

He starts spouting off shit that makes him sound crazy, so they treat him like he's crazy, then when the doctor starts to believe he's sane, Danny goes full nutbar and talks about how he came from a different dimension. Keep your damn mouth shut about your mystical monk realm, dummy.

Also that whole thing where Harold checked to see if Danny was telling the truth about K'un-Lun. He's doubting whether it's really Danny or not, so he sees if Danny's backstory checks out, and when he finds out that no-- none of it checks out, there's no record of any of the stuff Danny talks about-- that's when he decides that Danny's definitely real. What the flying fuck.

>I CAN CONTROL MY EMOTIONS
>3 minutes later he's about to kill a guy

ok

Considerin DD is one of the best characters of all time, with some fucking amazing villains; KP and BE being the header heels. Also the fact that the Punisher is also one of the greatest characters of all time. Daredevil could never have failed. The only thing that will make it amazing is if Karen is murdered on the show.

What confused me about Joy was her moral compass spinning like crazy. One minute shes supposed to be the old friend who wants to do the right thing, next shes this fucking cunt stealing organs and telling Danny to go fuck himself

This

I don't like that the show made him seem like he had PTSD from his time training there. It made my autism flare up. I still do like it the show though. I just can't help but see the obvious letdowns

I thought it was fine until the last episode which felt like it should have been somewhere in the middle. I guess Harold just didn't have the oomph as a villain to close the series out on. And the on the run from the dea bit should have been more than a single episode.

Also, kinda mad that pure and beautiful Joy is just going to be lol villain now.

It needed to be more like Drive and less like the West Wing

...

This

They should have upped the neon, made the cars slick, and made the rain heavier with synth wave all up in that bitch

Miles better than Luke Cage, all the bad reviews are just boiled down to WHITEY because media and twitter are assblasted Danny Rand isn't a gook because for some reason only chinks and gooks can do kungfu

And one more thing!
Why was there no Turk?

>its dull, slow-moving without aim, has inconsistent characters
Aren't all cape TV shows this way? Haven't they been this way for a long time? What makes this one different?

*chinks and goods are the only ones allowed to do kung fu

like other user said it's on par with The Flash on overrall quality

No, Daredevil was not. The others were though.

It's biggest problem is that it's an 8 episode plot in a 13 episode season.

Tumblr hates it, and it seems Sup Forums is mostly saying it's mediocre.

I would say that whenever Sup Forums and tumblr are in agreement that's something's bad, it's pretty bad.

As a casual I always thought the chaste and stick were the enemy of the hand. Are Danny and the monks in k'un-lun the chaste or just some other guys who hate the hand? I always thought daredevil and iron fist got their kung fu stuff from the same place and would know each other.

Tumblr and SJWs hate it therefore I love it

There are a number of groups against the Hand. The monks are defensive. That is why they kept asking why he wasn't guarding the pass.

"At least it's not Dexter-tier"/10

Mega or torrent anyone?

I like it. The dialogue isn't great and the action is ok, it's hardly as good as Daredevil but it still is pretty enjoyable.

faggot

It had the same dull tone through the show, it literally is not much above a CW show. Fight choreography was awful, they should have had IP Man choreographers or something. Danny was too childishly written at times. Harold and Ward gave strong performances, although the lead up to Ward killing him was too obvious. Joy's arc and ending was awful. The Hand was too unbelievable at some points under Bakuto and not Madam Gau.

I enjoyed Luke Cage over this even after Cottonmouth died.

Just finished the series a few minutes ago. Overall, it was... okay. Like people have been saying, it's not terrible, but it's not great. It's definitely the weakest of the Marvel Netflix offerings so far, but that's still a decent watch for a comics fan.

Pros:
-Colleen Wing probably got more solid development here than she has for the last quarter century in comics.
-The development of Hand factions and recruiting was nice - it's engaging to see where the ninja fodder comes from. It's essentially gang recruiting blown up large.
-Ward and Joy had nice contrasting arcs from good to bad, though Joy's fell a little flat at the end (and Arrow has taken the 'why did you lie to protect me?!' trope and beaten it like a rented mule, seeing it here wasn't bringing anything new to the table).
-Davos was a stronger character than I was expecting. (There's gonna be a LOT of slash about Davos/Danny. They shot past 'bromance' into full-on 'spurned gay lover'.)

Cons:
-There wasn't a powerful connecting theme for this series. Daredevil had the limits of the law, JJ had PTSD, rape trauma, and feminism, Luke Cage had Harlem, black history and black culture. Iron Fist had... vague stabs at "corporations bad" and overcoming daddy issues.
-"This seems like a series about what happens when you give a really stupid white kid kung-fu powers." Danny was sweet, but a good majority of his problems were the direct result of being too dumb to notice simple things like "That guy is a monster" or "My former friends don't actually like me" or "Bad guys cheat."
-The fight scenes were WEAK compared to previous offerings. This wasn't 'network TV fight scenes' bad, but it came close a few times. Not good for a kung-fu series.
-The corporate drama was weakly done. I don't think it was out of place, but 'outsider wants evil business to do better' is massively cliche. And, most of Danny's moves would've been at least seriously considered by PR people in the real world.

Jessica Henwick is cute!

Man, bad writing and bad press can kill anything.

The characters were all unlikable.

>Danny
He was a complete moron, and not even in an endearing 'fish out of water' way. Watching him act like a witless retard was just frustrating.
He had a temper tantrum twice an episode, which I think was supposed to make him seem deep and conflicted, but it actually just made him annoying and whiny.

>Joy
Somehow, she was even more unlikable than Danny.
Just because she "feels bad" about fucking over dying kids with cancer doesn't make her a good person, it just makes her an unlikable hypocrite. Everybody treats Joy like she's the innocent moral-center of the show, but she's actually just a spineless piece of shit.

>Generic tough Asian Girl
She has the personality of a tough Asian girl. Was I supposed to give a shit about her cage fighting? Was that suppose to make me care about her?
It's like she exist only because the show needed a strong female for Danny to fuck. And when I say "strong," I mean "literally strong." There's nothing remotely interesting in her character.

>Harold
He never felt like a threat throughout the entire show. His betrayal was a dull inevitability; it felt like the show was doing it out of obligation, as though they were ticking "betrayal" off a checklist.

>The monk friend
An obvious set-up for season 2 from the moment he was introduced. Like Danny, he also annoying overly emotional.
On top of that, he lacked chemistry with Danny. The show had to tell us about the good times they had in the past, because we saw no evidence of their friendship on-screen.

>Bakudo
He never once felt threatening. He didn't have a clear goal. He felt like filler.
Hell, the entire season felt like filler.

>Ward
Another piece of shit, but unlike Joy he wasn't a hypocrite. Ward was the only character I grew to care about in the show, because was the only one that might not have had plot armor. He was the only character that ever felt vulnerable and in over his head.

I don't get Joy either she was a fucking Rollercoaster

Best netflix show outside of DD s1

It still had problems though (biggest one being fucking claire temple)

I liked it, the two things that bug me is that claire over saturation and the hand seemed much less threatening. I would have loved for the final scene with bakuto to end with a wounded him be saved by like 37 hand ninjas from daredevil.

Ward is best character.

It's ok. Better than Luke Cage and Jessica, worse than DD seasons 1-2.

He was the one guy that should've started off with his costume.

"After Danny Rand practices his healing fist on Matthew Murdock, the Devil of Hell's Kitchen can see again - just in time to watch his life fall apart. Karen Page's guilt over her past and the darkness infecting her former friends manifests in the twisted persona of Typhoid Mary. Meanwhile, a deeply in debt Foggy Nelson turns to the Hand's confiscated resurrection materials to revive Leland Owlsley and gain access to his accounts. Can a not-blind Matt stop a 98-pound reporter and a mouse-eating accountant? Find out on Daredevil season 3!"

Danny's story got lost in the shuffle between the House of Wards and Stepford Samurais subplots, but he was endearingly reckless enough to latch himself onto those narratives with little trouble.

Fight strikes need to be faster.

I liked it more than Luke Cage, who I prefer more in the comics.

I prefer Daredevil Season 1, and the Punisher portions of S2. I can't compare it to Jessica Jones, because that was something a little different. More a supernatural drama/detective show set in the MCU.

Overall, I really enjoyed it.

Wait did people actually like Luke Cage?
I thought it was pretty dull aside from some scenes with Cottonmouth
Cage was the most boring hero I have ever seen

Shang-Chi should have been Netflix, Iron Fist for theaters.

God damn this cursed iron fist
When I lose control

Yeah, Danny was a moron and the rage/flashbacks could have been handled better. Joy wasn't supposed to be the 'innocent moral center', though. Colleen wasn't bad - she probably tied closest into the show's themes about growing up.

Harold, to me, felt like the obvious threat, which was a problem in the other direction. Bakudo, yeah, he was kind of light in the villain department. He got hamstrung by the "Oh, no, I'm the GOOD Hand" to turn around effectively.

Davos had TOO MUCH chemistry with Danny. They even commented on it during the last fight - "This isn't about me leaving Kun-L'un, this is about me leaving you."

This. That episode was such a waste of time. The pacing was bad.

Asylum was gr8 tho

Despite the dumb intent (muh AA representation) I sorta like this design

Rewatching through Daredevil season one, god fucking damn does it really put a light on how bad Iron Fist is. Flat lighting, dull music, terrible fights with jumpcuts everywhere.

I think they should have just had the show set in K'un L'un. This is an origin story that actually would have been entertaining and give the audience more understanding of the mythos. My problem with the way they handled it in the show, was it was a lot of telling us instead of showing us. Here's how I would have done it.

>We get introduced to Danny as a kid with his father being killed by Meachum and mother dying, and of course being rescued at the gate. We witness him go through his training from a young boy always being an outsider, to a living weapon. Really build up his relationship and rivalry with Davos, who would be a main antagonist.

>Throughout the series, we see that Danny's main motivation is to get revenge like in his comic origin. There's some kind of Hand infiltration within K'un L'un as the overarching plot (to tie it to The Defenders), with Davos being the one who let them in at some point, to get power from Gao (who should actually be revealed to be The Crane Mother, letting Davos become the Steel Serpent). The last few episodes, Danny finally goes through the trial of Shou-Lao and earns the Iron Fist. The final episode, he defeats The Hand infiltration and gets Davos imprisoned in K'un L'un . The final scene is him leaving through the gate, knowing this is last chance to get revenge on Meachum before he becomes too old. At this point, he arrives in NY just in time for The Defenders to start where he needs to deal with The Hand once more.

>Then in the second season, that could be dedicated to his revenge on Meachum, which halfway through, he realizes it's not worth it (just like in his origin) and tries to get his company back. Throughout the season, we see scenes in K'un L'un of Davos scheming his way out of prison and somehow learned of another way in and out K'un L'un from Madame Gao. Halfway through, he escapes and gets to NY, to try and kill Danny.

No offense, but I don't agree.

At least we understood what Cage was fighting for so his scenes had real stakes. In Iron Fist we don't know why he's there or what the fuck is going so late into the show that none of the fighting scenes have any stakes. It lacks identity as a show and it is a real chore to get through.

I would have killed for a Shaw Bros style K'un-Lun training movie.

>The final boss, while acted well(great voice) does not seem like a threat to Danny.
This. They blew their load with The Hand confrontation. Fighting against some gunmen shouldn't be the final battle, that's supposed to be a warm up for the final battle.

No.

It's because it has ass slow kung fu

>terrible fights with jumpcuts everywhere.
In a perfect world we'd have Jackie Chan or Sammo Hung being the director of Iron Fist.

> In Iron Fist we don't know why he's there or what the fuck is going so late into the show that none of the fighting scenes have any stakes

Because the show is barely about him. It really felt like Scott Buck had an idea for a House of Cards: Business Edition show about the Meachum family, pitched it to Netflix, got rejected, and then when he got the IF job decided he would cram it into his new project regardless of context.

The amount of time spent with Ward and Joy is obscene, it'd be like if half of Luke Cage was spent watching Pops running the barbershop.

>Entire fucking season
>Danny has no character growth
>Powerlevel remains shitty, woefully shitty
>Stands around complaining about The Hand and how MUH PARENTS ARE DEAD
>The "big bad" is.. The Hand. Again. We learn nothing new about them and nothing gets resolved.
This was a complete joke. Every aspect aside from maybe Ward was terrible. How did this happen? Even Luke Cage's latter half wasn't as bad as this shit.

56 cuts.

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>it'd be like if half of Luke Cage was spent watching Pops running the barbershop.
Would still be better than Iron Fist, Pops was interesting.

Haven't finished watching yet, but Ward is the only character worth giving a shit about.

>There's nothing remotely interesting in her character.
But user, she should've been the protagonist instead of Danny!
While I agree IF is shit, this is the reason why reviewers are retarded. God, she was boring

That fucking scene nearly made me drop the show.

>danny has no character growth

confirmed for not finishing the show

>Episodes 1-12
>Wah my parents are dead I'm so mad, I'm so angry at the hand and stuff
>Episode 13, the last five minutes
>Those lights look like the dragons eyes, I don't need to kill you now I guess.
Fuck right off.

no you fuck off you retard, there was growth revealed pretty obviously throughout the entire show, his motivations were just kept a mystery

Started out slow got better midway but by the last 4 episodes it just bored the shit out of me.

All the fight scenes really suck.

Hated fucking nobody wears a god dam costume not even the hand wear proper uniforms.

>Iron Fist had... vague stabs at "corporations bad" and overcoming daddy issues.

Rather than daddy issues just a general "stepping out from the shadow of your mentors" kind of thing but it was all around poorly executed.

Which is a tragedy, the dynamic between Danny and Lei-Kung in the comics is fucking brilliant and should have been more of a focus if that's something that they wanted to be a theme in the show for. Paralleling it with Ward and Harold, who DID have a good dynamic in the show, it would have probably been great stuff. But since we barely got to touch K'un-L'un because... reasons? We just got stuck with Danny talking to himself like a fucking psycho.

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>Every review I look for on this show involve the words white-washing, white-savior, or mansplaining.

It's pretty mediocre. I was hoping for some of the best martial-arts action of the MCU in this series but Daredevil outdoes it in every way. None of the fights are particularly interesting or stand out from each other much. The choreography is very slow as well and it's abundantly clear that the actors don't have any real background in martial arts and just took like a 2 or 4 week training course prior to filming. It's oddly disappointing when a 1v1 fight happens involving a main character because it's always against someone with actual martial arts experience and you know that the main character is going to win despite being so much slower and less physically capable

The character drama is also pretty mediocre, but it just doesn't bother me the way the action does.

>The character drama is also pretty mediocre

It reminds me of Arrow season 3 at points.

I think i might just be tired with seeing character drama in all these shows. I don't like boring interpersonal drama being the main point of the show. I really hope they start to back off that.

>>Every review I look for on this show involve the words white-washing, white-savior, or mansplaining.
>mansplaining
Link one.