So hasn't the last episode basically confirmed that any character development that Rick (and pretty much any character in the show) supposedly had is null since the writers only care about what's funny and improvise?
Kinda ruins the "impact" of pic related which was hailed by Redditors everywhere as the darkest thing they've ever seen on television, or even the act or Ricks humility at the end of season 2, since it was revealed that he had planned to get himself caught in the first place.
Also I find it weird that Rick constantly acknowledges that he's just a character in a television show but he still acts depressed as if he has real problems. You can't constantly break the fourth wall while also trying to have the audience relate to the character. It doesn't work.
Elijah Murphy
He only breaks the fourth character every first episode of a season it seems.
And yeah, I don't really like that Rick's character development resets itself, or how most of the serious plots in Rick and Morty reset themselves. We still don't know what is going on with Evil Morty because that was swept under the rug in Season 2.
Nathaniel Hall
This episode isn't canon.
Asher Gray
the writers probably realized that wrapping up character's problems wouldn't be good for the longevity of the series.
Nathaniel Gray
>He only breaks the fourth character
Which one is that?
Jeremiah Bell
what episode is this?
Andrew Wilson
Just get to the part where you blame the female writers so Sup Forums and /r9k/ can get here and ruin the thread, thanks.
Leo Foster
That's why I'm a little jaded about the series. S1 felt amazing but then I realized in S2 for them to keep the humor decent they would have to maintain the status quo indefinitely, which as you said dulls the effect of the character development.
That said, I think destroying the Galactic Government, the Council of Ricks, and kicking Jerry out of the house is enough change to keep this season fresh. However it was a lot in such a little amount of time. It makes for a nice hook but leads me to doubt there will be any meaningful events until the end of the season.
Jonathan Morris
im in the boat of waiting and seeing if they do anything with it, the writers seem to have a habit of setting things up, only to subvert it later on, and seem to make it a philosophy to try and defy expectation, even if they fall flat on their face.
Jose Torres
We have two roads
One >its not cannon, and its really just an april fools joke
Two >Rick is just fucking insane, hes ruled by the emotion hes in right then, whether it be saving Morty by the collars, or jumping the universe and going to another, hes just a smart man who is basically a god and does what he pleases.
Julian Hall
The one where he almost commits suicide cause his girlfriend broke up with him
Austin Allen
i am positive rick is just insane, he's been insane since day 1
Isaac Carter
>everyone misses the point
He is not the hero. He doesn't have a character arc. There is not end game for rick.
Henry Robinson
So basically what people are afraid of is this show going the way of Adventure Time where sometimes it looks like things matter then they don't and you were an idiot to think they might.
Connor White
Getting rid of all that "deep" development for Rick is helping the show. We don't need to go in the lore and plot heavy direction most cartoons are falling into nowadays.
Jackson Walker
I'm ok with that but the fans of the show seem hell bent on proving that there's a hidden meaning to it all.
Austin Morris
So he's as complex as Patrick the starfish?
Camden Lewis
It kind of just felt like Rick was joking about ruling the family to hide that he cares. Although he does genuinely dislike Jerry.
Luis Robinson
>hasn't the last episode basically confirmed no. it confirmed nothing. yeah, the council and the government are the ones holding the humor and development back
Jeremiah Turner
>Rick is above it all and hates everyone but himself but gave a shit about 9/11
I love the way they try to peddle the notion that Rick is some sort of XTREME REBEL and then immediately play it safe on a sensitive issue.
Pure reddit writing there.
Kevin Rogers
I like depth and consequences to happen in the shows I watch, even cartoons. As a child, I was constantly pissed off that the cartoons I watched would tease character development and progression of a character arc, only to have it be a one off episode deal.
FUCK THAT! Why watch something if there are no stakes or character growth.
Having said that, Rick and Morty is fucking awesome and you all need to quit bitching. Seriously, Sup Forums is starting to act like X-fags.
Leo Edwards
Exactly when did Rick become an "XTREME REBEL"? The 9/11 thing seems to be before that.
Matthew Reyes
I hope the council isn't completely wasted. Felt like they should have had the potential to be some of the only people who stood any sort of chance against Rick.
Mason Gomez
It's one of the reason's I don't really like the season so far.
It was a cheap copout.
Henry Edwards
His reaction to 9/11 was over the government using it as an excuse to strip away freedoms.
Evan Cruz
Why the hell would he even care what the earth government is up to?
Jack Edwards
Because Earth is basically his birth planet?
Henry Hughes
Not even his original earth.
Aaron Rivera
that's the leftwing "safe position" on 9/11, and that we need to start censoring "hate speech" to protect our civil liberties.
Kevin Flores
But it's still Earth, and he chooses the ones with very similar histories.
Isaiah Miller
I relate to him
Asher Myers
Any perceived plot, character development, or deeper meanings in any of the show are just pranks set up by the writers, so they can make a punchline later about how you actually believed they were serious about any of it.
Aiden Hernandez
Rick pantsed Morty and pushed him down a stairway, then proceeded to laugh at him along with some girls. Rick is crazy, user.
Remember Close Rick-counters? Rick is closer to the true neutral "super weird" Rick, coming out on the 'good' side, but he's still pretty close to being on the evil side.
Brody Cox
Am I the only one who watches this for the (somewhat)satirical sci-fi adventures? I think a pig part of why season 1 was better is because the less cohesive character arcs meant they could just do whatever and not worry about tying it off in a perfect bow.
That said I don't think any impact is lost by way of the new episode. In fact I think it only builds upon an already complex character trait of Rick, his emotional dichotomy between how he really feels and how he feels he must present himself and his feelings to others. If you think back too all of season 2 "deep" Rick moments, you'll notice it's always when he's alone or the others are unaware of him.
Samuel James
Apparently people think that's a good character.
Jonathan Miller
The thing about the sauce is a lie.
His original wife and Beth died because of some accident he feels responsible for, so he went and took the place of another Rick, but he wasn't emotionally numb enough yet to live with the family he watched die, so he abandoned them to tour the multiverse. He eventually came back, jaded beyond belief, to get his Morty and chill with the family.
Chase Johnson
>writers only care about what's funny and improvise Rick forgot how to improvise.
Jose Cox
>He doesn't have a character arc. There is not [an] end game for rick
Brody Stewart
Reminder that growth isn't necessary for characters to be complex.
Aiden Moore
>you can't alter memories >but you can alter details of a fake origin story >we never left the shoney's
Nathan Taylor
>He only breaks the fourth wall every first episode of a season it seems. And every last episode. And sometimes in the middle of seasons
Isaac Thomas
>taking the funny meme rant at the end of the episode seriously
Honestly, Rick has canonically been willing to give his life for Morty in the past and yet you buy the shit he said about not caring about Morty and Summer? Its a mask he wears.
I'm not sure why I have to explain it to you autists.
Colton Smith
Or Rick was lying about the Szechuan sauce and/or it was just a bit?
It's entirely possible Rick could have altered his real memory despite saying he couldn't
Jonathan Stewart
Congrats you understand human emotion.
Joshua Morgan
Can't we all just agree that Rick is bipolar or something?
Connor Sanders
It's more that the writers don't really seem to have a grasp on what they want to do with the series. S1 was pretty much golden, so they must've felt like they had to push it forward some more. It's what made S2 turn into an awkward mess of ""fun"" episodes like Get Shwifty or Interdimensional Cable 2 feel completely forced while character progressions was rushed in dumps like Bird Man talking to Beth, Tiny Rick, the Unity episode, and so on. They definitely have decent writing ability, as S1 was well balanced and they decently hid the fact that S2E02+E04 Rick was AU, but it seems like the show lacks direction, and the fact that scenes like the end of S2E03 get such hardcore dick sucking does not help that.
Henry Anderson
It was a joke about how "Everyone remembers where they were on 9/11". You guys are overthinking it.
Justin Phillips
He's not bipolar, just conflicted. Every character in the show is defined by their internal dichotomy, and most episodes are about pressuring them to choose one way or the other.
Isaac Johnson
Season 2 wasn't bad because it had character depth(season 1 had it too, actually). It was worse than season 1 because they clearly weren't trying to hard, and gave Jerry too many fucking episodes. He was a drag on every episode he was in other than Mortynight run.
Probably why they had Beth divorce him.
Ethan Morales
>since the writers only care about what's funny Is this a problem? It's supposed to be a wacky comedy. If you want non-stop development, romance, drama, plot-lines and shit, then you can go fuck yourself, because it's autismal faggots like you who keep ruining shows. Adventure Time is a prime example of a show that got ruined because of such faggotry.
Samuel Clark
>He seems to be manifesting some sort of butt >He can do that? >He IS the smartest man in the universe
The details of the story could have been altered enough to not be recognized as a memory, or Rick's brain is just that goddamn powerful.
Ryder Turner
>2011
what
Grayson Carter
>the writers don't really seem to have a grasp on what they want to do with the series. Evil Morty is the best example of this. It could've been something interesting, but instead he's not coming back.
Henry Morris
He didn't give a shit that people died, he gave a shit that the government would use that to ruin freedom. And besides, the whole bit is a joke on how everyone remembers what they were doing on 9/11
Tyler Hughes
>drama and continuity are added to the show >viewers get invested >viewers complain about show not committing to the drama and continuity it introduced >It's just a comedy guys! gawd! Why so serious?
Thomas Wilson
YEAH!! CHARAKTER GROWTH LE STINKS!!!!!
Tyler Jenkins
I agree, but there's an actual line he says in the background that's along the line of "they'll use this to strip away our freedoms." to subvert the idea that he actually cared about the people that died.
Nathaniel Hill
>Evil Morty needs to come back That's some shit opinion right there. Better to leave it as a twist ending rather than playing it out. Trying to do that with all the little shite from Season 1 is why Season 2 became forced as fuck.
Cooper Perry
Which is fine, as long as you go to it for what it is: absurd comedy
Aaron Turner
>add drama as a counterpoint to make the humor funnier >viewers project what they think the show is doing >bitch and moan when you don't take it down that proven hellhole
Owen Ramirez
It's the one thing that they should have brought back. Interdimensional Cable was magic that works once. Evil Morty is literally a hook for another episode.
Cooper Torres
>So hasn't the last episode basically confirmed that any character development that Rick (and pretty much any character in the show) supposedly had is null since the writers only care about what's funny and improvise? No. I mean, it confirmed whatever you want it to confirm, but no.
Mason Wood
Rick is like 60 years old. it would be bad writing for him to turn over a few leaf just because of a few life and death experiences when he already goes through so many life and death experiences that go his way completely
Ethan Sanchez
I'm not saying season 2 was bad only that season 1 was better. Im also not say there wasn't character depth in season, but that they played it a little more 'fast and loose' with the character depth.
But look at season 2, in the first episode Rick sacrifices himself to save Morty(even though he end up surviving) then in the last episode Rick (appears)to sacrifice himself for his whole family. That's a character arc, plain as day, and because of it the writers are locked into "how do we make Rick's choices and actions how and strengthen this arc so it has impact on the viewer?" Because of this season 2 lacked a certain emotional spontaneity that season 1 did have.
This is both, in my opinion, why season 1 was better than season 2 and something that they are trying to recapture in season 3.
Kayden Long
it's photoshopped
look at the pixels around the word sauce, look at the obvious difference in image quality between the dragon and the rest of the label.
Joseph Morris
Have any anons tried that Mulan sauce?
Jacob Thompson
>which was hailed by Redditors everywhere as the darkest thing they've ever seen on television Niggers need to go watch any episode of Moral Oral.
Daniel Flores
Rick is the Rickest Rick out there. He doesn't learn lessons, because he already knows all about them and just in general doesn't give a shit
Brody Parker
Looks like it has worked so far
William Sanders
>Also I find it weird that Rick constantly acknowledges that he's just a character in a television show but he still acts depressed as if he has real problems. You can't constantly break the fourth wall while also trying to have the audience relate to the character
The that I take it is that by "going with the interdimwnsional cable television" Rick knows that somewhere his life is a TV show, so he often likes to act like he has viewers.
Jonathan Torres
you all are a bunch of faggots. I'm going to go watch Rick and Morty.
Asher Anderson
go watch the new episode over and over and over again
Camden Cruz
>mfw ive been doing this for over a decade now
Connor Richardson
"your parents are idiots morty" The redditer chuckles >"Mmmmmm get Schwifty" The redditer begins all out belly laughing, spewing Dorito crumbs >"Everyone not like me is an idiot" The redditer begins smashing his hand in the keyboard while laughing >"God's not real morty" the redditers heart can no longer take the strenuous laughter and gives out
Aaron Gomez
Why does everyone think that Rick hasn't developed because of that end speech? We know by now to pay attention to his actions and not his words. He cares about the family, likes going on adventures with Morty, and resents Jerry for betraying him. How's that any different from typical Rick?
Brody Reed
That and quality drops while the show grows stale until the find their footing again
Michael Walker
I just want to see a nudity scene with Summer this season
Jayden Cook
>the writers don't really seem to have a grasp on what they want to do with the series The writers and directors change rapidly. If the creators weren't voice actors too, they'd probably be lost in it.
Hudson Campbell
Since this is a R&M thread this is semi relevant, who here has invented their own personal Rick?
Luke Hill
>Rick is the Rickest Rick What exactly makes him more of a Rick than the Rick one dimension over whose only difference is scratching his balls with his left hand once?
Xavier Thompson
Nah, the first two seasons were really light and optimistic overall.
Season 3 is dark as fuck though, holy shit "Alone" was pushing it.
David Rodriguez
Don't worry user, I laugh at you.
Chase Hernandez
Impossible, not even on Bluray releases would they risk that. Summer is underaged, even if she's not "real".
Julian Russell
There clearly aren't infinite universes within the premise of this show
Connor Evans
>What exactly makes him more of a Rick than the Rick one dimension over whose only difference is scratching his balls with his left hand once? There isn't one of those. Most Ricks are very similar, and the few outliers are VERY different.
The council of Ricks is mostly all the same sort of Rick.
The doofus Rick is a unique Rick, because he's ugly and nice. Likewise, our Rick is unique because he's nicer than average and cares about his family. Most Ricks don't do that, there isn't many similar versions of Rick.
Cameron Perry
So is Morty but they always show the boy characters nude and they had them get stripped down in the simulation episode.
and that's BOOOOOORING.
Andrew Miller
Rick and Morty reminds me of the slipshod Adult Swim shows I used to enjoy (Frisky Dingo, Squidbillies, etc). And even though it grew up and got a big budget it knows it's basically trash
James Mitchell
I think R&M has infinite universes, just not infinite in every direction.
Basically, there are an infinite number of possibilities between 1 and 2, but 3 will never be one of them. You can have 1.4, or 1.45, or 1.454, and it goes on forever, but you can't get a 3 even with the infinite possibilities between 1 and 2.
Mason Rodriguez
There's a difference between boys and girls, first of all.
And have we actually seen him nude, or are you talking some barbie doll anatomy shit?
Lucas Ramirez
Oddly convenient that one of the finite possibilities is a universe where everything was the same until Rick Cronenberg'd everyone and fixed it and then died.
Justin Ortiz
If that were the case, Rick wouldn't have to tell Morty that they can only replace a dead pair so many times. There would be an infinite number of dead pairs.
Juan Reyes
Yep, that's why he says they can only do it a couple of times. There are a very large number of universes, clearly, but not infinite
Jaxson Cooper
Rick refers to it as "an infinite number of realities", yet somehow only a couple dozen have that possibility.
Brayden Perez
Yeah, one of those two statements is a lie, it just doesn't work otherwise
Bentley Mitchell
It was in 2001
Jayden Smith
It's not if we see the bits you dummy
It's just the prospect of the matter also that Lizzie the Lizard show did it so why the fuck not
Jaxon Edwards
yeah but other than that name one time he did it
Joshua Baker
Exactly. It also doesn't add up with the "central finite curve", not that it's actually explained.
Jayden Howard
BLIPS AND CHIIIIIITZ!!!
Gavin Parker
The way I see it, the episode was making fun of fags like you who take the show way too seriously.